Jimmy Johnson on NFL Network right now, Head coach commanders

[Randy White]

I don't recall Jimmie's Miami Dolphins' drafts being all that special. The draft being a roll of the dice, I think Jimmie used the shotgun approach to get more chances to hit. Having all that recruiting knowledge probably served him ingood stead for four years as well.

He called it " fish net ".

Accumulate as many draft picks as possible ( when you're rebuilding ), bring in as much talent as possible to camp, and may the best win out.

Sounds good in theory, but it doesn't always work out in reality.

 

[jimmy40]

yup he picked Emmitt...oh wait, no he didn't...he tried to get (Ron?) Francis instead...and he picked Troy...oh wait...that was a no brainer....and he picked Michael...oh wait...no he didn't...

he picked Steve Walsh....oh wait he had no talent....98% you say?

hmm...never mind...

Yeah, Jimmy sucked, wish he'd never been here.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

Jimmy was undoubtedly a good coach but he had phenomenal talent.

Everything else about him was vastly overrated.

When you have Troy, Mike and Emmitt on offense, plus all that talent on defense well Barry Switzer won a SB with it.

You do know Jimmy put nearly all of that talent together don't you. What have the Cowboys been without him now in the last 15 years?

Overrated?

Dude, lay down the bong!

 

[Randy White]

You do know Jimmy put nearly all of that talent together don't you. What have the Cowboys been without him now in the last 15 years?

Overrated?

Dude, lay down the bong!

Really ? So how come he couldn't " put all that talent together " anywhere else ?

At the very least, he should have best Don Shula's record in his ( Shula's ) last 5 years with all that " jenius " of his and practically begging for Shula's job.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

yup he picked Emmitt...oh wait, no he didn't...he tried to get (Ron?) Francis instead...and he picked Troy...oh wait...that was a no brainer....and he picked Michael...oh wait...no he didn't...

he picked Steve Walsh....oh wait he had no talent....98% you say?

hmm...never mind...

I don't really get how someone who is supposedly a Cowboys fan and is a member of a Cowboys chat room can downplay Jimmy's building of the 90s dynasty as if he were some chump who got lucky with every roster change!

If he did I wish he would slapped Jerry some skin as he went out the door and let that luck get on him but obviously he didn't! If Jimmy had never been here this franchise would be stuck on 2 superbowls right now, how do I know that, well look at the last 13 years!

You guys are unreal!

 

[Royal Laegotti]

Really ? So how come he couldn't " put all that talent together " anywhere else ?

At the very least, he should have best Don Shula's record in his ( Shula's ) last 5 years with all that " jenius " of his and practically begging for Shula's job.

Do you really think I care about his results with the Dolphins? What he did for the Cowboys is enough for me to think he's a HoFer!

You guys sure are hard on a guy who built this team out of scrap only to win back to back superbowls, seem pretty ungrateful to me!

 

[Randy White]

Do you really think I care about his results with the Dolphins? What he did for the Cowboys is enough for me to think he's a HoFer!

You guys sure are hard on a guy who built this team out of scrap only to win back to back superbowls, seem pretty ungrateful to me!

That's the problem.

Jimmah Jenius was ONE of the main reasons why the Cowboys won the Superbowl. You want to say one of the three or four? Ok. Could it have happened without him ? Doubtful, but NOT because of what you think, ie: talent evaluation, but because of his coaching style.

And even that was just ONE component of the whole picture, which is something you people seem to miss.

There is no " he built ", or " he won ", anything. Take a look at the 1992 NFC Championship game that the NFL Network has replayed 100 times. Jimmah Jenius almost blew it by going on 4th and 1 instead of kicking the FG that would have put the Cowboys up by 14 points. If it wasn't for Alvin Harper's acrobatic catch over Eric Davis' head ( on an earlier drive ), who knows what the Cowboys would have done on a key drive of the game when they lost all momentum.

Had Jimmy Jenius drafted James Francis instead of Emmitt Smith, who knows where the Cowboys would have been. Had Jerrah Jones not put his foot down and told the " Jenius " in no uncertain term that: " Troy Aikman WILL NOT be traded no matter what ", who knows where the Cowboys would have ended up..

Alot of things that most people don't see, don't know, but happened that helped in that run. It wasn't a " he " anything..

 

[BAT]

Jimmy was undoubtedly a good coach but he had phenomenal talent.

Everything else about him was vastly overrated.

When you have Troy, Mike and Emmitt on offense, plus all that talent on defense well Barry Switzer won a SB with it.

Further what coach came out of Jimmy's lineage that could actually be a decent head coach? The one thing you have to give BP was that while he had issues of his own he spotted coaching talent and the system he uses works well for many Head guys.

Guys like Tony Dungy are hardly these dictorial demi-gods and they win plenty.

End of the day it is about talent. People catch up to schemes and players get immune to the hard grind of a tough coach. Talent is always talent provided it is healthy and on the field.

Thanks for the laugh. You have to be joking, right? Jimmy's THREE SB wins (Barry served as his proxy for the last one, see I can joke too) is downgraded b/c he accumulated talent AND did not have a fat (another funny) coaching tree???I seem to recall Parcells having a few HOFers on his roster, why isn't he deflated (I kill myself) for that?


Sorry, I don't grade greatness by how many good coaches you mentored, greatness is earned by CHAMPIONSHIPS. Parcells, Dungy and anyone else you put up are not looking down at Jimmy. They are his peers, at the very least.


And the Tuna can go to hell for all I care, he did nothing to shine the Star during his time here. You either win a Lombardi or you SUCKED. Parcells won jack w/the Cowboys. That is JACK, not Jap.

 

[BHendri5]

I wish you jimmy lovers let it go. He wanted walsh, he wanted Francis, and the Blair thomas when they were off the board he settled for Emmitt.

Then he did not want to start Emmitt. Emmitt thru his play, made them have to start him.

With out his coaching staff, jimmy did nothing.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

That's the problem.

Jimmah Jenius was ONE of the main reasons why the Cowboys won the Superbowl. You want to say one of the three or four? Ok. Could it have happened without him ? Doubtful, but NOT because of what you think, ie: talent evaluation, but because of his coaching style.

And even that was just ONE component of the whole picture, which is something you people seem to miss.

There is no " he built ", or " he won ", anything. Take a look at the 1992 NFC Championship game that the NFL Network has replayed 100 times. Jimmah Jenius almost blew it by going on 4th and 1 instead of kicking the FG that would have put the Cowboys up by 14 points. If it wasn't for Alvin Harper's acrobatic catch over Eric Davis' head ( on an earlier drive ), who knows what the Cowboys would have done on a key drive of the game when they lost all momentum.

Had Jimmy Jenius drafted James Francis instead of Emmitt Smith, who knows where the Cowboys would have been. Had Jerrah Jones not put his foot down and told the " Jenius " in no uncertain term that: " Troy Aikman WILL NOT be traded no matter what ", who knows where the Cowboys would have ended up..

Alot of things that most people don't see, don't know, but happened that helped in that run. It wasn't a " he " anything..

...YAWN...

You contradict yourself!

Just get over it man, he built your favorite team up at one time and 3 superbowl wins were the fruit. You can't go back and change it now!

BTW show me another great coach who hasn't made a mistake and overcame it!

 

[Randy White]

] ...YAWN...

You contradict yourself!

How so ?

Just get over it man, he built your favorite team up at one time and 3 superbowl wins were the fruit. You can't go back and change it now!

Ok. It would be reasonable to ASSume, like you are ASSuming, that if Jimmah Jenius built the Cowboys, he should have done, at the very least, a similar job elsewhere, correct ?

Why didn't he ?

 

[Royal Laegotti]

Ok. It would be reasonable to ASSume, like you are ASSuming, that if Jimmah Jenius built the Cowboys, he should have done, at the very least, a similar job elsewhere, correct ?

Why didn't he ?

I look at it more from a Cowboys perspective and that is: How's the last 13 years been for ya? For me as a fan they've SUCKED and been the worst era in Cowboys history and without a single playoff win! Top that!

 

[Royal Laegotti]

You said that they would've had the success they had without Jimmy, but then you said they won the '92 NFC title game inspite of him, well they wouldn't have got there without him right!

Also on the Harper slant did you catch on what Jimmy told Norv on one of the 100 showings of that game. Norv asked Jimmy what he wanted him to call, Jimmy said get a 1st down. I think he got alittle more than he bargained for don't you?

Oh and Jimmy drafted Harper, the guy who made the two biggest catches in that game!

 

[dbair1967]

A thread like this reiterates why I have "I see stupid people" in my avatar section.

Jimmy did an amazing job here. He was not only a great evaluator of talent, he was a supreme motivator and a great game day coach. So what if he lucked into a few players? Somebody still had to coach them.

If he and Jones would have been able to work through their issues, we'd have won another 2-3 super bowls. I have no doubt in my mind about it.

 

[xpistofer]

I don't really get how someone who is supposedly a Cowboys fan and is a member of a Cowboys chat room can downplay Jimmy's building of the 90s dynasty as if he were some chump who got lucky with every roster change!

If he did I wish he would slapped Jerry some skin as he went out the door and let that luck get on him but obviously he didn't! If Jimmy had never been here this franchise would be stuck on 2 superbowls right now, how do I know that, well look at the last 13 years!

You guys are unreal!

if you had read the threads I had posted you would have read the words "I am very thankful for Jimmy" and "he played a large part in building" the teams..

you extremists are unreal - if anyone says Jimmy isn't God you assume they must think he's the devil.

by the way, I listed by name and position the starters who were already on the roster when Jimmy took over as coach, and I listed his involvement in Troy, Michael, and Emmitt being on the team. Basically Jimmy had little to no involvement in adding half of the starting roster - historical fact.

Jimmy's true greatness was evident by his ability to build depth. Talent +depth won us three super bowls. Jimmy had a hand in the talent, but basically supervised the depth.

So again, I am thankful for Jimmy, he played a large part in building the team, but he had a (believe it or not) fairly stacked roster to begin with and the high picks when he took over and the picks from the Herschel trade made all the difference. Give him credit, I agree, but he was not irreplaceable.


and fyi, my responses are in regard to Jimmy as a talent evaluator and team builder - not a coach...he was unquestionably the 2nd best coach we have ever had, and one of the best coaches in modern times (IMO), but as a teambuilder he gets too much credit....

 

[CIWhitefish]

Like others have said the truth is in the middle. Jimmy was a good coach no doubt. But even good coaches need everything to come together in order to win championships. They need the whole organization. They even need a little luck. No one fails or succeeds on their own. Jimmy is not a coaching god. He is a great coach who when he had his windows of opportunity took advantage of them. Many don't and that is the difference between winning and losing in a lot of cases.

 

[BehindEnemyLinez]

Like others have said the truth is in the middle. Jimmy was a good coach no doubt. But even good coaches need everything to come together in order to win championships. They need the whole organization. They even need a little luck. No one fails or succeeds on their own. Jimmy is not a coaching god. He is a great coach who when he had his windows of opportunity took advantage of them. Many don't and that is the difference between winning and losing in a lot of cases.

A voice of reason in an unreasonable thread!!

 

[TNCowboy]

There is no " he built ", or " he won ", anything. Take a look at the 1992 NFC Championship game that the NFL Network has replayed 100 times. Jimmah Jenius almost blew it by going on 4th and 1 instead of kicking the FG that would have put the Cowboys up by 14 points. If it wasn't for Alvin Harper's acrobatic catch over Eric Davis' head ( on an earlier drive ), who knows what the Cowboys would have done on a key drive of the game when they lost all momentum.

Had Jimmy Jenius drafted James Francis instead of Emmitt Smith, who knows where the Cowboys would have been. Had Jerrah Jones not put his foot down and told the " Jenius " in no uncertain term that: " Troy Aikman WILL NOT be traded no matter what ", who knows where the Cowboys would have ended up..

Alot of things that most people don't see, don't know, but happened that helped in that run. It wasn't a " he " anything..

Jimmy built it. End of story. He didn't have to take Aikman, but he did. He didn't have to take Emmit, but he did. He didn't have to make the Herschel Walker trade, but he did.

Jimmy had personnel authority, so it was ultimately all his decision. Doesn't matter if Jimmy wanted Tony Mandarich and a scout talked him into Aikman. Jimmy made the final call. The scout was only there to begin with because of Jimmy. He built the most talented team I've ever seen.

And ultimately, that's where Jerry Jones deserves the most credit. He was the one who hired Jimmy. Shame most of his decisions have stunk since then.

 

[xpistofer]

Like others have said the truth is in the middle. Jimmy was a good coach no doubt. But even good coaches need everything to come together in order to win championships. They need the whole organization. They even need a little luck. No one fails or succeeds on their own. Jimmy is not a coaching god. He is a great coach who when he had his windows of opportunity took advantage of them. Many don't and that is the difference between winning and losing in a lot of cases.

 

[QT]

Jimmy was a great motivator and commanded respect (unlike a certain coach we know today). His former players still respect him to this day.

True he inherited players from the Landry era, but when you can turn a 1-15 season, into 2 superbowls and have enough talent when you leave to win another superbowl, that's greatness.

Man, I remember that Emmitt draft like it was yesterday. Remember, one of the reasons why we were targeting a LB was bc we just signed that RB from San Fran (Terance Flagler i think), but when Emmitt was still there, the Cowboys had to trade up to get him since he was probably Best Player Available. I remember after drafting Emmitt, Joe Brodsky (the RB coach) stated that Terance would run and take your breath away; but Emmitt would do the same thing, but you wouldn't get your breath back.