Jimmy Johnson on NFL Network right now, Head coach commanders

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Mash;2715715 said:
and dont forget......Jerry Jones brought in Haley.....which I thought was a huge piece that was missing in that defense.


Actually that was Jimmy. Even Skip Clueless and Jeff Pearlnecklace attribute that to Jimmy.
 

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jterrell;2714046 said:
Jimmy was undoubtedly a good coach but he had phenomenal talent.

Everything else about him was vastly overrated.

When you have Troy, Mike and Emmitt on offense, plus all that talent on defense well Barry Switzer won a SB with it.

Further what coach came out of Jimmy's lineage that could actually be a decent head coach? The one thing you have to give BP was that while he had issues of his own he spotted coaching talent and the system he uses works well for many Head guys.

Guys like Tony Dungy are hardly these dictorial demi-gods and they win plenty.

End of the day it is about talent. People catch up to schemes and players get immune to the hard grind of a tough coach. Talent is always talent provided it is healthy and on the field.

Jimmys driving will, determination, discipline, and will to win molded those players and team and made them the best they could be. Yes they were talented but Jimmy instill the winning work ethic inside of them. Nothing he did in Big D was overrated. That's just a silly statement.
 

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Bart Starr, Paul Hornung, Jim Taylor, Max McGee, Ray Nitschke. Just a few of the players Vince Lombardi didn't draft. Lombardi only went 7-5 and didn't make the playoffs at his next job.

The obvious conclusion: Vince Lombardi was overated.
 

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We all know Jimmy was a great coach.....

I think the debate is ...that Jimmy Genius doesnt deserve all the credit. Just like one player doesnt deserve all the credit for winning a team game.

I loved Jimmy as HC. Wish things worked out differently between Jerry and Jimmy.
 

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Royal Laegotti;2714776 said:
You do know Jimmy put nearly all of that talent together don't you. What have the Cowboys been without him now in the last 15 years?

Overrated? :rolleyes:

Dude, lay down the bong!

Lay it down hell...pass it over here.

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Michael Phelps
 

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xpistofer;2714368 said:
sigh...

All on the 88 roster:
S Bill Bates
G/T Kevin Gogan
WR Michael Irvin
DE Jim Jeffcoat
WR Kelvin Martin
G Nate Newton
LB Ken Norton
T Mark Tuinei

Troy was to be #1 no matter who was coach, and Jimmy still wanted Walsh instead.

Jimmy didn't want Emmitt...

Yes, Jimmy played a large role in building the team, but I think he gets too much credit...alot of the groundwork was laid - nearly half of the starters on the first Super Bowl team were already there, and if Jimmy had his way two of the major pieces would not have been (Troy and Emmitt), so again, I am thankful for Jimmy, but he was not quite the architect he was made out to be...

There's so much wrong with this post thats its almost comical.

First off, since when do 4 players constitute almost "half the starters"???? The only guys who were starters on that super bowl team in 1992 were Tuinei, Newton, Norton and Irvin. Tuinei and Newton were absolute nobodies until Tony Wise and Jimmy began coaching them. Norton was considered a bust and even though Jimmy had recruited and coached Irvin at Miami, he had doubts about Irvin's ability to receiver from multiple knee problems and hence spent high draft picks on WR's 3yrs in a row from 1990-1992. In fact he had actually moved Irvin to 4th on the depth chart prior to TC in 1991.

As for your Aikman and Steve Walsh comments, please. He did not prefer Walsh to Aikman. Go read his damn book, its covered in there as well as numerous times he has actually discussed it publicly. And he didnt want Emmitt? Are you insane? He admitted he wanted to trade up for James Francis or Lamar Lathon, but he also said later he never expected Emmitt to fall out of the top 7-10 picks as well. They couldnt believe how lucky they were when he kept falling, and traded up to get him when they got the chance.

I'm amazed year after year how people try to discount what he ddi here, especially in light of the "glory years" of Chan Gailey, Dave Campo and even the great Parcells, who himself couldnt win a single playoff game. Let alone a championship. Jimmy won two (back to back) and easily deserves alot of credit for the 3rd, as it was mostly his players and his assistant coaches responsible for that 1995 season.
 
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