Jimmy Johnson was at Valley Ranch

[Mash]

It still comes down to better decisions....

You can make the game simple.....but once the game starts....its up to the players to make the right reads...keys....and decisions.

Its a double edge sword......IMHO......play not to lose.....keep it simple puts more stress on the defense and special teams.......

You gotta keep the opposing defense honest.......we can stop throwing the ball deep and we cant jusy rely on the ground game if the defense is keeping 8 men in the box.

Bottom line......Romo just needs to make better decisions....not get to cute with ...."kill...kill....kill.....etc at the line of scrimmage......sometimes its seems Romo is convinced to throw the ball somewhere even before he scans the field......and its those decisions that he has to cut down on.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

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Jimmy Johnson would have already won a playoff game with Romo QB'ing this team.

Oh, no doubt about it. And everybody would be to scared to make stupid penalties and turnovers. He also would hire someone to work closely with Romo to exorcise him of his bad decisions (a Norv Turner type).

That being said, there's no doubt in my mind that we could've beaten Seattle with Parcells and we could've beaten NYG with Phillips. Both of those games were winnable. Player mistakes lost them both.

 

[cowboyjoe]

It still comes down to better decisions....

You can make the game simple.....but once the game starts....its up to the players to make the right reads...keys....and decisions.

Its a double edge sword......IMHO......play not to lose.....keep it simple puts more stress on the defense and special teams.......

You gotta keep the opposing defense honest.......we can stop throwing the ball deep and we cant jusy rely on the ground game if the defense is keeping 8 men in the box.

Bottom line......Romo just needs to make better decisions....not get to cute with ...."kill...kill....kill.....etc at the line of scrimmage......sometimes its seems Romo is convinced to throw the ball somewhere even before he scans the field......and its those decisions that he has to cut down on.

thats true but the coaches have to put the players in position to win;

thats what jimmy johnson always did, drilled the players till they were blue in the face, and then drilled them some more, you never saw one of jimmy johnsons team gased in the 4th quarter did you?

even jay novachek said that jimmy probably beat them up to much in practice where they could have won more superbowls, but at the same time, teh team in the 90s was built for 3 super bowls wins from jimmy johnson

yeah i know he wasnt here in 95, but the team was that jimmy built

 

[MichaelWinicki]

How about going with what is working?

You mean never attempt another pass?

Gotcha.

Great strategy there.

I'm sure some NFL team will be knocking on your door within a few days.

 

[cowboyjoe]

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Jimmy Johnson would have already won a playoff game with Romo QB'ing this team.

totally agree, if jimmy was coaching in 2007, we won have won the superbowl

 

[CF74]

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Jimmy Johnson would have already won a playoff game with Romo QB'ing this team.

Well there it is, Jimmy said to lean more on the run. Thanks for the confirmation..

 

[cowboyjoe]

Well there it is, Jimmy said to lean more on the run. Thanks for the confirmation..

he also said know your team what you have and dont have;
i dont think wade has a handle on that, obviously not on defense yet

one of jimmy favorite things was play smart football, dont turn it over, or put your players in position to make bad plays

we just need to face it, sometimes wade is outcoached

 

[Chocolate Lab]

You mean never attempt another pass?

Gotcha.

Great strategy there.

I'm sure some NFL team will be knocking on your door within a few days.

Yeah, that's what he said. Never pass again.

Just do exactly what Jimmy said. That's all most of us are asking for.

 

[Mash]

thats true but the coaches have to put the players in position to win;

thats what jimmy johnson always did, drilled the players till they were blue in the face, and then drilled them some more, you never saw one of jimmy johnsons team gased in the 4th quarter did you?

even jay novachek said that jimmy probably beat them up to much in practice where they could have won more superbowls, but at the same time, teh team in the 90s was built for 3 super bowls wins from jimmy johnson

yeah i know he wasnt here in 95, but the team was that jimmy built

I understand what Jimmy did and he was a excellent coach for the Boys....and about being gassed in the 4th quater is another issue that I dont think was mentioned here but the topic was about Romo and his decisions.

We have to understand that Romo isnt a Aikman........Troy was robot like....demanded perfection.....and he didnt have that gunslinger makeup that Romo has.

Also concerning Aikman......it wasnt till Norv got here that we heard reports about Aikman and hearing that practices were run so efficient that the ball never hit the ground......it was perfection at its best and yes.....the coaches had alot to do with it....but also.....Aikman had that talent and makeup to do it.

We are dealing with a different beast here.....we have to let Romo do what he does best and from reports the coaches have asked Romo to be more carefull and to be in better physical shape. I understand that when the running game is going well.....we have to rely on it.....but I dont know about making the game simple is the right direction......I dont want to go back to Billy ball and have a run...run...pass....punt ....field postion type of game plan.To me...thats playing not to lose......instead of trying to win.

For me....it just comes down to better decisions.....from all players.....from knowing what routes to expect when you are blitzing.....to having Romo throw the ball away instead of forcing it down field.

Is it the coaches not preparing them enough? I dont know.....is it putting players in position to succeed? I dont know that either.....its seems to me that they are. I cant blame missed tackles on coaches....I cant blame stupid penalites on coaches.....and I really cant blame a bad throw....or decisions made by players on the field... on coaching......its on the players.

 

[cowboyjoe]

I understand what Jimmy did and he was a excellent coach for the Boys....and about being gassed in the 4th quater is another issue that I dont think was mentioned here but the topic was about Romo and his decisions.

We have to understand that Romo isnt a Aikman........Troy was robot like....demanded perfection.....and he didnt have that gunslinger makeup that Romo has.

Also concerning Aikman......it wasnt till Norv got here that we heard reports about Aikman and hearing that practices were run so efficient that the ball never hit the ground......it was perfection at its best and yes.....the coaches had alot to do with it....but also.....Aikman had that talent and makeup to do it.

We are dealing with a different beast here.....we have to let Romo do what he does best and from reports the coaches have asked Romo to be more carefull and to be in better physical shape. I understand that when the running game is going well.....we have to rely on it.....but I dont know about making the game simple is the right direction......I dont want to go back to Billy ball and have a run...run...pass....punt ....field postion type of game plan.To me...thats playing not to lose......instead of trying to win.

For me....it just comes down to better decisions.....from all players.....from knowing what routes to expect when you are blitzing.....to having Romo throw the ball away instead of forcing it down field.

Is it the coaches not preparing them enough? I dont know.....is it putting players in position to succeed? I dont know that either.....its seems to me that they are. I cant blame missed tackles on coaches....I cant blame stupid penalites on coaches.....and I really cant blame a bad throw....or decisions made by players on the field... on coaching......its on the players.

i understand what your saying and i agree with that alittle
but it still boils down to the coaches having the players ready for everything and anything

what did wade say about the tampa bay runnning on us when we used the blitz packages

oh, its one me, i should have run the blitz more in preseason, but i didnt want to get players hurt, really? ratliff said the players were eager to learn, sounds like to me they arent being taught right

got another question for you, when we had to fix our run defense after the tampa bay game, what are we having to fix now; our pass defense

lets see now on offense we have scored over 30 points last 2 games right so you should be able to say that our offense is improving and doing their job right
our special teams are doing their job right, awhole lot better than last year special teams right
that leaves what, the defense right, who is in charge of the defense?
wade, now do you have it?

who should have managed the time outs better at the end of the game to give the cowboys possibly some extra time after the giants scored their field goal?

how many years have newman and ken hamlin been playing?
over 3 years right so they should be experienced right/
but why has hamlin and newman looked totally lost sunday night

why were the players sceaming at the sidelines right before the giants kicked the winning field goal?

get it now?

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Why couldn't Jimmy win a Super Bowl with Marino?

He couldn't even come close.

The only thing I think Jimmy would've done was give Romo a shorter leash. But he wanted to get rid of Aikman and make Steve Walsh the franchise QB and Jerry talked him out of it.

I don't think there is a coach as dogged about protecting the ball as Parcells and even he had issues with Romo turning the ball over.

Jimmy got by because Landry drafted Irvin and was set to draft Aikman. He also drafted Tuinea and Newton. Emmitt turned out far better than anybody wildest dreams. Combine those and you had 1/2 of a fantastic offense. IMO, Jimmy's biggest strength was finding very talented, but troubled players and 'scaring them straight' because they thought he was crazy. But the Cowboys' dynasty creation was far more complex than saying 'it was all Jimmy' or 'they didn't have to worry about the salary cap' or whatever. Lots of things from different areas played a part in that success...even Jerry (I really can't think of another owner it would've worked with). So unfortunately, re-hiring Jimmy or finding a 'Jimmy clone' I don't think will work here again.





YAKUZA

 

[Ren]

You mean never attempt another pass?

Gotcha.

Great strategy there.

I'm sure some NFL team will be knocking on your door within a few days.

Where exactly did i say never attempt another pass?
it's not rocket science if the D is playing the pass and you have the lead run the damn ball, does that 50/50 balance really look that much better then a W?

Romo had the worst game of his carer he wasn't going to win that game, in fact he was the main reason why NY was even in that game, you really don't have to be a coach to see that putting that game in his hands at that point in the game was a horrible call and probably cost us the W

 

[Mash]

i understand what your saying and i agree with that alittle
but it still boils down to the coaches having the players ready for everything and anything

what did wade say about the tampa bay runnning on us when we used the blitz packages

oh, its one me, i should have run the blitz more in preseason, but i didnt want to get players hurt, really? ratliff said the players were eager to learn, sounds like to me they arent being taught right

got another question for you, when we had to fix our run defense after the tampa bay game, what are we having to fix now; our pass defense

lets see now on offense we have scored over 30 points last 2 games right so you should be able to say that our offense is improving and doing their job right
our special teams are doing their job right, awhole lot better than last year special teams right
that leaves what, the defense right, who is in charge of the defense?
wade, now do you have it?

who should have managed the time outs better at the end of the game to give the cowboys possibly some extra time after the giants scored their field goal?

how many years have newman and ken hamlin been playing?
over 3 years right so they should be experienced right/
but why has hamlin and newman looked totally lost sunday night

why were the players sceaming at the sidelines right before the giants kicked the winning field goal?

get it now?

I understand that the defense has been a disappointment......I dont know why the sacks are not there. Is it the scheme? or our the players failing to beat their man....If Ware gets doubled or tripled....shouldnt we expect the others to beat their man?

And if a Biltz is called.....shouldnt the players know what routes to expect in those situations? The players asked for more man coverage...so did the fans...it was given to them.....and they played poorly.......I mean Scandrick even did say he has to listen to the coaches more.....because he thought he knew everything and he didnt.

Concerning Hamlin and Newman........they are vets and know the system...they should be leaders....not confused...right? Isnt that on the players? Why cant they be held accoutable?

I think the yelling on the final drive was documented that Wade was trying to call a timeout and the refs didnt hear it........still....I guess the players can call a timeout.....but they didnt....and I dont know why.

I understand that coaching can be better......but even the great Parcells was here and he couldnt correct the bad penalites and he also had to dumb down the system because for some reason.....the players couldnt get it.

Is it too hard to expect a player to be a leader? Someone that will make sure they are lined up and know their keys? I mean we witnessed Pierce (sp?)....confusing Romo with calls.....but do we ever see that on our defense? Instead we continue to see players confused and pointing fingers when a play goes wrong.

Is it coaching? maybe.....but these players have to be held accountable. Have we overrated Newman? Is Hamlin happy to be just collecting a paycheck....I dont know.....could changes be made? Maybe...its hard tho.....

 

[dbair1967]

Dude, haven't you read? There's nothing wrong with our offense. At all.

so far

2009 Cowboys offense >>>>> 2009 Cowboys defense

and its not even remotely close

maybe Jimmy can be Mr Fix it for Wade's defense too

 

[dbair1967]

Where exactly did i say never attempt another pass?
it's not rocket science if the D is playing the pass and you have the lead run the damn ball, does that 50/50 balance really look that much better then a W?

Romo had the worst game of his carer he wasn't going to win that game, in fact he was the main reason why NY was even in that game, you really don't have to be a coach to see that putting that game in his hands at that point in the game was a horrible call and probably cost us the W

Garrett doesnt throw the passes people. Nor does he even decide where the passes should go.

Eventually some of you will get it.

 

[dbair1967]

Why couldn't Jimmy win a Super Bowl with Marino?

For one thing he was done when Jimmy got there. The other obvious reason is they just never had super bowl talent.

The only thing I think Jimmy would've done was give Romo a shorter leash. But he wanted to get rid of Aikman and make Steve Walsh the franchise QB and Jerry talked him out of it.

This is total hogwash

I don't think there is a coach as dogged about protecting the ball as Parcells and even he had issues with Romo turning the ball over.

Every coach I'm sure preaches about the importance of avoiding turnovers.

 

[Beast_from_East]

The way I see it, the head coach is the guy that is ultamately responsible for the performance of the team. That is just the way it is.

Wade is so gone after this season.

 

[Ren]

Garrett doesnt throw the passes people. Nor does he even decide where the passes should go.

Eventually some of you will get it.

I never once suggested he did...

He calls the plays, and he made some horrible calls in that game

 

[yimyammer]

Why couldn't Jimmy win a Super Bowl with Marino?

He couldn't even come close.

The only thing I think Jimmy would've done was give Romo a shorter leash. But he wanted to get rid of Aikman and make Steve Walsh the franchise QB and Jerry talked him out of it.


YAKUZA

Do you have a source or link to whomever said this? I've never heard that Jerry talked him out of getting rid of Aikman.

(I'm not saying you're wrong or trying to start an argument, I'm geniunely curious how you know this)

 

[dcfanatic]

so far

2009 Cowboys offense >>>>> 2009 Cowboys defense

and its not even remotely close

maybe Jimmy can be Mr Fix it for Wade's defense too

I am already worried that the problem on Defense is that Wade is in too deep with both the head coaching duties and the D Cor duties.

And I am not the only one.

Last night Bryan Broaddus was on with me and we talked about Wade and his defense looking lost on that last drive against the Giants...

Broaddus on DCFanatic Radio

When you have players screaming and yelling at the sidelines during the most critical point in the game there's a major problem.

Whether it's that they wanted a time out called, wanted the coaches to change up the scheme or that they didn't get a call and didn't have the 'smarts' to figure out what to do it's all a very bad sign.

Preparation is a must in this game. Being cool, calm and collected in the crunch is a must as well. And that's been something that's been lacking for this defense for a very long time.

Why didn't we call any timeouts? Why were the players yelling? Why did this defense look completely lost on that last drive?

I know one thing.

This team should be relying on the offense to win games. Even when they make a ton of mistakes they still put up 31 points.