JJT Say Garrett Controls the Draft

[DanteEXT]

Now who ignores those lousy picks that far outweighs the good ones?

People who make excuses for Jerry.

What constitutes a lousy pick and a good pick in your opinion?

 

[khiladi]

The drafts from 2007 to 2010 suggest otherwise, to me. They were better under Parcells, and have looked better again under Garrett. But, whatever the cause, there were some incredible stinkers during the Wade regime years.

It might not all be drafting, too. It could be player development.

And I acknowledge that were still early in the JG years to determine how much better we've gotten. We need to see continued improvement from the 2011 picks, and last years injured players are a complete mystery as of now.

And my response to that is 2007 and 2010 wasn't an actual reflection of Wade Phillips. It was a reflection of Wade Phillips AND Jason Garrett. Based upon Wade's relatively little influence on offense, it is quite clear that many of the picks were not on Wade. Felix Jones is just one example and we can probably add to that the whole list of OL, our weakest link on this team, when JG is going with Houck, with Wade going as Solari. Our weakest link is on OL...

The reality is that two of our stud defensive players are essentially Wade. The reason the defense on Wade ultimately was poor is because of the CBs he was given. It was only when Jason came into play as HC that Jerry actually spent money to grab a CB like Carr. We had Jenkins picked, who wasn't bad at all, the problem really being his injuries. Wade's first year here, he was straddled with Parcells picks of Anthony Henry and Jacques Reeves and Roy Williams. That secondary was utterly atrocious.

And we see in Houston that Wade has gotten probably the most promising defensive player in a while, J.J. Watt. And Brian Cushing was playing lights out until he got injured again.

 

[Idgit]

And my response to that is 2007 and 2010 wasn't an actual reflection of Wade Phillips. It was a reflection of Wade Phillips AND Jason Garrett. Based upon Wade's relatively little influence on offense, it is quite clear that many of the picks were not on Wade. Felix Jones is just one example and we can probably add to that the whole list of OL, our weakest link on this team, when JG is going with Houck, with Wade going as Solari. Our weakest link is on OL...

The reality is that two of our stud defensive players are essentially Wade. The reason the defense on Wade ultimately was poor is because of the CBs he was given. It was only when Jason came into play as HC that Jerry actually spent money to grab a CB like Carr. We had Jenkins picked, who wasn't bad at all, the problem really being his injuries. Wade's first year here, he was straddled with Parcells picks of Anthony Henry and Jacques Reeves and Roy Williams. That secondary was utterly atrocious.

And we see in Houston that Wade has gotten probably the most promising defensive player in a while, J.J. Watt. And Brian Cushing was playing lights out until he got injured again.

Believing this requires a level of access to the team that we just don't have. I'm dubious. But, even if it's true, it's still on the HC in my book that he allowed that situation to persist. Either you're the head coach, or you're not. It's not like Jerry won't do what needs to be done for his coaches.

Either way, there's little arguing with the results. Whether it was drafting or development, our college talent acquisition during Wade's years was bad.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

It is too bad we just don't see the world like some other posters do.

However, if Hostile is right and it is always the head coach, then it follows it is all Red's fault for his failures.

 

[DenCWBY]

It is too bad we just don't see the world like some other posters do.

However, if Hostile is right and it is always the head coach, then it follows it is all Red's fault for his failures.

I just heard Todd Archer say on ESPN say that JJ is the ultimate decision maker in the draft. He advised that Garrett and the scouts have input and even some of JJ's old cronies who are on the outside have input. He said that the rub is that JJ will sometimes override the majority in the WR to take his outside advisors recommendation.
Ok, do I believe that? Probably some of it's true and some false just like JJT's preception. I don't think anyone but the scouts, previous/present coaches and JJ himself really knows who makes the decision and it (the process) probably changes from coach to coach, draft to draft, and at different points within the draft.
Not trying to bring this arguement up again because it's fruitless but obviously the media has their differences of who make the DC picks as well and we'll never probably know the real truth.
I'm out.

 

[khiladi]

Believing this requires a level of access to the team that we just don't have. I'm dubious. But, even if it's true, it's still on the HC in my book that he allowed that situation to persist. Either you're the head coach, or you're not. It's not like Jerry won't do what needs to be done for his coaches.

Either way, there's little arguing with the results. Whether it was drafting or development, our college talent acquisition during Wade's years was bad.

So Dan Reeves wasn't an attempt to reconcile the issue? So let us assume you are correct, for the sake of argument.

Dez Bryant, Sean Lee, Sean Lissemore and Anthony Spencer are all key ingredients of the Cowboys puzzle, so they are all attributable to Wade. The best WR, the captain of the defense, and the beast that Spencer is, all Wade. With Jason Garrett, you've got Tyron Smith (was inconsistent this year), Murray (hasn't played a full season) and Claiborne. Wade never picked under 10 since being here, so if it was bad under Wade, it's actually worse with Garrett, if we just look at it from the perspective of head coach. The reality is Wade was strapped with a much worse situation than Garrett in that he inherited a bunch of aging veterans brought in by Parcells, which was felt priamrily his last year. The Jason Ferguson's, Roy Williams and Anthony Henry's, were put on him. He didn't even have a MLB that could cover for his scheme.

Further, your acting what I'm stating is classified information, which is baloney. Jerry Jones was given the green light to Jason Garrett from day one with regards to the offense. Again, Houck, Roy Williams, and Felix Jones were all brought in by Garrett. Wade wanted Solari and wanted Chris Johnson. Houck isn't here, Felix isn't here, and Roy isn't here.

If we look at the draft by offense and defense:

2007, the first pick was Spencer. The next 3 picks were all offense, the only one still here, Free whose utter garbage. The last 3 were defense. 2008, the number one pick was Felix Jones (can't stay healthy and is average). Bennett and Choice were also drafted at 3 and 4. Mike Jenkins was the number 2 pick on defense and Scandrick at 5. Dallas wasn't even afforded a pick in the first two rounds. They picked 2 Offensive players in 3 and 4. McGee and Brewster absolutely blew. 2010 drafts, we got Dez Bryant and Sean Lee. 2011 draft, the only guy whose stepped on the field and contributed is Claiborne.

And all the OL picks besides Smith have been garbage.

That, whether you choose to believe it or not, was partially, if not all, on Garrett and no amount of scapegoating it to Wade can change this reality. Even Jerry Jones, during those years, clearly said Jason has total control of the offense.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I just heard Todd Archer say on ESPN say that JJ is the ultimate decision maker in the draft.

He also just said that a couple of years ago, Garrett wanted us to trade back into the first to take Mark Ingram. Which of course we didn't do.

And thank Gawd we didn't. What a terrible, terrible move that would have been.

 

[Alexander]

He also just said that a couple of years ago, Garrett wanted us to trade back into the first to take Mark Ingram. Which of course we didn't do.

And thank Gawd we didn't. What a terrible, terrible move that would have been.

No, that had to be Wade Phillips. Or Ciskowski. Or somebody else. We are in great hands because he is supposedly running things now.

There is legitimate tangible evidence that Garrett campaigned for Felix Jones. That will not go as a bullet point on his resume.

 

[TwoDeep3]

What constitutes a lousy pick and a good pick in your opinion?

Year No. Round Pick Player Name Position College
2012 1 1 6 6 Morris Claiborne DB Louisiana State
2 3 18 81 Tyrone Crawford DE Boise State
3 4 18 113 Kyle Wilber LB Wake Forest
4 4 40 135 Matt Johnson DB Eastern Washington
5 5 17 152 Danny Coale WR Virginia Tech
6 6 16 186 James Hanna TE Oklahoma
7 7 15 222 Caleb McSurdy LB Montana
2011 1 1 9 9 Tyron Smith T USC
2 2 8 40 Bruce Carter LB North Carolina
3 3 7 71 Demarco Murray RB Oklahoma
4 4 13 110 David Arking G Missouri State
5 5 12 143 Josh Thomas DB Buffalo
6 6 11 176 Dwayne Harris WR East Carolina
7 7 17 220 Shaun Chapas RB Georgia
8 7 49 252 Bill Nagy C Wisconsin
2010s 1 7 0 0 Josh Brent DT Illinois
2010 1 1 24 24 Dez Bryant WR Oklahoma State
2 2 23 55 Sean Lee LB Penn State
3 4 28 126 Akwasi Owusu-Ansah DB Indiana (PA)
4 6 10 179 Sam Young T Notre Dame
5 6 27 196 Jamar Wall DB Texas Tech
6 7 27 234 Sean Lissemore DT William & Mary
2009 1 3 5 69 Jason Williams LB Western Illinois
2 3 11 75 Robert Brewster T Ball State
3 4 1 101 Stephen McGee QB Texas A&M
4 4 10 110 Victor Butler DE Oregon State
5 4 20 120 Brandon Williams DE Texas Tech
6 5 7 143 DeAngelo Smith DB Cincinnati
7 5 30 166 Michael Hamlin DB Clemson
8 5 36 172 David Buehler K USC
9 6 24 197 Stephen Hodge DB Texas Christian
10 6 35 208 John Phillips TE Virginia
11 7 18 227 Mike Mickens DB Cincinnati
12 7 20 229 Manuel Johnson WR Oklahoma
2008 1 1 22 22 Felix Jones RB Arkansas
2 1 25 25 Mike Jenkins DB South Florida
3 2 30 61 Martellus Bennett TE Texas A&M
4 4 23 122 Tashard Choice RB Georgia Tech
5 5 8 143 Orlando Scandrick DB Boise State
6 6 1 167 Erik Walden DE Middle Tennessee State
2007 1 1 26 26 Anthony Spencer DE Purdue
2 3 3 67 James Marten T Boston College
3 4 4 103 Isaiah Stanback QB Washington
4 4 23 122 Doug Free T Northern Illinois
5 6 4 178 Nick Folk K Arizona
6 6 21 195 Deon Anderson RB Connecticut
7 7 2 212 Courtney Brown DB Cal Poly-San Luis Obispo
8 7 27 237 Alan Ball DB Illinois
2006 1 1 18 18 Bobby Carpenter LB Ohio State
2 2 21 53 Anthony Fasano TE Notre Dame
3 3 28 92 Jason Hatcher DE Grambling State
4 4 28 125 Skyler Green WR Louisiana State
5 5 5 138 Pat Watkins DB Florida State
6 6 13 182 Montavious Stanley DT Louisville
7 7 3 211 Pat McQuistan T Weber State
8 7 16 224 E.J. Whitley C Texas Tech
2005 1 1 11 11 Demarcus Ware DE Troy
2 1 20 20 Marcus Spears DE Louisiana State
3 2 10 42 Kevin Burnett LB Tennessee
4 4 8 109 Marion Barber RB Minnesota
5 4 31 132 Chris Canty DE Virginia
6 6 34 208 Justin Beriault DB Ball State
7 6 35 209 Rob Petitti T Pittsburgh
8 7 10 224 Jay Ratliff DE Auburn
2004 1 2 11 43 Julius Jones RB Notre Dame
2 2 20 52 Jacob Rogers T USC
3 3 20 83 Stephen Peterman G Louisiana State
4 4 25 121 Bruce Thornton DB Georgia
5 5 12 144 Sean Ryan TE Boston College
6 7 4 205 Nathan Jones DB Rutgers
7 7 15 216 Patrick Crayton WR Northwestern Oklahoma
8 7 22 223 Jacques Reeves DB Purdue
2003 1 1 5 5 Terence Newman DB Kansas State
2 2 6 38 Al Johnson C Wisconsin
3 3 5 69 Jason Witten TE Tennessee
4 4 6 103 Bradie James LB Louisiana State
5 6 5 178 B.J. Tucker DB Wisconsin
6 6 13 186 Zuriel Smith WR Hampton
7 7 5 219 Justin Bates G Colorado
2002 1 1 8 8 Roy Williams DB Oklahoma
2 2 5 37 Andre Gurode G Colorado
3 2 31 63 Antonio Bryant WR Pittsburgh
4 3 10 75 Derek Ross DB Ohio State
5 4 31 129 Jamar Martin RB Ohio State
6 5 33 168 Ralph Hunter DB Virginia Union
7 6 7 179 Tyson Walter T Ohio State
8 6 36 208 Deveren Johnson WR Sacred Heart
9 6 39 211 Bob Slowikowski TE Virginia Tech
2001 1 2 22 53 Quincy Carter QB Georgia
2 2 25 56 Tony Dixon DB Alabama
3 3 31 93 Willie Blade DT Mississippi State
4 4 27 122 Markus Steele LB USC
5 5 6 137 Matt Lehr G Virginia Tech
6 6 8 171 Daleroy Stewart DT Southern Mississippi
7 7 7 207 Colston Weatherington DE Central Missouri State
8 7 40 240 John Nix DT Southern Mississippi
9 7 42 242 Char-ron Dorsey T Florida State
2000 1 2 18 49 Dwayne Goodrich DB Tennessee
2 4 15 109 Kareem Larrimore DB West Texas State
3 5 15 144 Michael Wiley RB Ohio State
4 6 14 180 Mario Edwards DB Florida State
5 7 13 219 Orantes Grant LB Georgia
1999 1 1 20 20 Ebenezer Ekuban DE North Carolina
2 2 24 55 Solomon Page T West Virginia
3 3 24 85 Dat Nguyen LB Texas A&M
4 4 23 118 Wane McGarity WR Texas
5 4 37 132 Hundens Zellner DE Fort Valley State
6 6 24 193 MarTay Jenkins WR Nebraska-Omaha
7 7 23 229 Mike Lucky TE Arizona
8 7 37 243 Kelvin Garmon G Baylor
1998 1 1 8 8 Greg Ellis DE North Carolina
2 2 8 38 Flozell Adams T Michigan State
3 4 8 100 Michael Myers DT Alabama
4 5 7 130 Darren Hambrick LB South Carolina
5 5 15 138 Oliver Ross T Iowa State
6 6 35 188 Izell Reese DB Alabama-Birmingham
7 7 34 223 Tarik Smith RB California
8 7 38 227 Antonio Fleming G Georgia
9 7 48 237 Rodrick Monroe TE Cincinnati
1997 1 1 22 22 David LaFleur TE Louisiana State
2 3 5 65 Dexter Coakley DB Appalachian State
3 3 23 83 Steve Scifres G Wyoming
4 3 34 94 Kenny Wheaton DB Oregon
5 4 5 101 Antonio Anderson DT Syracuse
6 4 31 127 Macey Brooks WR James Madison
7 4 33 129 Nicky Sualua RB Ohio State
8 6 24 187 Lee Vaughn DB Wyoming
9 7 23 224 Omar Stoutmire DB Fresno State

Print this and place this on the wall. Toss a dart ten times.

If you actually can hit the page, chances are you'll hit a lousy pick 8.675 times out of ten.

 

[Rockytop6]

Well, well, well, it seems that even the mediots have come to the reality that Jerry isnt a lone ranger when it comes to the draft.

I find it interesting that these same mediots give Red credit for his drafting prowess, and keeping Jerry from himself, yet at the same time crow about how Jerry will screw the draft up if he makes a trade.

Even the idiot JJT acknowledges the HC's role on draft day at VR.

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/9197192/dallas-cowboys-jason-garrett-control-draft-future

If Garrett is then he is as bad as Jerry!

 

[Jerryrage]

Year No. Round Pick Player Name Position College
2012 1 1 6 6 Morris Claiborne DB Louisiana State
2 3 18 81 Tyrone Crawford DE Boise State
3 4 18 113 Kyle Wilber LB Wake Forest
4 4 40 135 Matt Johnson DB Eastern Washington
5 5 17 152 Danny Coale WR Virginia Tech
6 6 16 186 James Hanna TE Oklahoma
7 7 15 222 Caleb McSurdy LB Montana
2011 1 1 9 9 Tyron Smith T USC
2 2 8 40 Bruce Carter LB North Carolina
3 3 7 71 Demarco Murray RB Oklahoma
4 4 13 110 David Arking G Missouri State
5 5 12 143 Josh Thomas DB Buffalo
6 6 11 176 Dwayne Harris WR East Carolina
7 7 17 220 Shaun Chapas RB Georgia
8 7 49 252 Bill Nagy C Wisconsin
2010s 1 7 0 0 Josh Brent DT Illinois
2010 1 1 24 24 Dez Bryant WR Oklahoma State
2 2 23 55 Sean Lee LB Penn State
3 4 28 126 Akwasi Owusu-Ansah DB Indiana (PA)
4 6 10 179 Sam Young T Notre Dame
5 6 27 196 Jamar Wall DB Texas Tech
6 7 27 234 Sean Lissemore DT William & Mary
2009 1 3 5 69 Jason Williams LB Western Illinois
2 3 11 75 Robert Brewster T Ball State
3 4 1 101 Stephen McGee QB Texas A&M
4 4 10 110 Victor Butler DE Oregon State
5 4 20 120 Brandon Williams DE Texas Tech
6 5 7 143 DeAngelo Smith DB Cincinnati
7 5 30 166 Michael Hamlin DB Clemson
8 5 36 172 David Buehler K USC
9 6 24 197 Stephen Hodge DB Texas Christian
10 6 35 208 John Phillips TE Virginia
11 7 18 227 Mike Mickens DB Cincinnati
12 7 20 229 Manuel Johnson WR Oklahoma
2008 1 1 22 22 Felix Jones RB Arkansas
2 1 25 25 Mike Jenkins DB South Florida
3 2 30 61 Martellus Bennett TE Texas A&M
4 4 23 122 Tashard Choice RB Georgia Tech
5 5 8 143 Orlando Scandrick DB Boise State
6 6 1 167 Erik Walden DE Middle Tennessee State
2007 1 1 26 26 Anthony Spencer DE Purdue
2 3 3 67 James Marten T Boston College
3 4 4 103 Isaiah Stanback QB Washington
4 4 23 122 Doug Free T Northern Illinois
5 6 4 178 Nick Folk K Arizona
6 6 21 195 Deon Anderson RB Connecticut
7 7 2 212 Courtney Brown DB Cal Poly-San Luis Obispo
8 7 27 237 Alan Ball DB Illinois
2006 1 1 18 18 Bobby Carpenter LB Ohio State
2 2 21 53 Anthony Fasano TE Notre Dame
3 3 28 92 Jason Hatcher DE Grambling State
4 4 28 125 Skyler Green WR Louisiana State
5 5 5 138 Pat Watkins DB Florida State
6 6 13 182 Montavious Stanley DT Louisville
7 7 3 211 Pat McQuistan T Weber State
8 7 16 224 E.J. Whitley C Texas Tech
2005 1 1 11 11 Demarcus Ware DE Troy
2 1 20 20 Marcus Spears DE Louisiana State
3 2 10 42 Kevin Burnett LB Tennessee
4 4 8 109 Marion Barber RB Minnesota
5 4 31 132 Chris Canty DE Virginia
6 6 34 208 Justin Beriault DB Ball State
7 6 35 209 Rob Petitti T Pittsburgh
8 7 10 224 Jay Ratliff DE Auburn
2004 1 2 11 43 Julius Jones RB Notre Dame
2 2 20 52 Jacob Rogers T USC
3 3 20 83 Stephen Peterman G Louisiana State
4 4 25 121 Bruce Thornton DB Georgia
5 5 12 144 Sean Ryan TE Boston College
6 7 4 205 Nathan Jones DB Rutgers
7 7 15 216 Patrick Crayton WR Northwestern Oklahoma
8 7 22 223 Jacques Reeves DB Purdue
2003 1 1 5 5 Terence Newman DB Kansas State
2 2 6 38 Al Johnson C Wisconsin
3 3 5 69 Jason Witten TE Tennessee
4 4 6 103 Bradie James LB Louisiana State
5 6 5 178 B.J. Tucker DB Wisconsin
6 6 13 186 Zuriel Smith WR Hampton
7 7 5 219 Justin Bates G Colorado
2002 1 1 8 8 Roy Williams DB Oklahoma
2 2 5 37 Andre Gurode G Colorado
3 2 31 63 Antonio Bryant WR Pittsburgh
4 3 10 75 Derek Ross DB Ohio State
5 4 31 129 Jamar Martin RB Ohio State
6 5 33 168 Ralph Hunter DB Virginia Union
7 6 7 179 Tyson Walter T Ohio State
8 6 36 208 Deveren Johnson WR Sacred Heart
9 6 39 211 Bob Slowikowski TE Virginia Tech
2001 1 2 22 53 Quincy Carter QB Georgia
2 2 25 56 Tony Dixon DB Alabama
3 3 31 93 Willie Blade DT Mississippi State
4 4 27 122 Markus Steele LB USC
5 5 6 137 Matt Lehr G Virginia Tech
6 6 8 171 Daleroy Stewart DT Southern Mississippi
7 7 7 207 Colston Weatherington DE Central Missouri State
8 7 40 240 John Nix DT Southern Mississippi
9 7 42 242 Char-ron Dorsey T Florida State
2000 1 2 18 49 Dwayne Goodrich DB Tennessee
2 4 15 109 Kareem Larrimore DB West Texas State
3 5 15 144 Michael Wiley RB Ohio State
4 6 14 180 Mario Edwards DB Florida State
5 7 13 219 Orantes Grant LB Georgia
1999 1 1 20 20 Ebenezer Ekuban DE North Carolina
2 2 24 55 Solomon Page T West Virginia
3 3 24 85 Dat Nguyen LB Texas A&M
4 4 23 118 Wane McGarity WR Texas
5 4 37 132 Hundens Zellner DE Fort Valley State
6 6 24 193 MarTay Jenkins WR Nebraska-Omaha
7 7 23 229 Mike Lucky TE Arizona
8 7 37 243 Kelvin Garmon G Baylor
1998 1 1 8 8 Greg Ellis DE North Carolina
2 2 8 38 Flozell Adams T Michigan State
3 4 8 100 Michael Myers DT Alabama
4 5 7 130 Darren Hambrick LB South Carolina
5 5 15 138 Oliver Ross T Iowa State
6 6 35 188 Izell Reese DB Alabama-Birmingham
7 7 34 223 Tarik Smith RB California
8 7 38 227 Antonio Fleming G Georgia
9 7 48 237 Rodrick Monroe TE Cincinnati
1997 1 1 22 22 David LaFleur TE Louisiana State
2 3 5 65 Dexter Coakley DB Appalachian State
3 3 23 83 Steve Scifres G Wyoming
4 3 34 94 Kenny Wheaton DB Oregon
5 4 5 101 Antonio Anderson DT Syracuse
6 4 31 127 Macey Brooks WR James Madison
7 4 33 129 Nicky Sualua RB Ohio State
8 6 24 187 Lee Vaughn DB Wyoming
9 7 23 224 Omar Stoutmire DB Fresno State

Print this and place this on the wall. Toss a dart ten times.

If you actually can hit the page, chances are you'll hit a lousy pick 8.675 times out of ten.

LOL - This just goes to show that the Cowboys front office and scouting team have no idea what they're doing and it shows on the record.

 

[TwoDeep3]

So if this is the case, then what does it say about the article written by JJT and the responses by others who are certain Jerry is not the man?

 

[JBell]

Inb4 30 pages

 

[Jerryrage]

meh, I just don't care anymore. Win ok, lose ok. w/e

 

[zrinkill]

Its true ........ I hope Jason and Tom both resign tonight

I hate Jerry Jones

 

[khiladi]

Source? Jason Garrett fan boy? So Jason can't control JJ, or when one wants to give him credit for the changing the culture, he's definitely cleaning up the roster.

 

[CyberB0b]

Source? Jason Garrett fan boy?

PrtSc button from my computer, which has the live stream from DC.com

 

[Pokeness]

Trade down and reach, the Jerry Jones Clown Circus continues, on and on and on and on......

 

[Doomsay]

Can we revisit? Although Jason was smiling...hard..when 31 approached.

 

[Dodger12]

Can we revisit? Although Jason was smiling...hard..when 31 approached.

I'm curious to see if those posters who believed the JJT piece still believe it today. My guess is that most will and very little will change their view.