JJT Say Garrett Controls the Draft

[Doomsday101]

I would think when the owner/GM tells the world he has the final say in disputes, that this piece of information overrides all the media types and fans who profess different.

But again the argument continues even after many people who have been on the inside have validated that one aspect.

When it comes to loggerheads Jerry breaks the tie. Jerry makes the decision.

Clear cut, unequivocal, from the horse's mouth, this is how it's done.

Regardless of what other teams do or not. This is how it is done in Dallas.

A man with no experience in talent evaluation makes the call. Al Davis is used to validate an owner can be a talent guy, but most who do this do not offer up Al's resume that has him work his way into the position of being capable.

Bat crap crazy was his downfall. For Jerry hubris and arrogance are what makes him think he understands the league and how to pick talent.

Twenty plus years watching others work in that realm with no accountability makes Jerry a loose cannon.

I'm not saying Jerry does not cast the final vote when there is a tie breaker between 2 players he went with the advice of Ireland over Parcells to get Ware. One thing I will say Jerry never points at others, he never said Lacewell is the reason for this poor draft or when players who came with BP was here he never once laid blame at others feet he will always say we or I and he takes the heat so when you claim there is no accountability I disagree he holds himself accountable, media holds him accountable and fans as well.

Now in the last few drafts we have found some real gems that will help this team and we have more to do and much of that starts with guys Tom Ciskowski who has a big say as well as Garrett however any failure will fall on Jerry, funny how guys who pan out are never claimed as jerry's picks only the guys who fail.

 

[Hostile]

I never intended to post here again, but I took so much crap over this topic that having the last piece of evidence I said would come out has brought me out of lurk mode for this one response.

It is always the Head Coach, and anyone with a lick of common sense knows this.

In High School it is the Head Coach not the School Superintendent or the Principal. The Head Coach knows what a player can do and how he can use him.

In college it is the Head Coach not the Athletic Director. He knows strategies, timing, Xs and Os, and training.

In the NFL it is the Head Coach not the GM. They build the teams, everyone works for them to build the team, it is their vision. It always has been. For every single team. The differences in how teams are run revolve around what the Head Coach wants. Every team worth a flip tries to accomodate that. That is why Tom Landry was successful with Murchison as an owner, but not with Bum Bright who was submarining him. That is why none of the other Head Coaches here blame Jerry but fans can't let go.

Gil Brandt and Tom Landry built those teams. Jimmy Johnson built the 90's team. Bill Parcells dug us out of Campo hell. Gailey did better than Switzer at the Draft and other football related matters.

Do people really think Jerry just suddenly got better when Parcells, Phillips and now Garrett arrived? No, those guys did better than Switzer, Gailey, and Campo.

It is always the Head Coach. That is why Kansas City will build into something decent. Why the Commanders are once again formidable. Why teams would jump all over Belichick if he was available and still wanted to coach.

You want to know why Cowher, Holmgren, Dungy, Jimmy, and other successful Head Coaches don't have jobs? Because they are set for life, have nothing left to prove, and are doing fine without the grind.

Don't be fooled by this banter that has tripped these guys up for years. It is always the Head Coach. Tex Schramm suddenly became a bad GM and Landry a bad Coach? No. Landry could have resurrected the Cowboys under Jerry because Jerry supports the Head Coach with everything he has. Gives him whatever he wants. Why do you think we had so many "friends of Bill" arrive when the Big Tuna got here?

I'm sorry that I was right and so many otherwise intelligent people were wrong. I'm sorry many feel I was cocky about it. Blame it on frustration of trying to be a voice of reason to those who can't be reasoned with.

It is always the Head Coach, at every level of the game. The best ones know the game and they will turn teams around. That is why I am so confident in our Head Coach. Because respected football men see what he wants and what he is building. It's a damned shame so many Cowboys fans can't see it when we have had such good examples of how building a team is done.

Enjoy the Draft and the season folks. Go Cowboys. That is the only thing that matters, not all this petty infighting that never solves a thing.

 

[visionary]

I never intended to post here again, but I took so much crap over this topic that having the last piece of evidence I said would come out has brought me out of lurk mode for this one response.

It is always the Head Coach, and anyone with a lick of common sense knows this.

In High School it is the Head Coach not the School Superintendent or the Principal. The Head Coach knows what a player can do and how he can use him.

In college it is the Head Coach not the Athletic Director. He knows strategies, timing, Xs and Os, and training.

In the NFL it is the Head Coach not the GM. They build the teams, everyone works for them to build the team, it is their vision. It always has been. For every single team. The differences in how teams are run revolve around what the Head Coach wants. Every team worth a flip tries to accomodate that. That is why Tom Landry was successful with Murchison as an owner, but not with Bum Bright who was submarining him. That is why none of the other Head Coaches here blame Jerry but fans can't let go.

Gil Brandt and Tom Landry built those teams. Jimmy Johnson built the 90's team. Bill Parcells dug us out of Campo hell. Gailey did better than Switzer at the Draft and other football related matters.

Do people really think Jerry just suddenly got better when Parcells, Phillips and now Garrett arrived? No, those guys did better than Switzer, Gailey, and Campo.

It is always the Head Coach. That is why Kansas City will build into something decent. Why the Commanders are once again formidable. Why teams would jump all over Belichick if he was available and still wanted to coach.

You want to know why Cowher, Holmgren, Dungy, Jimmy, and other successful Head Coaches don't have jobs? Because they are set for life, have nothing left to prove, and are doing fine without the grind.

Don't be fooled by this banter that has tripped these guys up for years. It is always the Head Coach. Tex Schramm suddenly became a bad GM and Landry a bad Coach? No. Landry could have resurrected the Cowboys under Jerry because Jerry supports the Head Coach with everything he has. Gives him whatever he wants. Why do you think we had so many "friends of Bill" arrive when the Big Tuna got here?

I'm sorry that I was right and so many otherwise intelligent people were wrong. I'm sorry many feel I was cocky about it. Blame it on frustration of trying to be a voice of reason to those who can't be reasoned with.

It is always the Head Coach, at every level of the game. The best ones know the game and they will turn teams around. That is why I am so confident in our Head Coach. Because respected football men see what he wants and what he is building. It's a damned shame so many Cowboys fans can't see it when we have had such good examples of how building a team is done.

Enjoy the Draft and the season folks. Go Cowboys. That is the only thing that matters, not all this petty infighting that never solves a thing.

So now we are expected to believe that wade was making the picks and "building the team"

And the hilarity continues

Welcome back Hos

 

[Doomsay]

The flame burns brightly.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Actually nothing you said offers anything of value to the discussion at all.
Jerry is responsible for getting the right people around him and getting the job done.

How he does that matters very little.

If we win then it works. If not it does not. Simple as that.

In the past decade the Cowboys have finished below .500 twice. They have had only 3 double digit win seasons and they have a single playoff win. That's not good enough. But its hardly rare for GM's to have such a record since it is in fact slightly above average by NFL standards. 9 win average.

It is almost comical to watch the completely illogical claim Jerry is the worst
GM in NFL history while he outperforms half the league.

I'm not a big Jerry as GM proponent (even though I think he's improved greatly over the last few years).

But I have to give you props for that post JT.

You brought out some strong facts.

 

[Mansta54]

I never intended to post here again, but I took so much crap over this topic that having the last piece of evidence I said would come out has brought me out of lurk mode for this one response.

It is always the Head Coach, and anyone with a lick of common sense knows this.

In High School it is the Head Coach not the School Superintendent or the Principal. The Head Coach knows what a player can do and how he can use him.

In college it is the Head Coach not the Athletic Director. He knows strategies, timing, Xs and Os, and training.

In the NFL it is the Head Coach not the GM. They build the teams, everyone works for them to build the team, it is their vision. It always has been. For every single team. The differences in how teams are run revolve around what the Head Coach wants. Every team worth a flip tries to accomodate that. That is why Tom Landry was successful with Murchison as an owner, but not with Bum Bright who was submarining him. That is why none of the other Head Coaches here blame Jerry but fans can't let go.

Gil Brandt and Tom Landry built those teams. Jimmy Johnson built the 90's team. Bill Parcells dug us out of Campo hell. Gailey did better than Switzer at the Draft and other football related matters.

Do people really think Jerry just suddenly got better when Parcells, Phillips and now Garrett arrived? No, those guys did better than Switzer, Gailey, and Campo.

It is always the Head Coach. That is why Kansas City will build into something decent. Why the Commanders are once again formidable. Why teams would jump all over Belichick if he was available and still wanted to coach.

You want to know why Cowher, Holmgren, Dungy, Jimmy, and other successful Head Coaches don't have jobs? Because they are set for life, have nothing left to prove, and are doing fine without the grind.

Don't be fooled by this banter that has tripped these guys up for years. It is always the Head Coach. Tex Schramm suddenly became a bad GM and Landry a bad Coach? No. Landry could have resurrected the Cowboys under Jerry because Jerry supports the Head Coach with everything he has. Gives him whatever he wants. Why do you think we had so many "friends of Bill" arrive when the Big Tuna got here?

I'm sorry that I was right and so many otherwise intelligent people were wrong. I'm sorry many feel I was cocky about it. Blame it on frustration of trying to be a voice of reason to those who can't be reasoned with.

It is always the Head Coach, at every level of the game. The best ones know the game and they will turn teams around. That is why I am so confident in our Head Coach. Because respected football men see what he wants and what he is building. It's a damned shame so many Cowboys fans can't see it when we have had such good examples of how building a team is done.

Enjoy the Draft and the season folks. Go Cowboys. That is the only thing that matters, not all this petty infighting that never solves a thing.

As usual, on the money.

 

[AsthmaField]

So for years I hear that the coach is supposed to pick the players and that JJ is meddling and thinks he knows the talent and picks who he wants.

Constant griping ensues.

Now, when it becomes evident that Garrett is taking charge of the draft and that Jerry lets him and the scouts make the draft decisions, then I hear that Jerry is the GM and is supposed to be making the picks because that is what the GM does.

And constant griping ensues.

Wow.

 

[Mansta54]

So for years I hear that the coach is supposed to pick the players and that JJ is meddling and thinks he knows the talent and picks who he wants.

Constant griping ensues.

Now, when it becomes evident that Garrett is taking charge of the draft and that Jerry lets him and the scouts make the draft decisions, then I hear that Jerry is the GM and is supposed to be making the picks because that is what the GM does.

And constant griping ensues.

Wow.

Amazing, isn't it. Smh!!!

 

[menolian]

ost:
Thanks for spelling out what needed to be said, good to have you back.

I never intended to post here again, but I took so much crap over this topic that having the last piece of evidence I said would come out has brought me out of lurk mode for this one response.

It is always the Head Coach, and anyone with a lick of common sense knows this.

In High School it is the Head Coach not the School Superintendent or the Principal. The Head Coach knows what a player can do and how he can use him.

In college it is the Head Coach not the Athletic Director. He knows strategies, timing, Xs and Os, and training.

In the NFL it is the Head Coach not the GM. They build the teams, everyone works for them to build the team, it is their vision. It always has been. For every single team. The differences in how teams are run revolve around what the Head Coach wants. Every team worth a flip tries to accomodate that. That is why Tom Landry was successful with Murchison as an owner, but not with Bum Bright who was submarining him. That is why none of the other Head Coaches here blame Jerry but fans can't let go.

Gil Brandt and Tom Landry built those teams. Jimmy Johnson built the 90's team. Bill Parcells dug us out of Campo hell. Gailey did better than Switzer at the Draft and other football related matters.

Do people really think Jerry just suddenly got better when Parcells, Phillips and now Garrett arrived? No, those guys did better than Switzer, Gailey, and Campo.

It is always the Head Coach. That is why Kansas City will build into something decent. Why the Commanders are once again formidable. Why teams would jump all over Belichick if he was available and still wanted to coach.

You want to know why Cowher, Holmgren, Dungy, Jimmy, and other successful Head Coaches don't have jobs? Because they are set for life, have nothing left to prove, and are doing fine without the grind.

Don't be fooled by this banter that has tripped these guys up for years. It is always the Head Coach. Tex Schramm suddenly became a bad GM and Landry a bad Coach? No. Landry could have resurrected the Cowboys under Jerry because Jerry supports the Head Coach with everything he has. Gives him whatever he wants. Why do you think we had so many "friends of Bill" arrive when the Big Tuna got here?

I'm sorry that I was right and so many otherwise intelligent people were wrong. I'm sorry many feel I was cocky about it. Blame it on frustration of trying to be a voice of reason to those who can't be reasoned with.

It is always the Head Coach, at every level of the game. The best ones know the game and they will turn teams around. That is why I am so confident in our Head Coach. Because respected football men see what he wants and what he is building. It's a damned shame so many Cowboys fans can't see it when we have had such good examples of how building a team is done.

Enjoy the Draft and the season folks. Go Cowboys. That is the only thing that matters, not all this petty infighting that never solves a thing.

 

[skinsscalper]

I never intended to post here again, but I took so much crap over this topic that having the last piece of evidence I said would come out has brought me out of lurk mode for this one response.

It is always the Head Coach, and anyone with a lick of common sense knows this.

In High School it is the Head Coach not the School Superintendent or the Principal. The Head Coach knows what a player can do and how he can use him.

In college it is the Head Coach not the Athletic Director. He knows strategies, timing, Xs and Os, and training.

In the NFL it is the Head Coach not the GM. They build the teams, everyone works for them to build the team, it is their vision. It always has been. For every single team. The differences in how teams are run revolve around what the Head Coach wants. Every team worth a flip tries to accomodate that. That is why Tom Landry was successful with Murchison as an owner, but not with Bum Bright who was submarining him. That is why none of the other Head Coaches here blame Jerry but fans can't let go.

Gil Brandt and Tom Landry built those teams. Jimmy Johnson built the 90's team. Bill Parcells dug us out of Campo hell. Gailey did better than Switzer at the Draft and other football related matters.

Do people really think Jerry just suddenly got better when Parcells, Phillips and now Garrett arrived? No, those guys did better than Switzer, Gailey, and Campo.

It is always the Head Coach. That is why Kansas City will build into something decent. Why the Commanders are once again formidable. Why teams would jump all over Belichick if he was available and still wanted to coach.

You want to know why Cowher, Holmgren, Dungy, Jimmy, and other successful Head Coaches don't have jobs? Because they are set for life, have nothing left to prove, and are doing fine without the grind.

Don't be fooled by this banter that has tripped these guys up for years. It is always the Head Coach. Tex Schramm suddenly became a bad GM and Landry a bad Coach? No. Landry could have resurrected the Cowboys under Jerry because Jerry supports the Head Coach with everything he has. Gives him whatever he wants. Why do you think we had so many "friends of Bill" arrive when the Big Tuna got here?

I'm sorry that I was right and so many otherwise intelligent people were wrong. I'm sorry many feel I was cocky about it. Blame it on frustration of trying to be a voice of reason to those who can't be reasoned with.

It is always the Head Coach, at every level of the game. The best ones know the game and they will turn teams around. That is why I am so confident in our Head Coach. Because respected football men see what he wants and what he is building. It's a damned shame so many Cowboys fans can't see it when we have had such good examples of how building a team is done.

Enjoy the Draft and the season folks. Go Cowboys. That is the only thing that matters, not all this petty infighting that never solves a thing.

ost:

Oops. Looks like I was a few minutes too late.

 

[Dodger12]

This is priceless. JJT is the resident football fool around here, or so many of you have said every time the guy writes something people don't agree with. Now we take this article as some kind of gospel and vindication.

Yes, wade wanted to trade for RWII, Good call Wade. And I'm sure Wade wanted Felix which is why when it came time to pick Jerry turned to JG, an offensive coordinator, and asked for his opinion on which RB to take. I'm sure Wade prepped Jason on what to say and Jason was speaking for Wade.

The rumors of Wade wanting Chris Johnson must be false because, well, if he wanted him, he would have had him. But wait, Jerry was asking Jason about picking between Felix and Mendenhall, not Johnson. Now I'm really confused.

I'm also equally confident that Campo was the one who over ruled the scouts and took QC in the second.

And, of course, it was all BP's idea to sign the "Player". Had to have him and the love fest was obvious from the start. And I like BP's choice in trading for Henson, even though he didn't like the kid enough to keep him over an UFA or a 40 year old washed up has been. It's weird how that works.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

This is priceless. JJT is the resident football fool around here, or so many of you have said every time the guy writes something people don't agree with. Now we take this article as some kind of gospel and vindication.

Yes, wade wanted to trade for RWII, Good call Wade. And I'm sure Wade wanted Felix which is why when it came time to pick Jerry turned to JG, an offensive coordinator, and asked for his opinion on which RB to take. I'm sure Wade prepped Jason on what to say and Jason was speaking for Wade.

The rumors of Wade wanting Chris Johnson must be false because, well, if he wanted him, he would have had him. But wait, Jerry was asking Jason about picking between Felix and Mendenhall, not Johnson. Now I'm really confused.

I'm also equally confident that Campo was the one who over ruled the scouts and took QC in the second.

And, of course, it was all BP's idea to sign the "Player". Had to have him and the love fest was obvious from the start. And I like BP's choice in trading for Henson, even though he didn't like the kid enough to keep him over an UFA or a 40 year old washed up has been. It's weird how that works.

 

[mschmidt64]

I never intended to post here again, but I took so much crap over this topic that having the last piece of evidence I said would come out has brought me out of lurk mode for this one response.

It is always the Head Coach, and anyone with a lick of common sense knows this.

In High School it is the Head Coach not the School Superintendent or the Principal. The Head Coach knows what a player can do and how he can use him.

In college it is the Head Coach not the Athletic Director. He knows strategies, timing, Xs and Os, and training.

In the NFL it is the Head Coach not the GM. They build the teams, everyone works for them to build the team, it is their vision. It always has been. For every single team. The differences in how teams are run revolve around what the Head Coach wants. Every team worth a flip tries to accomodate that. That is why Tom Landry was successful with Murchison as an owner, but not with Bum Bright who was submarining him. That is why none of the other Head Coaches here blame Jerry but fans can't let go.

Gil Brandt and Tom Landry built those teams. Jimmy Johnson built the 90's team. Bill Parcells dug us out of Campo hell. Gailey did better than Switzer at the Draft and other football related matters.

Do people really think Jerry just suddenly got better when Parcells, Phillips and now Garrett arrived? No, those guys did better than Switzer, Gailey, and Campo.

It is always the Head Coach. That is why Kansas City will build into something decent. Why the Commanders are once again formidable. Why teams would jump all over Belichick if he was available and still wanted to coach.

You want to know why Cowher, Holmgren, Dungy, Jimmy, and other successful Head Coaches don't have jobs? Because they are set for life, have nothing left to prove, and are doing fine without the grind.

Don't be fooled by this banter that has tripped these guys up for years. It is always the Head Coach. Tex Schramm suddenly became a bad GM and Landry a bad Coach? No. Landry could have resurrected the Cowboys under Jerry because Jerry supports the Head Coach with everything he has. Gives him whatever he wants. Why do you think we had so many "friends of Bill" arrive when the Big Tuna got here?

I'm sorry that I was right and so many otherwise intelligent people were wrong. I'm sorry many feel I was cocky about it. Blame it on frustration of trying to be a voice of reason to those who can't be reasoned with.

It is always the Head Coach, at every level of the game. The best ones know the game and they will turn teams around. That is why I am so confident in our Head Coach. Because respected football men see what he wants and what he is building. It's a damned shame so many Cowboys fans can't see it when we have had such good examples of how building a team is done.

Enjoy the Draft and the season folks. Go Cowboys. That is the only thing that matters, not all this petty infighting that never solves a thing.

Kind of ironic, then, that you just posted an article on your website about how you want to be the GM of the Cowboys to call the draft-day shots, if it's all the head coach.

Something doesn't add up. Why would you want a position that is a figurehead and doesn't make any of the actual personnel calls?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

This is priceless. JJT is the resident football fool around here, or so many of you have said every time the guy writes something people don't agree with. Now we take this article as some kind of gospel and vindication.

Yes, wade wanted to trade for RWII, Good call Wade. And I'm sure Wade wanted Felix which is why when it came time to pick Jerry turned to JG, an offensive coordinator, and asked for his opinion on which RB to take. I'm sure Wade prepped Jason on what to say and Jason was speaking for Wade.

The rumors of Wade wanting Chris Johnson must be false because, well, if he wanted him, he would have had him. But wait, Jerry was asking Jason about picking between Felix and Mendenhall, not Johnson. Now I'm really confused.

I'm also equally confident that Campo was the one who over ruled the scouts and took QC in the second.

And, of course, it was all BP's idea to sign the "Player". Had to have him and the love fest was obvious from the start. And I like BP's choice in trading for Henson, even though he didn't like the kid enough to keep him over an UFA or a 40 year old washed up has been. It's weird how that works.

Bingo.

 

[Dodger12]

JJT: Spin on Jason Garrett gets blurry

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/...calling-duties

MOBILE, Ala. -- No one outside the Dallas Cowboys' organization believes Jason Garrett gave up his play-calling duties without a fight.

Maybe it was a knock-down, drag-out argument. Perhaps it was a heated exchange of ideas. Or something in between. But let's not act as if Garrett's identity as an NFL coach hasn't been wrapped up in calling plays because it is -- at least it has been.

Garrett and Jerry Jones can spin it like a top until the end of time, but there's not a single person who has studied this team for any length of time who's going to buy what the Cowboys are selling.

Their story makes no sense.

I'm sorry, when I saw the spinning top in your reply I thought maybe you were referring to this recent JJT article. Of course, you didn't reply anywhere in the thread. Oh wait, we only like JJT when we agree with him and then use his article as some sort of solid ground to support our opinion. Got it........

 

[Dodger12]

Bingo.

And the third reply in the thread/article I just referenced is from the same poster who just used this current JJT article as some evidence of vindication. Of course, he disagreed with JJT then.

"No one outside the Dallas Cowboys organization believes..."

Right, those on the outside - looking in. Key phrase.

"...but there's not a single person who has studied this team for any length of time who's going to buy what the Cowboys are selling."

Right, studied the Cowboys, not informed.

 

[Hostile]

Kind of ironic, then, that you just posted an article on your website about how you want to be the GM of the Cowboys to call the draft-day shots, if it's all the head coach.

Something doesn't add up. Why would you want a position that is a figurehead and doesn't make any of the actual personnel calls?

I do not own The Landry Hat, Sports Illustrated does, and you must have missed this...

"The truth of the matter is that everything I am about to share with you lies at the control of Tom Ciskowski and Jason Garrett, not the GM. But that isn't any fun to imagine, so I'm going with GM."

Reading Comprehension 101, 2nd paragraph, 3rd sentence, but thank you for reading my articles. I'm not surprised you do. I am sure TLH appreciates the traffic.

Oh and Dodger12, I didn't defend JJT at all, you'll find I didn't even mention him, but nice try at a strawman. I'm out. Ya'll can rail at the moon. Always the same guys...smh.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I do not own The Landry Hat, Sports Illustrated does, and you must have missed this...

"The truth of the matter is that everything I am about to share with you lies at the control of Tom Ciskowski and Jason Garrett, not the GM. But that isn't any fun to imagine, so I'm going with GM."

Reading Comprehension 101, 2nd paragraph, 3rd sentence, but thank you for reading my articles. I'm not surprised you do. I am sure TLH appreciates the traffic.

Oh and Dodger12, I didn't defend JJT at all, you'll find I didn't even mention him, but nice try at a strawman.

Hey Hos, how its hanging.

Where you been bro? Why do you plan to not post here anymore?

I know you got thicker skin then this dude, do let a couple of posters get to you. You know how many times I have been criticized on here, if I took it personally I would have quit years ago. Just challenge posters to sig bets when disagreements arise, that's the best way to handle a disagreement on here.

Even you and me had sig bets (of course I won ), but that is beside the point. Take care Hos.

 

[Zordon]

This is priceless. JJT is the resident football fool around here, or so many of you have said every time the guy writes something people don't agree with. Now we take this article as some kind of gospel and vindication.

It's hilarious, isn't it?

 

[NeonNinja]

Kind of ironic, then, that you just posted an article on your website about how you want to be the GM of the Cowboys to call the draft-day shots, if it's all the head coach.

Something doesn't add up. Why would you want a position that is a figurehead and doesn't make any of the actual personnel calls?

Too bad he doesn't own it, try again.