Joe Banner (ex Eagle GM) interesting comments on Dallas draft

[Wood]

this was follow up to article by Sturm:

http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d.../sturms-mailbag-friday-part-1-thoughts-pick-4

 

[Risen Star]

Exactly right. We will look back on this offseason as the worst in the Jerry era since the day Jimmy left.

 

[dogunwo]

Exactly right. We will look back on this offseason as the worst in the Jerry era since the day Jimmy left.

I dont know about that. 2009 was pretty awful.

 

[NeonNinja]

I agree. Wentz/Goff for me.

 

[Rockport]

Exactly right. We will look back on this offseason as the worst in the Jerry era since the day Jimmy left.

Yeah, let's listen to an Eagle rep and base our draft on what he thinks. Solid reasoning. You guys NEVER cease to amaze me.

 

[slick325]

Oh wait...Joe Banner made these statements. That completely seals it for me. I always say Bill Walsh, The Hoodie, Joe Banner, Bobby Bethard, Ron Wolf when it comes to football minds I trust.

 

[PoundTheRock]

I dont know about that. 2009 was pretty awful.

It was very bad, but nothing they couldn't recover from. A lot of teams had bad drafts in 2009 though. I'm the last person to excuse the clowns that run this team, but that whole draft was a giant dumpster dive.

This is a prime draft to chase a QB though. This team needed a contingency plan on QB yesterday. If they could get a prime prospect in place before the clock strikes midnight on Romo they could hit the ground running toward the next era of Cowboys football. It's gonna be a lot more difficult to do that when their hand is forced and they have look under rocks for a replacement.

 

[Leadbelly]

He wants us to waste the pick. That's why he's advocating QB and trade up.

 

[td4mvp2k]

ya that sounds like an eagles GM alright...

 

[PoundTheRock]

It sure it is gonna be fun when the Cowboys are searching for a QB for years on end after Romo retires in a year or two. We'll all look back and admit the Cowboys should've taken a shot at a QB in the 2016 draft when they were primed to.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

LOL @ 10 years of GLOOM and regret, more likely a decade of Clipboard and BUST potential.

There is no consensus Franchise QB in this Draft, the closest thing is a Bus Driver outta Cal.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

neither goff nor wentz is worth a top 100 pick in addition to the first.

 

[Idgit]

Moving up would be dumb.
Taking one at 4, though, makes sense. If somebody wants to jump up to 1 or 3 to take one of these QBs, let 'em. Otherwise, sit tight and take our guy when he's there.

 

[bodi]

a colossal mistake

 

[bodi]

this what Strum said

but let's look at RB vs. QB briefly

In 2004 (12 drafts ago), the league saw three franchise QBs selected within the first two hours. The Giants left with Eli Manning, the Chargers left with Philip Rivers, and the Steelers snagged Ben Roethlisberger within the first 11 picks. As we sit here 143 months later, those three teams still employ those three assets. One other player from that top group remains with his franchise, WR Larry Fitzgerald in Arizona.

Now, let's fast-forward to the 2008 draft. This is merely eight years back. Again, teams addressed franchise QB with Atlanta selecting Matt Ryan and Baltimore found Joe Flacco. As you know, both teams will have both of those QBs for probably several more seasons.

But, in that 2008 first round -- eight seasons back -- five teams decided to go with a RB. Oakland selected Darren McFadden and he played in Oakland for seven seasons. Carolina grabbed Jonathan Stewart and he remains there today (still just 28 years old). Dallas snagged Felix Jones and let him go after his first and only contract. Pittsburgh drafted Rashard Mendenhall (who they allowed to leave in 2012) and he retired at 26. Tennessee drafted the fantastic Chris Johnson and then released him after 2013.

Am I cherry-picking the data? Sure. But, the point is that we don't think it is weird that Big Ben, Eli, and Phil are still with their original teams 12 years later. But, we do raise an eyebrow that the Panthers have received 8 years from Stewart at RB. That is called "positional longevity." Some spots you expect three contracts. Some you are surprised if they finish their second deal.

So, let's circle back and tie this up in a bow. I am not selecting at No. 4 for need. I am not selecting at No. 4 for a short-term position. But, I am selecting at No. 4 for the type of guy who can perhaps affect the direction of my franchise for the next generation of talent.

That is why I keep coming back to finding my quarterback. If the data tells us that almost all starting QBs -- especially those in the "elite" conversations -- are found in the first round, and if it then tells us that most of them are found high in the first round, then priority No. 1 must be to get the guy who by reasonable projections could be my QB in 2028 -- and it would not seem odd by Roethlisberger/Eli/Rivers-comparable spans. Why does it matter if he plays in 2016? Or even 2017? If the best place to get your next guy is high in the draft, and if picking high in the draft is extremely rare around here, why would anyone resist this fit in a year where the Cowboys may actually have a chance to take the top QB talent in the entire draft? And at a time where Tony Romo does not seem like a cinch to play 16 games in a season ever again?

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Great points by Sturm. We can only hope that Dallas pulls the trigger if Goff or Wentz are there.

Not holding my breath though.

 

[Stash]

LOL @ 10 years of GLOOM and regret, more likely a decade of Clipboard and BUST potential.

There is no consensus Franchise QB in this Draft, the closest thing is a Bus Driver outta Cal.

Keep trying with your baseless, unsupported nonsense. Maybe someday you'll actually get somebody to believe it?

 

[tm1119]

Yeah, let's listen to an Eagle rep and base our draft on what he thinks. Solid reasoning. You guys NEVER cease to amaze me.

Joe Banner has a hell of a lot better track record than anyone in our front office. Id listen to him over Jerry or Stephen any day.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I agree with Banner. And as Sturm said in another article, it's rare to get the #4 spot. And even moreso that there's a good likelihood that 2 of the teams ahead of us won't take a QB.

If the trade rumors with the Jets are true, it makes me think that QB is more of a possibility.

I really wouldn't mind getting Ramsey at #4 and trying to trade away our second round pick (and the 2017 2nd round pick) to move up into the first round again for Paxton Lynch...if he falls.





YR

 

[Stash]

I agree with Banner. And as Sturm said in another article, it's rare to get the #4 spot. And even moreso that there's a good likelihood that 2 of the teams ahead of us won't take a QB.

If the trade rumors with the Jets are true, it makes me think that QB is more of a possibility.

I really wouldn't mind getting Ramsey at #4 and trying to trade away our second round pick (and the 2017 2nd round pick) to move up into the first round again for Paxton Lynch...if he falls.





YR

My personal dream scenario is getting Goff at #4 and trading back into the first round to get Kevin Dodd at #20.