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[tyke1doe]

I acknowledge that if Manziel is a locker-room cancer then he should absolutely be avoided. I don't see that from articles I've read.

Please define "locker-room cancer" and what one would have to do/be to be a "locker-room cancer"?

Thanks.

 

[tyke1doe]

I hope that the media treats this guy as bad as they did Greg Hardy or Ray Rice but I doubt it.

Maybe that will be because Ray Rice was caught on video beating his girlfriend and Hardy had an actually case where a judge found him guilty before his case was ultimately dismissed.

So their situations aren't the same as Johnny Manziel's.

 

[tyke1doe]

Schefter reporting that Ft Worth and Dallas PD are closing their investigations and no charges will be filed. I find it funny people jump the gun at any incident that happens with Manziel. Don't even let the story play out. His gf refused to let the cops take pics of the so called injuries. Where they were, I believe tons of people were around. There would be footage.

Nothing more than gotcha journalism and a fabricated story that everyone jumps at.

How would this ruin his career??

Patterns.

 

[tyke1doe]

Question: Why not sign Johnny when he is available to a contract that requires him to be on a 24/7 leash? Similar to what Dez was on.

Brandon George: You don't think that as much Cleveland invested in Manziel they didn't try everything with him? Look, Manziel has shown no signs of maturing and no remorse along the way. He simply doesn't care. He's too much of a headache at this point. It would be a mistake for the Cowboys to sign Manziel. And, no one at Valley Ranch wants Manziel in the building. But Jerry Jones has ultimate say-so and whether he can pass on him twice remains a question this offseason.

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I think Jerry Jones will lose the locker room if he signs Johnny Manziel.

 

[bounce]

Schefter reporting that Ft Worth and Dallas PD are closing their investigations and no charges will be filed. I find it funny people jump the gun at any incident that happens with Manziel. Don't even let the story play out. His gf refused to let the cops take pics of the so called injuries. Where they were, I believe tons of people were around. There would be footage.

Nothing more than gotcha journalism and a fabricated story that everyone jumps at.

How would this ruin his career??

Because whatever actually happened that evening is irrelevant. He simply can't avoid putting himself in bad situations. Where there's smoke, there's fire. And you can't even see through the smoke around Manziel.

 

[CCBoy]

I think Jerry Jones will lose the locker room if he signs Johnny Manziel.

That's why I feel Jason Garrett should be listened too completely on this very issue.

 

[CCBoy]

Because whatever actually happened that evening is irrelevant. He simply can't avoid putting himself in bad situations. Where there's smoke, there's fire. And you can't even see through the smoke around Manziel.

This dumb blond can't make it in the State of Texas...this isn't the days of the Republic.

 

[gimmesix]

Please define "locker-room cancer" and what one would have to do/be to be a "locker-room cancer"?

Thanks.

I don't know if it is easy to define.

Read about some of the things Charles Haley did during his career and it would be easy to consider him a locker room cancer. Someone who goes around sticking his ***** on teammates or masturbating on them or goes ballistic without warning is not someone I would want to have in the locker room with me. However, Dallas became a Super Bowl contender after adding him as the "final piece."

Someone who is causing division in the locker room or destroying team morale is what I would consider a cancer, but often it depends on the situation. For instance, I think from some of the things I've read that Hardy might have been a locker-room cancer last year. However, if we had had Romo and Dez playing, I don't think him missing meetings and doing his own thing would have affected the locker room much (not sure how much they affected it anyway).

When things are going well, it's easier to tolerate misbehavior and brush it off. When things go sour, misbehavior is magnified.

With Manziel, teammates and his coach were praising him in December his work ethic, his desire to win, etc. Now, the Browns are saying Manziel "undermines the hard work of his teammates." If the Browns had been winning with Manziel, then there would have been concerns expressed by the organization about his behavior, if for not other reason than it is the PR thing to do. However, other than a few dissenters, I have no doubt that his teammates would have continued to defend his work ethic, desire to win, etc.

I don't know if that fully explains what I believe a locker-room cancer is. I kind of look at it like that guy you hate to work with because he's miserable to be around, can't stand his job, isn't willing to work hard, making life tougher on his co-workers. He's a cancer as opposed to the co-worker who shows up at work with a desire to do his job well, to work with his fellow employees to get the job done, but then goes out on a Friday night and gets arrested for doing something stupid. His arrest might affect the workplace because he's not available to work while he's in jail, but you still know that when he is here he's a good co-worker.

Now, you get to a point as an employer and even as an employee where if that behavior is recurring, you can no longer tolerate it because it is affecting the ability of the workplace to get the job done, but it's because the co-worker has proven unreliable.

Manziel has proven unreliable, but I can live with the team exploring on the cheap whether he can turn that around. If had had proven to be someone who makes his teammates miserable, can't stand his job, isn't willing to put the work in, etc., then I would consider him a locker-room cancer.

 

[Rogah]

Please define "locker-room cancer" and what one would have to do/be to be a "locker-room cancer"?

Thanks.

It's like porn: Tough to strictly define in words, but I sure know it when I see it.

 

[tyke1doe]

I don't know if it is easy to define.

Read about some of the things Charles Haley did during his career and it would be easy to consider him a locker room cancer. Someone who goes around sticking his ***** on teammates or masturbating on them or goes ballistic without warning is not someone I would want to have in the locker room with me. However, Dallas became a Super Bowl contender after adding him as the "final piece."

Someone who is causing division in the locker room or destroying team morale is what I would consider a cancer, but often it depends on the situation. For instance, I think from some of the things I've read that Hardy might have been a locker-room cancer last year. However, if we had had Romo and Dez playing, I don't think him missing meetings and doing his own thing would have affected the locker room much (not sure how much they affected it anyway).

When things are going well, it's easier to tolerate misbehavior and brush it off. When things go sour, misbehavior is magnified.

With Manziel, teammates and his coach were praising him in December his work ethic, his desire to win, etc. Now, the Browns are saying Manziel "undermines the hard work of his teammates." If the Browns had been winning with Manziel, then there would have been concerns expressed by the organization about his behavior, if for not other reason than it is the PR thing to do. However, other than a few dissenters, I have no doubt that his teammates would have continued to defend his work ethic, desire to win, etc.

I don't know if that fully explains what I believe a locker-room cancer is. I kind of look at it like that guy you hate to work with because he's miserable to be around, can't stand his job, isn't willing to work hard, making life tougher on his co-workers. He's a cancer as opposed to the co-worker who shows up at work with a desire to do his job well, to work with his fellow employees to get the job done, but then goes out on a Friday night and gets arrested for doing something stupid. His arrest might affect the workplace because he's not available to work while he's in jail, but you still know that when he is here he's a good co-worker.

Now, you get to a point as an employer and even as an employee where if that behavior is recurring, you can no longer tolerate it because it is affecting the ability of the workplace to get the job done, but it's because the co-worker has proven unreliable.

Manziel has proven unreliable, but I can live with the team exploring on the cheap whether he can turn that around. If had had proven to be someone who makes his teammates miserable, can't stand his job, isn't willing to put the work in, etc., then I would consider him a locker-room cancer.

Thanks for the explanation.

The term "locker-room cancer" probably doesn't have one definite meaning. However, in Johnny's case, I think he would be a "locker-room cancer". How so?

Basically a team would be rewarding his behavior by signing him onto the squad and drawing unnecessary attention. So now your star players and your average players are having to answer questions about what it's like to have Johnny Football on your team? And that can cause resentment as well as foster the mindset that your owner and coaches only care about the attention a player can create not necessarily what a player can do on the field.

 

[NIBGoldenchild]

When your agent drops you, your career is pretty much over. Sports agents will usually put up with any type of immoral behavior as long as they can still make money off of you. His agent dropping him signals that his agent knew there are zero teams willing to give Manziel a second shot on their roster. So he's cutting him lose so his phone can stop blowing up with media people wanting a quote every time Johnny does something stupid.

 

[mldardy]

Maybe that will be because Ray Rice was caught on video beating his girlfriend and Hardy had an actually case where a judge found him guilty before his case was ultimately dismissed.

So their situations aren't the same as Johnny Manziel's.

They are the same situations. They all involve domestic violence/domestic disputes. The media didn't kow all of the details of Greg Hardy not even a few days after that incident and were already labeling him a monster and the same with Rice BEFORE the tape. In this Manziel situation, he didn't get charged, there was stuff in the report that is blacked out and the woman didn't want to file charges or just didn't both very similar to Hardy. Manziel continues not to get charged, he is being protected to the max and the media going all in on the 'he needs help' bs. Where was this he needs help stuff for Hardy or Rice. Manziel has had repeated incidents and nothing happens to him. It's not being treated as the same when they are the exact same situations. That's my point. Don't give me this bs that they aren't the same. They are exactly the same.

 

[gimmesix]

Thanks for the explanation.

The term "locker-room cancer" probably doesn't have one definite meaning. However, in Johnny's case, I think he would be a "locker-room cancer". How so?

Basically a team would be rewarding his behavior by signing him onto the squad and drawing unnecessary attention. So now your star players and your average players are having to answer questions about what it's like to have Johnny Football on your team? And that can cause resentment as well as foster the mindset that your owner and coaches only care about the attention a player can create not necessarily what a player can do on the field.

I don't know. I think players follow the money. I don't think they would look at a minimum deal as "rewarding his behavior." I think they would look at his behavior as causing him to receive a minimum deal. I think it would show that the coaches and owner do care about what the player shows on the field and off the field because they haven't committed anything more than a "show me" deal.

I do agree that it brings unwanted attention and questions, but I don't know how much players care about that. Some probably would even like it that the "negative" attention is not on them.

You hear players say all the time that this is a business and I think they would look at this as a business decision, getting something that would be expensive for cheap because it is damaged goods.

I think how Manziel behaves in the locker room would be the only thing that affected the other players, but maybe I'm wrong and they care about more than that.

 

[CCBoy]

It's like porn: Tough to strictly define in words, but I sure know it when I see it.

Socially redeemable features

 

[tyke1doe]

They are the same situations. They all involve domestic violence/domestic disputes. The media didn't kow all of the details of Greg Hardy not even a few days after that incident and were already labeling him a monster and the same with Rice BEFORE the tape. In this Manziel situation, he didn't get charged, there was stuff in the report that is blacked out and the woman didn't want to file charges or just didn't both very similar to Hardy. Manziel continues not to get charged, he is being protected to the max and the media going all in on the 'he needs help' bs. Where was this he needs help stuff for Hardy or Rice. Manziel has had repeated incidents and nothing happens to him. It's not being treated as the same when they are the exact same situations. That's my point. Don't give me this bs that they aren't the same. They are exactly the same.

Sorry, but they AREN'T the same. And I've explained to you why and why the reaction to the two compared to Johnny Manziel isn't the same.

It's like arguing self-defense and murder by saying killing a person is killing a person. There are degrees based on the situation.

 

[tyke1doe]

I don't know. I think players follow the money. I don't think they would look at a minimum deal as "rewarding his behavior." I think they would look at his behavior as causing him to receive a minimum deal. I think it would show that the coaches and owner do care about what the player shows on the field and off the field because they haven't committed anything more than a "show me" deal.

I do agree that it brings unwanted attention and questions, but I don't know how much players care about that. Some probably would even like it that the "negative" attention is not on them.

You hear players say all the time that this is a business and I think they would look at this as a business decision, getting something that would be expensive for cheap because it is damaged goods.

I think how Manziel behaves in the locker room would be the only thing that affected the other players, but maybe I'm wrong and they care about more than that.

I disagree. Players can be very petty and very particular. And if Johnny is perceived as having been born with a silver spoon in his mouth compared to an inner city who had to fight to make his way to the NFL, you can best believe there would be some resentment.

 

[mldardy]

Sorry, but they AREN'T the same. And I've explained to you why and why the reaction to the two compared to Johnny Manziel isn't the same.

It's like arguing self-defense and murder by saying killing a person is killing a person. There are degrees based on the situation.

And I've explained that they ARE the same. Just handled differently by the police and the media. I explained that very thoroughly and clear. Me and you have been back on forth on things and you love to keep going on and on. I'm not doing it with you this time. They are the same. End of discussion at least for me. You can talk to yourself for the rest of this. I said what I had to say and I'm not changing my views.

 

[gimmesix]

I disagree. Players can be very petty and very particular. And if Johnny is perceived as having been born with a silver spoon in his mouth compared to an inner city who had to fight to make his way to the NFL, you can best believe there would be some resentment.

I agree that some players can be very petty and particular. Those are the ones who usually cause problems ... like TO. I don't think most players would resent him having partying issues as long as he works hard on the practice field.

I do think the domestic violence information changes things. There are a lot of players who do have issues, especially with the NFL increasing awareness, with men hitting women. I think that showed last year with Hardy.

 

[Roadtrip635]

With all the issues, real or media induced, he's not worth a roster spot right now. He's got to clean himself, and to a certain extant, his image up. His family has tried to get him into rehab a couple times this week, which is a bad sign in itself. There won't be any teams lined up to sign him, when he gets cut, he needs to get his life straightened out before any team will even consider taking a chance on him.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I think Jerry Jones will lose the locker room if he signs Johnny Manziel.

He'll probably lose more than that.