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[KJJ]

any this is yours. I don't think we disagree for the most part but again as Owner and GM Jerry can do what he wants , no one is going to make him do anything not even Stephen. It was in the end Jerry choice to take the advice or not but if he wants to no one is going to over rule Jerry and that is fact.

It was not Jerry who won on Ware it was Jeff Ireland, both BP and Ireland had a difference on the selection and Jerry choose to go with Irelands opinion.

Everyone knows Jerry can do what he wants and all anyone around him can do is try and talk him out of certain decisions but in the end he makes the decision. There's no disputing that. The fact that Jerry was about to put Manziel's name on the card points to there being some arm twisting by Stephen because the Cowboys had plenty of time to talk over things with Chicago and Pittsburg who were picking at #14 and #15 not needing a QB.

Reports were Jerry and Stephen almost came to blows over TO who Stephen wanted gone after the 08 season. Immediately after the 08 season Jerry said TO would be back but changed his tune because Stephen has become a bigger influence over the years. He's taking on more and more every year and Jerry is listening to him.

 

[irishline]

Doubt Canada lets him in.

They owe us one for giving us Beiber.

Let's hope we can cash in on that.

 

[DandyDon1722]

Doug flutie is half the size but twice as good as Manziel will ever be.

Yeah I agree - but I do believe it's a good option for him if he wants to play football.

 

[Doomsday101]

Maybe. But he won't be the first NFL player to have one. Help can keep him from making a very public fool of himself at the very least, but he has to be willing to accept having a nanny.

I would just say I would stay away from any player who requires a nanny. This team needs mental strength and toughness not players who are unable to control their own lives.

 

[Doomsday101]

Everyone knows Jerry can do what he wants and all anyone around him can do is try and talk him out of certain decisions but in the end he makes the decision. There's no disputing that. The fact that Jerry was about to put Manziel's name on the card points to there being some arm twisting by Stephen because the Cowboys had plenty of time to talk over things with Chicago and Pittsburg who were picking at #14 and #15 not needing a QB.

Reports were Jerry and Stephen almost came to blows over TO who Stephen wanted gone after the 08 season. Immediately after the 08 season Jerry said TO would be back but changed his tune because Stephen has become a bigger influence over the years. He's taking on more and more every year and Jerry is listening to him.

Then people should be happy as we both agree Jerry can do what he wants, the fact he does listen to others and not just doing what ever he feels is a good thing. Seems all we disagree on is how much arm twisting was involved. lol

 

[darthseinfeld]

Can we rename this thread Manzielmania?

 

[gimmesix]

I would just say I would stay away from any player who requires a nanny. This team needs mental strength and toughness not players who are unable to control their own lives.

So you would have stayed away from Dez? In 2012, he agreed to several rules including a rotating three-man security team with one staying with him at all times. The rules, though, were the idea of Bryant and his agents, according to reports.

Not comparing the players at all, but sometimes players can get help controlling their personal issues and still contribute to their team. Now, Manziel plays the position where mental strength and toughness are absolutely necessary, so there is that to consider.

 

[Doomsday101]

So you would have stayed away from Dez? In 2012, he agreed to several rules including a rotating three-man security team with one staying with him at all times. The rules, though, were the idea of Bryant and his agents, according to reports.

Not comparing the players at all, but sometimes players can get help controlling their personal issues and still contribute to their team. Now, Manziel plays the position where mental strength and toughness are absolutely necessary, so there is that to consider.

Let me ask what did Dez do? I think there were maturity issues but I don't want to make it a practice of having to hire nanny for every player. These are grown men making millions I expect them to act like it and if they do not have the mental toughness to handle simple every day life then they do not need to be on this team. This is the NFL not day care.

If not mistaken Dez is not longer using a baby sitter.

 

[gimmesix]

Let me ask what did Dez do? I think there were maturity issues but I don't want to make it a practice of having to hire nanny for every player. These are grown men making millions I expect them to act like it and if they do not have the mental toughness to handle simple every day life then they do not need to be on this team. This is the NFL not day care.

If not mistaken Dez is not longer using a baby sitter.

Dez had been charged with assaulting his mother. The charges were dropped with Dez being required to attend counseling and avoid trouble for a year. His rules and "nanny" continued to remain in place for a year or so after that.

I don't think the issues that Manziel has are that dissimilar to the ones Bryant has had. They all stem from immaturity and ego.

Although these are grown men, some of them still have plenty of growing to do. The question is, from the NFL perspective, whether the trouble a team has to endure while they grow up is worth the talent they possess. With Manziel, I don't believe it is ... but I'm not going to be upset if Dallas decides it wants to find out for the right price. There are plenty of examples of players who showed immaturity and eventually grew out of it (Michael Irvin is one I can think of). Of course, most of them also showed talent even during those immature times and Manziel hasn't proven he has the talent to be worth the trouble.

 

[Doomsday101]

Dez had been charged with assaulting his mother. The charges were dropped with Dez being required to attend counseling and avoid trouble for a year. His rules and "nanny" continued to remain in place for a year or so after that.

I don't think the issues that Manziel has are that dissimilar to the ones Bryant has had. They all stem from immaturity and ego.

Although these are grown men, some of them still have plenty of growing to do. The question is, from the NFL perspective, whether the trouble a team has to endure while they grow up is worth the talent they possess. With Manziel, I don't believe it is ... but I'm not going to be upset if Dallas decides it wants to find out for the right price. There are plenty of examples of players who showed immaturity and eventually grew out of it (Michael Irvin is one I can think of). Of course, most of them also showed talent even during those immature times and Manziel hasn't proven he has the talent to be worth the trouble.

I think they guy has a drinking problem, people who go into rehab then are out and back partying and drinking is not a sign that he has things under control and in my view goes beyond just immaturity issues.

 

[gimmesix]

I think they guy has a drinking problem, people who go into rehab then are out and back partying and drinking is not a sign that he has things under control and in my view goes beyond just immaturity issues.

It would appear that he does. The question if the team does sign him is whether he recognizes that he needs help. Would he come in with a plan or accept one to address his problem?

The risk would be that he doesn't follow through on such a plan. If Dallas only commits the vet minimum to him, though, it mitigates the risk because it can cut him without paying a price. Now, if Dallas picks him up and allows that to disrupt any other plans that it has at QB, then the risk isn't worth it ... because I don't think we can be sure there will be a reward playingwise even if he straightens out his behavior.

 

[Doomsday101]

It would appear that he does. The question if the team does sign him is whether he recognizes that he needs help. Would he come in with a plan or accept one to address his problem?

The risk would be that he doesn't follow through on such a plan. If Dallas only commits the vet minimum to him, though, it mitigates the risk because it can cut him without paying a price. Now, if Dallas picks him up and allows that to disrupt any other plans that it has at QB, then the risk isn't worth it ... because I don't think we can be sure there will be a reward playingwise even if he straightens out his behavior.

I think this is a matter he should seek help before he plays football. Evidently he does not think it is a problem and continues, add that to the life style the NFL affords these guys I think it is a disaster waiting to happen.

Meantime Dallas has a lot of work ahead of them if they expect to compete and dealing with a problem guy like Manziel I think would be a big mistake, Cowboys have enough on their plate without him

 

[joseephuss]

So you would have stayed away from Dez? In 2012, he agreed to several rules including a rotating three-man security team with one staying with him at all times. The rules, though, were the idea of Bryant and his agents, according to reports.

Not comparing the players at all, but sometimes players can get help controlling their personal issues and still contribute to their team. Now, Manziel plays the position where mental strength and toughness are absolutely necessary, so there is that to consider.

I think there is a huge difference between playing WR and QB, which doesn't make it an equal comparison. As you said the QB position requires mental strength and toughness. In addition, Dez actually has top quality NFL talent. Manziel doesn't.

 

[gimmesix]

I think this is a matter he should seek help before he plays football. Evidently he does not think it is a problem and continues, add that to the life style the NFL affords these guys I think it is a disaster waiting to happen.

Meantime Dallas has a lot of work ahead of them if they expect to compete and dealing with a problem guy like Manziel I think would be a big mistake, Cowboys have enough on their plate without him

I don't think it's as big of a deal to have to deal with him if he's a backup being paid the minimum. Frankly, there's not enough invested in him to let him cause headaches and stay on the roster that way.

I'm not worried about a disaster with a guy the team would be looking at but not really counting on. I mean, Dallas had more invested in Randle this year and tossed him aside without much ado when he proved unreliable.

I agree that he needs help. I just don't think it's a big deal if Dallas signs him for the minimum. Either he'll accept that help and follow the rules or he'll screw up and be gone.

I'm a risk vs. reward kind of guy and I don't really see much risk ... unless Dallas invests guaranteed money or would allow signing Manziel to prevent it from pursuing other QB options. I'm not sure I see much reward, either, so I could certainly live without the signing.

 

[gimmesix]

I think there is a huge difference between playing WR and QB, which doesn't make it an equal comparison. As you said the QB position requires mental strength and toughness. In addition, Dez actually has top quality NFL talent. Manziel doesn't.

There is a huge difference. However, I have seen no indications that Manziel wasn't a team leader on the field while he was at Texas A&M. There have been other QBs who have had off-field problems but were still able to be leaders on the field.

Of course, the ones who succeeded also were talented and that's the question with Manziel.

 

[joseephuss]

There is a huge difference. However, I have seen no indications that Manziel wasn't a team leader on the field while he was at Texas A&M. There have been other QBs who have had off-field problems but were still able to be leaders on the field.

Of course, the ones who succeeded also were talented and that's the question with Manziel.

I personally don't think he is that talented. The off field issues just cement him not being worth it in my opinion.

 

[gimmesix]

I personally don't think he is that talented. The off field issues just cement him not being worth it in my opinion.

That's fair. Like I've said, I could live with it either way. I'm not going to get upset with the team taking a low-cost flyer on him, but I'm also not going to expect much if they do.

 

[visionary]

It would appear that he does. The question if the team does sign him is whether he recognizes that he needs help. Would he come in with a plan or accept one to address his problem?

The risk would be that he doesn't follow through on such a plan. If Dallas only commits the vet minimum to him, though, it mitigates the risk because it can cut him without paying a price. Now, if Dallas picks him up and allows that to disrupt any other plans that it has at QB, then the risk isn't worth it ... because I don't think we can be sure there will be a reward playingwise even if he straightens out his behavior.

When will you guys ever learn about building a team?

 

[visionary]

I think there is a huge difference between playing WR and QB, which doesn't make it an equal comparison. As you said the QB position requires mental strength and toughness. In addition, Dez actually has top quality NFL talent. Manziel doesn't.

While that is true even that WR is a constant distraction to the team

 

[big dog cowboy]

I think there is a huge difference between playing WR and QB, which doesn't make it an equal comparison. As you said the QB position requires mental strength and toughness. In addition, Dez actually has top quality NFL talent. Manziel doesn't.

I personally don't think he is that talented. The off field issues just cement him not being worth it in my opinion.

Both posts.