News: Josh Brent to meet with Goodell

[Beast_from_East]

He has not been clean since the crash, so how can the commissioner even consider him?

Only way is with a wrist monitor or weekly drug tests. Could even get an ignition lock on his car, you blow into the unit and if your blood alcohol is above the legal limit your car will not start.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Under Goddell, Ray Rice got 2 games for beating a woman, Rothlisberger got 6 games for rape allegations, even though he was never officially charged due to lack of evidence, and Adam Pacman Jones got a 1 yr suspension for being at a bar shooting.

Getting drunk and killing a teammate is at least a year given these prior occurrences, but who knows for sure. My money is on a 1 yr suspension and mandatory counseling. Probably will have to wear an alcohol wrist band that measures your blood alcohol constantly and if he goes above the legal limit his suspension is lengthened.

Jones, Rice and Roethlisberger did not miss games from being in jail. Jones got the year suspension after what was his third offense since entering the league. In fact the one year suspended sentence got jones a 16 game suspension.

Goodell is completely arbitrary in meting out punishment so you could end up being right but the condemnation of Brent is not nearly as widespread as it was for the guys you mention and I think Goodell uses that as his basis first and foremost.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Only way is with a wrist monitor or weekly drug tests. Could even get an ignition lock on his car, you blow into the unit and if your blood alcohol is above the legal limit your car will not start.

Where are you getting any of this from?

Is there any indication that the league has ever done this type of thing before? I am pretty sure they have not.

 

[The Quest for Six]

Just cut the cord from this guy and move on.....He's already had numerous chances.....

 

[CCBoy]

In the real world, a family has to deal with the degree of culpable at a base level shown. The NFL is another story.

The Dallas franchise has a strong and multi-decade path of providing services to it's players experiencing need. They haven't made it easy on themselves, in acquiring problems to overcome, if a player commits to fighting his own personal demons.

This says a lot for Jerry Jones and where he stands as a man...the man has some guts and puts his wallet where his mouth is.

This has to be felt out through Goodell and the supporting cast of owners, first.

 

[Bullflop]

I feel about as certain as night follows day that Goodell will decide on his own what to do with Brent, regardless of what this forum or the Cowboys organization thinks should occur. I'm reasonably confident that he'll also be exposed to more of the cold, hard facts regarding this case than any of us are likely to see. Brent's future rests in the hands of those who are now charged with deciding his fate due to his own negligence. Here's hoping justice is done. Brent doesn't deserve anything more nor less.

 

[DallasEast]

I feel about as certain as night follows day that Goodell will decide on his own what to do with Brent, regardless of what this forum or the Cowboys organization thinks should occur. I'm reasonably confident that he'll also be exposed to more of the cold, hard facts regarding this case than any of us are likely to see. Brent's future rests in the hands of those who are now charged with deciding his fate due to his own negligence. Here's hoping justice is done. Brent doesn't deserve anything more nor less.

Good post, albeit I do not agree with the hoping justice is done part in regards to NFL discipline. Josh Brent has undergone arrests, trials, convictions, incarcerations, and probations. Whether it has been under served, over served, or fell somewhere in-between, justice has been dispensed. In my opinion, the justice process ends there.

Any NFL discipline he receives shall serve as a career reminder for himself and his peers. Any discipline he or other players receive may be deemed perfect or far from perfect by observers. The personal conduct policy is devoid of codified rules for infractions. Outsiders, including the players, do not know what the commissioner considers appropriate punishment. It is the lack of certainty for how punishment will be given out is what I agree with most.

Any past or current punishments, which prompt future players to pause and contemplate for a moment about taking a questionable action, is most welcome. For the most part, players have worked extremely hard to reach the NFL. It is pathetic how such accomplishment gets diminished or thrown aside in avoidable moments of personal ignorance, callousness, or sometimes plain indifference. Personally, I'm glad Goodell pisses some people off to high heaven about the punishments he hands out. I hope the players feel the exact same way. If it implants deep enough within their consciousness, perhaps the resentment for Goodell's irregular punishments will cause just one player to second-guess doing something they may regret later. That's a win-win in my book.

 

[CCBoy]

Good post, albeit I do not agree with the hoping justice is done part in regards to NFL discipline. Josh Brent has undergone arrests, trials, convictions, incarcerations, and probations. Whether it has been under served, over served, or fell somewhere in-between, justice has been dispensed. In my opinion, the justice process ends there.

Any NFL discipline he receives shall serve as a career reminder for himself and his peers. Any discipline he or other players receive may be deemed perfect or far from perfect by observers. The personal conduct policy is devoid of codified rules for infractions. Outsiders, including the players, do not know what the commissioner considers appropriate punishment. It is the lack of certainty for how punishment will be given out is what I agree with most.

Any past or current punishments, which prompt future players to pause and contemplate for a moment about taking a questionable action, is most welcome. For the most part, players have worked extremely hard to reach the NFL. It is pathetic how such accomplishment gets diminished or thrown aside in avoidable moments of personal ignorance, callousness, or sometimes plain indifference. Personally, I'm glad Goodell pisses some people off to high heaven about the punishments he hands out. I hope the players feel the exact same way. If it implants deep enough within their consciousness, perhaps the resentment for Goodell's irregular punishments will cause just one player to second-guess doing something they may regret later. That's a win-win in my book.

It's not like these young adults haven't weathered a degree of the walk while in college. Gone into the NFL and received a symposium based upon surviving in the NFL and all the traps and problems they can encounter as symbols of privilege and glamor.

Foolish is not restricted to criminals and degenerates of society.

 

[Bullflop]

Good post, albeit I do not agree with the hoping justice is done part in regards to NFL discipline. Josh Brent has undergone arrests, trials, convictions, incarcerations, and probations. Whether it has been under served, over served, or fell somewhere in-between, justice has been dispensed. In my opinion, the justice process ends there.

Any NFL discipline he receives shall serve as a career reminder for himself and his peers. Any discipline he or other players receive may be deemed perfect or far from perfect by observers. The personal conduct policy is devoid of codified rules for infractions. Outsiders, including the players, do not know what the commissioner considers appropriate punishment. It is the lack of certainty for how punishment will be given out is what I agree with most.

Any past or current punishments, which prompt future players to pause and contemplate for a moment about taking a questionable action, is most welcome. For the most part, players have worked extremely hard to reach the NFL. It is pathetic how such accomplishment gets diminished or thrown aside in avoidable moments of personal ignorance, callousness, or sometimes plain indifference. Personally, I'm glad Goodell pisses some people off to high heaven about the punishments he hands out. I hope the players feel the exact same way. If it implants deep enough within their consciousness, perhaps the resentment for Goodell's irregular punishments will cause just one player to second-guess doing something they may regret later. That's a win-win in my book.

Regardless of where the justice begins and ends, Brent's fate isn't totally decided as yet. I think we can all agree on that. With that, what I'm trying to say is that I hope Goodell does the right thing by Brent and all concerned. I wasn't limiting "justice" to merely the governmental system but system of an entire society as well, which includes the NFL. Brent took his chances when he was negligent. Hopefully, he'll turn his life around and recover from his past mistakes. I'm sure Goodell will do what he feels is best and so will the C'boys organization.

 

[CCBoy]

Regardless of where the justice begins and ends, Brent's fate isn't totally decided as yet. I think we can all agree on that.

True, and he already has a significant niche carved out in the sport of football. It is now up to him to carve his own path in it...

 

[big dog cowboy]

Personally, I'm glad Goodell pisses some people off to high heaven about the punishments he hands out.

So Ray Rice didn't deserve more than 2 games? Because Goodell pretty much pissed everyone off with that decision.

 

[CCBoy]

So Ray Rice didn't deserve more than 2 games? Because Goodell pretty much pissed everyone off with that decision.

I'll bite...no, he deserves 6 months in lockup

 

[scooper]

Just say no!!!

 

[jazzcat22]

Heard Mike Fisher on the Fan this morning. From what he knew and found out. The Jones family, in order to keep Brent's mind focused and instead of sitting around and playing video games, wearing his ankle bracelt, having nothing to do.
They employed him, probably at minimum wage in one of their warehouses, he thought driving a forklift. This keeps him occupied and focused. It shows their committment to at least supporting him, but doesn't mean anything about coming back to football yet.

 

[DallasEast]

So Ray Rice didn't deserve more than 2 games? Because Goodell pretty much pissed everyone off with that decision.

My opinion? I would have suspended Ray Rice for the season. Josh Brent? 2016 would be the earliest I would consider reinstating him. Good thing I'm not the commissioner , but punishment severity is not my point. Not knowing what the hell heck Goodell will hand out as punishment is. For instance, take this scenario:

Player is on the edge of losing it with his wife or girlfriend. In that split second before the physical abuse starts, the thought flashes through his mind... "Goodell's going to dock two game checks like he did with Rice. Or maybe it will be four? Shoot, I may not see six of them. Crap! I just don't know. It's not worth it. I'll punch the wall instead. Good idea! BAM! ow."

In my opinion, professional athletes require more than standard threats to ward off their stupidity. I think they need a little extra, something that makes them go hmmm. It's just my opinion though.

 

[AbeBeta]

Common sense?

Common sense tells me that Googell can do whatever he wants. its not really common because most people have not read the league mandated player contracts that gives him that authority.

Really when i hear people talk about 'common sense' it is typically because they lack the capacity to articulate a valid basis. Instead you appeal to the multitudes that comprise the 'common man.' Thing is you don't get to speak for anyone other than yourself and the appeal to bandwagon is a fallacy in and of itself.

that is besides the point. The point is that multiple sources with access to Cowboys and league sources have said that the Cowboys are arguing and the league is amenable to the idea that since he was arrested he has missed 20 games already and further punishing him serves no purpose.

Let's see. Brent killed someone while driving drunk. He then failed a court-mandated drug test. He then went to jail.

No punishment from the league is an absurd stance. Following the Ray Rice fallout, we aren't going to see another PR nightmare.

 

[burmafrd]

The NFL after the Ray Rice fiasco is going to unload on the next poor SOB that screws up.

Personally I think Ray Rice should spend 6 months in jail and have his hands broken so someone else has to wipe his rear end when he takes a crap. But that is just me.

 

[erod]

Even with no punishment, he is likely to be sentenced to the practice squad. I wonder how far he is from being physically and mentally NFL competitive.

He is not eligible for the practice squad.

 

[trickblue]

Larry Little served an eight game suspension for killing a woman in a DUI accident and he was a habitual offender...

 

[Hoofbite]

Larry Little served an eight game suspension for killing a woman in a DUI accident and he was a habitual offender...

Leonard?