Josh Gordon rated higher than Dez at #16 on Top 100

I see nothing wrong with Gordon being higher than Dez based on last season. That's an accurate assessment in my book. Part of the problem could have been Dez's lack of targets in some games but at the end of the day Josh Gordon, had 3-4 games of 200 yards plus in a row.
 
My question is is Gordaon that good or is it the Detroit Lion Effect, ie they were always down and need to pass early and often to get back in it. Sort of how the horrible Lions team and playing from behind so much mad RW11 look better than he really was.
 
Gordon is a pretty good player. I don't mind him being higher than Dez.

Just got through with his film and he is the least covered guy I've reviewed so far (I still have Alshon to go, although when I was watching Marshall, it didn't seem like Alshon drew much attention.)

So he put up great numbers without facing too much adversity. That said, the numbers were still so insane, it really just doesn't matter. There have been many players who faced the same kind of respect (or lack thereof) who have not put up numbers like that. 2012 Dez is one of them. And 2012 Dez had a much better QB throwing to him.

Great downfield threat because of his height and deceptive speed. A lot of times CBs feel like they've got him nice and pinned to the sideline, but he'll get over the top of them on the outside. Excellent, excellent spatial awareness and foot work when making the catch.
 
KJJ said:
I never watch the Top 100 list but isn't it based on how the players performed each season?
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I thought it was based on the expectations on how they'll perform in the 2014 season (hence Top 100 Players of 2014). In that case, I don't really see how someone can be rated the 16th best player in the NFL in 2014 if they likely won't even play in 2014.

If these ratings are based on 2013 performance, then the name of the list is extremely misleading.
 
I wouldn't worry to much about this. It will all change after this year. Gordon will be spending time at home for awhile after his suspension is handed down. That should help rectify the situation.
 
Gordon had the most receiving yards in the league and he was suspended prior to the beginning of the season. Gordon had the better year. Sure, i'd rather have Dez but Gordon did have a better year.
 
guag said:
I thought it was based on the expectations on how they'll perform in the 2014 season (hence Top 100 Players of 2014). In that case, I don't really see how someone can be rated the 16th best player in the NFL in 2014 if they likely won't even play in 2014.

If these ratings are based on 2013 performance, then the name of the list is extremely misleading.
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That must not be the criteria than. Clearly its based on what they did last year. How can we judge what someone will do next season without seeing them play? Did Clowney make the list?
 
rocyaice said:
That must not be the criteria than. Clearly its based on what they did last year. How can we judge what someone will do next season without seeing them play? Did Clowney make the list?
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Exactly, which is why I think the "Top 100 Players of 2014" list title is misleading.
 
guag said:
Exactly, which is why I think the "Top 100 Players of 2014" list title is misleading.
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Oh they actually call it that? That can be misleading. I think the 2014 is moreso based on when the show is airing than based on the 2014 season. But that can be misleading.
 
Fantasy Football and discussions like this speak volumes about the devolving of football from where it once was.

But please, carry on. LOL
 
Gordon's numbers are inflated because when you play for a loser, your team is always behind and is forced to throw the ball around the yard.

It's like Roy Williams before he came to Dallas, when you're down 35-7, of course your receivers are going to put up big, useless, statistics.
 
guag said:
I thought it was based on the expectations on how they'll perform in the 2014 season (hence Top 100 Players of 2014). In that case, I don't really see how someone can be rated the 16th best player in the NFL in 2014 if they likely won't even play in 2014.

If these ratings are based on 2013 performance, then the name of the list is extremely misleading.
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The list is based on a players performance the previous season and the belief on how they will perform the upcoming season.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Top_100
 
Apollo Creed said:
Gordon's numbers are inflated because when you play for a loser, your team is always behind and is forced to throw the ball around the yard.

It's like Roy Williams before he came to Dallas, when you're down 35-7, of course your receivers are going to put up big, useless, statistics.
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I wouldn't say his numbers are too inflated though.

Hist total yardage when trailing is 3rd behind Garcon and Alshon Jeffrey, and yeah he had 1,013 of his 1,646 yards when the Browns were behind by at least 1 point, which is roughly 62% of his total yardage.

But targets? 52% of his targets were when the team was down by at least 1. That's pretty darn equal.

Gordon % of production when trailing:
Rec: 57% / TA: 52% / Yds: 62% / TDs: 77%
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Bryant of 2012 was a much bigger offender:

Rec: 68.4% / TA: 68.8% / Yds: 70.9% / TDs: 83%
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The list is based on the 2013 season, but it airs in 2014 hence the title, as misleading as it can be.

The one thing I do enjoy about it are the comments from the players themselves.

Gordon may have faced single coverage more often than not, but at the end of the day, 200 yards 4 times in a row is still 200 yards 4 times in a row.

A buddy of mine is friend's with Dion Lewis (RB) whos friends with Josh. Josh's weed problem is actually pretty serious. He was telling me how they kept trying to urge him to lay low until after June because apparently that's when the tests are over. But apparently he has a serious issue with it. I was told of this back in January so when the news came out of his suspension, I wasn't the least bit surprised. They were in my hometown not too long ago and apparently he was puffing it then too.

It's a shame because he has alot of potential.
 
Apollo Creed said:
Gordon's numbers are inflated because when you play for a loser, your team is always behind and is forced to throw the ball around the yard.

It's like Roy Williams before he came to Dallas, when you're down 35-7, of course your receivers are going to put up big, useless, statistics.
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Roy Williams only had one 1000 yard season before he came to Dallas. Take away his 1310 yard season in 06 and he never had more than 838 receiving yards in Detroit. To Gordon's credit it's not easy putting up over 1600 yards playing with 3 different QB's.
 
guag said:
So I guess this list was compiled prior to Gordon failing his 2nd drug test and looking at a big suspension.
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I wouldn't know but it's the players who voted and they probably only took into account his performance last season.
 
NJ22 said:
The list is based on last year. Gordon was the best wr in the game last year. This is not a surprise. Gordon did what he did with no QB as well. He might have had 2000 yards with Romo.
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The list is based on whatever crosses a voter's mind when he has a blank ballot.

The spring following the season Peyton Manning missed due to injury, he landed enough votes to end up at number 50.

NFL Network's rules that govern the annual list are dubious to say the least.
 
erod said:
Fantasy Football and discussions like this speak volumes about the devolving of football from where it once was.

But please, carry on. LOL
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You're insulting fantasy football by comparing it with the NFL Top 100. :)
 
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