Josh McDaniels

[BleedinBlue]

Josh McDaniels pulls his own weight. The SB against the Seahawks Bill walks over to Josh and tells him he needs to change things up that the Pats were running out of time. The Patriots come back and win with no one holding his hand. He's the OC and calls his own plays.

 

[Zekeats]

While still on Belichecks staff. And remind me of what he actually won with Matt Cassell? Want to try again?

11 games with the Pats in 08. More important question is what has Cassel won without McDaniels?

 

[TheDude]

And that coach proceeded to completely dismantle that team while failing to identify a starting QB (or assemble any level of talent on his own) eventually walking of into the sunset to the broadcasting booth and bamboozling the entire planet into thinking he was a football genius.

It worked. there are still fools that think he's a football God while he's actually destroying the franchise he's currently in control of by dealing away the best two players (both high 1st rounders) on his roster for a couple of late 1st round picks and a prayer that he might find two more to replace 50% of their production.

Sounds like a solid plan.

NOt endorsing Gruden. By hook or crook, TB couldnt get over - Fired DUngy and Hired Gruden. Gruden got his SB. The aftermath is true but he does have a ring

 

[Zekeats]

He won what? He went 8-8 year one.

Then went 3-9 the next season.

That idiot McDaniels used Denver’s first round pick on Tebow as well. LOL.

Tebow shouldn't have won 1 game. Doesn't matter, head coach he isn't. OC he is and the best one at that. Single handedly won the SB against the Falcons.

 

[exciter]

Stephen says Jerry is serious about winning. Ok, Jerry.....you should now see what it takes.....you back up the Brinks truck for McDaniels, and get rid of that red headed goof ball that we've had to endure for almost 10 wasted seasons. We are currently a LONG ways off from what we saw today in both games!!!

The same Josh McDaniels that was a massive flop and disaster in Denver?

 

[skinsscalper]

11 games with the Pats in 08. More important question is what has Cassel won without McDaniels?

Roughly the same that McDaniels has won without Belicheck, no?

 

[BleedinBlue]

The same Josh McDaniels that was a massive flop and disaster in Denver?

yeah coaching with Bill whom did the same thing in Cleveland.

 

[foofighters]

If you are serious about winning, why do you fire a Head Coach with a winning record who clearly has the respect of the players?

Because...Super Bowls.

Not 6th place one and done in the playoffs trophies.

 

[Sydla]

11 games with the Pats in 08. More important question is what has Cassel won without McDaniels?

He took the Chiefs to the playoffs in 2010.

Whoops.

 

[Kaiser]

NOt endorsing Gruden. By hook or crook, TB couldnt get over - Fired DUngy and Hired Gruden. Gruden got his SB. The aftermath is true but he does have a ring

So does Dungy, the guy they fired. So the argument can definitely be made that TB gets a ring with either guy.

And I haven't looked, but I haven't seen anyone post a second example of firing a winning coach and then going to the Super Bowl.

 

[Sydla]

Tebow shouldn't have won 1 game. Doesn't matter, head coach he isn't. OC he is and the best one at that. Single handedly won the SB against the Falcons.

Isn’t that the premise of this thread?

McDaniels for head coach?

 

[Sydla]

So does Dungy, the guy they fired. So the argument can definitely be made that TB gets a ring with either guy.

And I haven't looked, but I haven't seen anyone post a second example of firing a winning coach and then going to the Super Bowl.

Do you mean in the season right after a coaching change?

Kubiak won a SB the year after Elway pushed Fox out the door in Denver.

Technically, Chip Kelly was 26-21 in Philly. They fired him and two years later won a SB.

Ravens fired Billick, who had a winning record overall in Baltimore and the next season Harbaugh had them in an AFCCG. They won a SB by year 5 (that’s stretching the time frame for sure though).

 

[SSoup]

Dallas fans: Ugh, can we get a real offensive coach up in here?

Also Dallas fans: Hire the dum-dum who spent a 1st rounder on Tim Tebow, please and thank you.

 

[TheDude]

So does Dungy, the guy they fired. So the argument can definitely be made that TB gets a ring with either guy.

And I haven't looked, but I haven't seen anyone post a second example of firing a winning coach and then going to the Super Bowl.

John Fox and Kubiak

 

[Kaiser]

John Fox and Kubiak

That's a better example but after the first year Kubiak went to the SB he 20-28 over three seasons and never finished higher than 3rd in his Division.

And Fox had a losing record in two of his three HC jobs.

 

[JustChip]

Mcdaniels is a ****** bag that actually advocated drafting Tim Tebow. Belicheck makes him look like ten times the coach he actually is. He's just another Patriots assistant that will fail when they take over their own team.

Spot on, except I'd say that it's Brady that makes Josh look like a genius. I'd rather let someone else find out that he ain't jack without Brady and Belichick.

Excluding the 2 current HCs from the Belichick tree (Patricia and Vrabel) since they're only 1 year in, has there ever been a successful coach from the BB tree?

 

[TheDude]

That's a better example but after the first year Kubiak went to the SB he 20-28 over three seasons and never finished higher than 3rd in his Division.

And Fox had a losing record in two of his three HC jobs.

I thought the question was....

If you are serious about winning, why do you fire a Head Coach with a winning record who clearly has the respect of the players?

Those are 2 examples of firing a winning coach and winning a SB with a new coach. If your question is agnostic to winning a title and SB is irrelevant (which would be an odd premise) then fine, yes they fired a winning coach and won a SB, but got worse after that. Most teams get worse after a SB win as FA picks the team apart.

Not sure why the goal posts seem to be moving. It has happened at least twice. Would you rather never win a SB if you were assured of Marty Schottenheimer's 201-126 record (61%). There are alot of moving parts, but it isnt a phenomenally wild idea.

 

[Kaiser]

Those are 2 examples of firing a winning coach and winning a SB with a new coach.

That's two out of dozens, like I said if you count the negative examples the count probably moves to something 2 for and 10 against.

And even in those two examples, Kubiak took a team that was two years out of a SB and won a SB, then had three straight seasons in third place.

Gruden won a SB but Tony Dungy is considered at least as good a HC. Most people would assume TB still wins a SB with Dungy in the job.

It isn't moving the goal posts, but if "someone fired Tony Dungy" is your argument for firing Jason Garrett its not a very good argument. I'll go look up the negative examples.

 

[TheDude]

That's two out of dozens, like I said if you count the negative examples the count probably moves to something 2 for and 10 against.

And even in those two examples, Kubiak took a team that was two years out of a SB and won a SB, then had three straight seasons in third place.

Gruden won a SB but Tony Dungy is considered at least as good a HC. Most people would assume TB still wins a SB with Dungy in the job.

It isn't moving the goal posts, but if "someone fired Tony Dungy" is your argument for firing Jason Garrett its not a very good argument. I'll go look up the negative examples.

Well obviously, finding failure isnt hard. there is only a 3.1% chance to win at all (32 teams). I can point to 31 losing coaches per year, so wow, yea I cede you can find examples of firing a coach and not having a replacement get better. Go Dan Reeves and use wade as the example by getting 2 years (before going Shannehan). Not sure what point that proves. But if the arguement is you dont want to risk winning a SB because the team may not be as talented in 4 years - OK

 

[Kaiser]

The Chiefs fired Schottenheimer after a 9-7 team lost a wildcard game. They went 10 - 38 over their next three seasons.

The Packers fired Holmgren and Mike Sherman had a winning record replacing him, but noone considers that a good move. When the Seahawks fired Holmgren after a 4-12 season they went 19 -29 over their next three seasons.

When the 49ers fired Mariucci they followed that with 7 straight losing seasons.