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gimmesix

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What will be different. Lol I winder if they asked that about Garrett. Funny old men Jerry and his son are
They made Garrett bring in Scott Linehan as offensive coordinator in 2014. Linehan put more emphasis on the running game and we had a better statistical season both from our QB and from the offense overall. Too bad the defense still sucked.
 

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We can absolutely pick out some situations where the play calling didnt make sense, but you can do that with anyone over a 17 game season.
Breath of fresh air. Rare fresh air. Too rare. We can absolutely pick out some situations where play calling didn't make sense... because that's just what fans (and media) like to do. We're all really good at that. Just that. Not that we have any clue how the overall game plan on any given day did or did not make sense, ie, since we're never privy to that level of insight. We don't know what was planned this way so that something else could later be run this other way. We don't know on the uber-successful chunk plays what thought went into not just the design of that single play, but plays leading up to it. But yeah, we absolutely can pick out some situations when play calling didn't make any sense. ;)
 

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Well you're entitled to your opinion but I'm telling you my opinion is he's a below average offensive coordinator and it is a big problem his game plans his play calling the first eight games of both the last two seasons have been about his elementary vanilla and playing type philosophy that I don't like... So you can keep jumping all over the front office I saw it differently I saw Jekyll and Hyde two years in a row it took till mid season the year before and it took losing most of your players this year for him to start getting creative start to create the run game choose the right players I mean I don't know what you been watching but you must hate Jerry an awful lot to overlook how bad Mike McCarthy's been...
ok

You're entitled to be wrong.

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True but McCarthy play calling is bad, his attention to small details is awful, and his discipline allowing penalties is even worse
It was pretty good the previous year. So that leads me to believe that there were other factors (starting two rookie OL, etc.) that had some effect on it. Still, I believe McCarthy has been given his shot, so I'd welcome a change at head coach or at least at coordinator if they choose to keep him.
 

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You're entitled to be wrong.

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Actually my eyes and many others eyes are not wrong your opinion may differ 'cause you're trying to blame the wrong person but in the end it still wasn't good the execution sometimes is the product of the play calling and the schemes and the lack thereof in this case there was none first half of last year first half of this year both looked the same couldn't win couldn't come up with anything creative until it was too late luckily last year Prescott and lamb bailed him out..

All the proof you need is Rico dowdle Turpin just to name a few but the starting offensive line all that stuff didn't get going until late in the year when it was too late and that was all on the coach sorry but whether to play Rico how much to play him should have been discovered long before week 8 but if the Pittsburgh steeler game was an indication after that he should have got handed the ball no less than 20 * a game Turpin should have been used as a scat back on 3rd down you know the way they use lamb a little too much he's banged up but if you wanted some flash and dash from the backfield Turpin would have been a good guy hell I'm still a supporter of Vaughn even though he wouldn't have been a big supporter 'cause he does a lot of the stuff Turpin does too little too late that's Mike McCarthy he plays not to lose instead of playing to win he doesn't have to kill her instinct he doesn't have the aggressive nature to try to out scheme and outmaneuver the defensive coordinators and by the time he realizes his mistakes it's too late.....
 

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In name, but he does not call plays.
For sure, but Schottenheimer is still the OC. I would argue that actually calling plays is fairly low on the list of important things an OC does. I'm sure everything still has to go through McCarthy to get approved and tweaked, but Schottenheimer is still going to be the first line for game planning, hes doing the installs in practice, instructing the OL and QB pre snap on when and what to check to situationally, etc. If you have a good plan going into a game along with quality players to execute that plan you could pretty much draw plays out of a hat each down and be fine.
 

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Bad players often times make it very difficult to call plays successfully and typically make the most penalties. I'm sure McCarthy isnt 100% innocent in all this, but its really hard for me to judge him after Jerry basically set him up for failure this year.
Then judge him before that—judge him on our playoff performance last year.
 

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Actually my eyes and many others eyes are not wrong your opinion may differ 'cause you're trying to blame the wrong person but in the end it still wasn't good the execution sometimes is the product of the play calling and the schemes and the lack thereof in this case there was none first half of last year first half of this year both looked the same couldn't win couldn't come up with anything creative until it was too late luckily last year Prescott and lamb bailed him out..

All the proof you need is Rico dowdle Turpin just to name a few but the starting offensive line all that stuff didn't get going until late in the year when it was too late and that was all on the coach sorry but whether to play Rico how much to play him should have been discovered long before week 8 but if the Pittsburgh steeler game was an indication after that he should have got handed the ball no less than 20 * a game Turpin should have been used as a scat back on 3rd down you know the way they use lamb a little too much he's banged up but if you wanted some flash and dash from the backfield Turpin would have been a good guy hell I'm still a supporter of Vaughn even though he wouldn't have been a big supporter 'cause he does a lot of the stuff Turpin does too little too late that's Mike McCarthy he plays not to lose instead of playing to win he doesn't have to kill her instinct he doesn't have the aggressive nature to try to out scheme and outmaneuver the defensive coordinators and by the time he realizes his mistakes it's too late.....
Give me an elder LT worthy of competing with Guyton. Same at C for Beebe. Much different season offensively if we only could rewind and have just that much to enable whoever was running the ball to excel.

Add to that, give me a healthy QB1 for a full season? Exponential difference.

Add to that, give me a health Lawrence and Parsons for a full season? Infinite difference.

Don't make this complicated. It really is that simple.

None of which has anything to do with play calling. You have a basically competent, proven play caller. That's sufficient. The difference makers are the ones on the field... or in this case, the lack of on the field difference makers killed the 2024 season.
 

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The truth is nothing will be different. What's Mike gonna do, go back to the barn? Give up playcalling, again? Get Haslett to be his DC?

What we've seen is what we'll get. If ownership isn't changing anything they're doing, then don't expect any different from the coaches.
Right….the problem is they think that what they are doing is working, just need more luck….to win 3-4 playoff games in a row.

Pure delusion.

If you’re going to completely pass on free agency annually, and don’t have a very top of the league QB, you’d better have a great coaching staff with higher end schemes. They have none of those, and don’t seem willing to bother to try to improve on any of it.
 

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Then judge him before that—judge him on our playoff performance last year.
Then he should have been fired after the playoff performance last year, and honestly I wouldnt have had any issue if they did. Ultimately though when you get a new set of data you can't just dismiss it because it goes against what you previously wanted. Personally I'm a fan of what MM was able to accomplish this year despite the record. Coming into the season I didnt think this was a very good team, we were near the top of the league in starters missing games, and still played well down the stretch. I've also been very happy with the evolution of the offense during the year and happy with player development under McCarthy. I put way more blame on Jerry Jones for overrating the state of his roster, failing year after year to bring in legitimate run defenders, failing to sign veteran DB depth even after you lose Bland, expecting no drop off after plugging in two rookies to the OL, etc.
 

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Then he should have been fired after the playoff performance last year, and honestly I wouldnt have had any issue if they did. Ultimately though when you get a new set of data you can't just dismiss it because it goes against what you previously wanted. Personally I'm a fan of what MM was able to accomplish this year despite the record. Coming into the season I didnt think this was a very good team, we were near the top of the league in starters missing games, and still played well down the stretch. I've also been very happy with the evolution of the offense during the year and happy with player development under McCarthy. I put way more blame on Jerry Jones for overrating the state of his roster, failing year after year to bring in legitimate run defenders, failing to sign veteran DB depth even after you lose Bland, expecting no drop off after plugging in two rookies to the OL, etc.
You said you wouldn’t judge given what he had to work with, so null set. If you want to judge this year, then the offense was not good with or without the QB1. The defense improved from putrid to at times decent, but I guess your expectations were so low that any improvement was a plus.
 

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I'd like to see McCarthy bring in an OC from the McVay, Shanahan, LeFleur wing of the West Coast offense.

Wouldn't mind Robert Saleh as the DC should he not get a HC offer. But, I think Micah liked Zimmer and would want to see how a full season plays out in that system.
 

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You said you wouldn’t judge given what he had to work with, so null set. If you want to judge this year, then the offense was not good with or without the QB1. The defense improved from putrid to at times decent, but I guess your expectations were so low that any improvement was a plus.
Eh thats fair....I cant say I wont judge him for this season then turn around and talk about only what I like about what happened this season. I could phrase that better to not talk out both sides of my arse.

Ultimately though yes my expectations were very low coming into the season with a new DC, entire coaching staff on expiring deals, and after they let more talent walk out the door than they brought in over the offseason while the talent they did bring in was a rookie class that had a major learning curve. Neither side of the football has very good depth and I thought after the start this team got off to it would be Wade Phillips all over again.

I just dont think coaching is the issue...coaches have been the fall guys on this team for years now. I care significantly more about the front office actually making an attempt to upgrade the roster than I do who the HC is.
 

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Then he should have been fired after the playoff performance last year, and honestly I wouldnt have had any issue if they did. Ultimately though when you get a new set of data you can't just dismiss it because it goes against what you previously wanted. Personally I'm a fan of what MM was able to accomplish this year despite the record. Coming into the season I didnt think this was a very good team, we were near the top of the league in starters missing games, and still played well down the stretch. I've also been very happy with the evolution of the offense during the year and happy with player development under McCarthy. I put way more blame on Jerry Jones for overrating the state of his roster, failing year after year to bring in legitimate run defenders, failing to sign veteran DB depth even after you lose Bland, expecting no drop off after plugging in two rookies to the OL, etc.
Bottom line is this….they don’t strive to get better, in any type of regard.

The entire situation is going to get worse.
 

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Wait…..the BRASS wants to know what will be different??

If Im McCarthy Im asking THEM that same question.

Every other team at least TRIES to improve the roster over the off-season.
They can kiss my brass!
 

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Bottom line is this….they don’t strive to get better, in any type of regard.

The entire situation is going to get worse.
Agree. At this point I like McCarthy as a HC, but they need to just move on if they can't get this figured out. No reason a HC who has been with you for 5 years you cant make a quick decision on. It just makes all parties involved look weak, and even if he does return as HC it gives the impression to players and other coaches that the Cowboys were never fully on board with McCarthy.
 

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Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic is what is happening

and they have already HIT the iceberg!
 
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