Julius Jones is still a robot

[Spectre]

I know it's preseason.
And he's a fine RB.
But his inappropriate statement about Parcells making him into a robot is looking more like the petty excuse I thought it was.
He get 4 yards a carry and nothing more. His gamebreaking ability is a myth and he is not the RB we saw in his rookie season and doesn't look like he'll ever be again. He goes down from one hand leg tackles and runs into piles.

I like him on screens and draws. But for the second season in a row now, I really think Barber's patient run style and strong finishes have earned him the right to at least audition for the primary ball carrier.

JMO.

 

[theogt]

JMO, but I think your opinion is wrong. He looks very much different from last season. Whether he's good enough to warrant not drafting a RB (or whether it even means he's better than Barber) is another story, but there shouldn't be any doubt that he runs differently from the past 2 seasons.

 

[dargonking999]

So if all he gains is 4 yards

then who was that person that ran for 12?

His ghost?

 

[WoodysGirl]

I know it's preseason.
And he's a fine RB.
But his inappropriate statement about Parcells making him into a robot is looking more like the petty excuse I thought it was.
He get 4 yards a carry and nothing more. His gamebreaking ability is a myth and he is not the RB we saw in his rookie season and doesn't look like he'll ever be again. He goes down from one hand leg tackles and runs into piles.

4 ypc for 25 carries will get you a 100 yd game. I'll take it...all day everyday.

But for the second season in a row now, I really think Barber's patient run style and strong finishes have earned him the right to at least audition for the primary ball carrier.

JMO.

I like Barber, but he's been doing alot of dancing in these preseason games, not displaying near the same amount of patience as you come to expect from him. Also, this sideways running that he's beeing doing has been driving me nuts.

Yesterday, neither Julius nor Barber did a whole lot.

 

[hairic]

The first play of the game, it was Lousaka Polite blowing up the play.

He tripped a pulling Leonard Davis while whiffing on his own block, resulting in a gain of 0.

Don't put all the poor runs on the RB...

 

[Spectre]

4 yards per carry is the minimum amount you need to average to be a an effective starting RB. He is effective... just minimally, IMO. That's why I said he's a fine RB.
But the take on him has always been that he gives us the best chance to go the distance from anywhere on the field. I haven't seen that potential since his rookie season. He rarely runs for big gains, let alone "go house". I don't see any difference this year compared to the last 2 other than a slightly improved O-Line.

I just think Barber could average closer to the elite production of 4.5 or more. I don't think MB3 is a threat to go to the house from distance either but I do think he could be, overall, more productive than JJ if he were given the same number of carries. I also think he's a better pass protector and receiver.

 

[TunaFan33]

4 yards per carry is the minimum amount you need to average to be a an effective starting RB. He is effective... just minimally, IMO. That's why I said he's a fine RB.
But the take on him has always been that he gives us the best chance to go the distance from anywhere on the field. I haven't seen that since his rookie season. He rarely even runs for big gains, let alone "go house".

I just think Barber could average closer to the elite production of 4.5 or more. I don't think MB3 is a threat to go to the house from distance either but I do think he could be overall more productive than JJ if he were given the same number of carries. I also think he's a better pass protector and receiver.

So do you think we should have gotten Cedric Benson instead? Really?

 

[Spectre]

So do you think we should have gotten Cedric Benson instead? Really?

What are you talking about?

I don't think I understand your logic but regardless, Benson is a bust and I said that he would be the day he was drafted.

The point is, Barber is the most effective weapon Dallas has on offense. Therefor, he should be on the field and involved in as many plays as possible.

 

[Rampage]

4 ypc for 25 carries will get you a 100 yd game. I'll take it...all day everyday.

I like Barber, but he's been doing alot of dancing in these preseason games, not displaying near the same amount of patience as you come to expect from him. Also, this sideways running that he's beeing doing has been driving me nuts.

Yesterday, neither Julius nor Barber did a whole lot.

julius won't be getting 25 carries a game

 

[JonJon]

I take it some people only watch Cowboys games and don't understand that every run isn't going to be for 10+ yards. Even the great Tomlinson has his share of minimal-gain runs. Look at a few LT games from last year:

Splits By Opponent....G....Att......Yds......Avg......Lng......TD
Arizona Cardinals.......1.....16.......66.......4.1.......11.......0
Baltimore Ravens.......1 .....26......98.......3.8.......29.......0
Pittsburgh Steelers....1 ....13.......36.......2.8.......12.......0
San Francisco 49ers...1 .....21......71......3.4.........9.......4
Tennessee Titans......1.....19.......71......3.7........15.......2

These numbers are not very spectacular at all. So even the greatest RB in the game doesn't put up all pro numbers all the time, but we all know he has mad skills.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

So do you think we should have gotten Cedric Benson instead? Really?

You really need to calm down and chill out! :laugh2:

 

[TunaFan33]

I take it some people only watch Cowboys games and don't understand that every run isn't going to be for 10+ yards. Even the great Tomlinson has his share of minimal-gain runs. Look at a few LT games from last year:

Splits By Opponent....G....Att Yds Avg Lng TD
Arizona Cardinals.......1.....16.......66.......4.1.......11.......0
Baltimore Ravens.......1 .....26......98.......3.8.......29.......0
Pittsburgh Steelers....1 ....13.......36.......2.8.......12.......0
San Francisco 49ers...1 .....21......71......3.4.........9.......4
Tennessee Titans......1.....19.......71......3.7........15.......2

These numbers are not very spectacular at all. So even the greatest RB in the game doesn't put up all pro numbers all the time, but we all know he has mad skills.

Not to mention SF and TN had POS run defenses. Ho BTW-didn't Julius run for 120+ against THIS SAME TN D??

Sprectre, what do you have to say about this?

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

julius won't be getting 25 carries a game

This is true... but the 2-headed RB attack of Jones/Barber will.

Averaging over 100 yards a game.

 

[WoodysGirl]

4 yards per carry is the minimum amount you need to average to be a an effective starting RB. He is effective... just minimally, IMO. That's why I said he's a fine RB.
But the take on him has always been that he gives us the best chance to go the distance from anywhere on the field. I haven't seen that potential since his rookie season. He rarely runs for big gains, let alone "go house". I don't see any difference this year compared to the last 2 other than a slightly improved O-Line.

I've seen a difference. No he hasn't broken any big runs, but neither has Barber. Matter of fact I think Thompson has broken more than either of them.

I just think Barber could average closer to the elite production of 4.5 or more.

They both excel at different things, but their career averages are about the same. JJ=4.1 Barber 4.8 I imagine that with more opportunities, Barber's avg would drop.

I don't think MB3 is a threat to go to the house from distance either but I do think he could be, overall, more productive than JJ if he were given the same number of carries. I also think he's a better pass protector and receiver.

I've read just the opposite. That Julius was the better pass protector. Not to suggest Barber is bad, just that I've read that Julius was better at it.

julius won't be getting 25 carries a game

If going by last year's carries distribution, no, he won't. But this year, we don't know.

 

[Spectre]

I take it some people only watch Cowboys games and don't understand that every run isn't going to be for 10+ yards. Even the great Tomlinson has his share of minimal-gain runs. Look at a few LT games from last year:

Splits By Opponent....G....Att Yds Avg Lng TD
Arizona Cardinals.......1.....16.......66.......4.1.......11.......0
Baltimore Ravens.......1 .....26......98.......3.8.......29.......0
Pittsburgh Steelers....1 ....13.......36.......2.8.......12.......0
San Francisco 49ers...1 .....21......71......3.4.........9.......4
Tennessee Titans......1.....19.......71......3.7........15.......2

These numbers are not very spectacular at all. So even the greatest RB in the game doesn't put up all pro numbers all the time, but we all know he has mad skills.

Sprectre, what do you have to say about this?

Sorry but SD was winning 4 out of 5 of those games by 20 or more points so LT didn't need to do anything but burn the clock. He also had 150 yards receiving total from 3 of those games AND he was benched at the half or 3rd quarter. Finally, he had 2 TDs against TEN and 4 against SF. If you can do that, your offense doesn't need to have big gains.

 

[TunaFan33]

Sorry but SD was winning 4 out of 5 of those games by 20 or more points so LT didn't need to do anything but burn the clock. He also had 150 yards receiving total from 3 of those games AND he was benched at the half or 3rd quarter.

Yes-I believe we were blowing out Tennessee too-but en yet, Julius managed to get 120+, almost twice more than LTs total against them.

So your point being?

 

[JonJon]

Sorry but SD was winning 4 out of 5 of those games by 20 or more points so LT didn't need to do anything but burn the clock. He also had 150 yards receiving total from 3 of those games AND he was benched at the half or 3rd quarter. Finally, he had 2 TDs against TEN and 4 against SF. If you can do that, your offense doesn't need to have big gains.

Then you should also include the games in which JJ didn't play much and was spelled by Marion. JJ ran 267 times for 1084 yards for an average of 16.69 carries per game and 4.1 yards per carry. If Jones gets 20 carries, he has 1,312 yards...if he gets 25 carries per game, he rushes for 1,640 yards. So the potential for production is there and that is undeniable. It just comes down to how many times he will touch the ball.

 

[Spectre]

I agree but I am not interested in comparing Julius Jones to Ladanian Tomlinson. Likewise, I am not interested in comparing Rosie O'Donnell to Salma Hayek.

LT's totals are the result of what needs to be done to win the game. Whether it's run for big gains and win it singlehandedly for his offense, let his defense win the field position and put him in close range to score, OR throw a touchdown or two when neccessary.

JJ doesn't have that luxury or that kind of talent so IMO, his production is less circumstantial and more his ceiling.

 

[lane]

I agree but I am not interested in comparing Julius Jones to Ladanian Tomlinson. Likewise, I am not interested in comparing Rosie O'Donnell to Salma Hayek.

LT's totals are the result of what needs to be done to win the game. Whether it's run for big gains and win it singlehandedly for his offense, let his defense win the field position and put him in close range to score, OR throw a touchdown or two when neccessary.

JJ doesn't have that luxury or that kind of talent so IMO, his production is less circumstantial and more his ceiling.

i agree spectre..

 

[Hoofbite]

Julius has as many good games per season as LT has bad games and people are actually trying to draw a comparison.

:laugh2: