Julius Jones, Kevin Jones or Stephen Jackson? Who would you rather have straight up?

[ThEpLyMaKeR88]

stephen jackson because when he got the chance to run he ran pretty good

 

[scottsp]

I love Jules, but I was most impressed with what I saw out of Kevin last season. He would prolly be my selection.

 

[jaman4]

I don't care who JJ played against or how bad they were statistically.

I saw the ability to make anyone miss, the speed to outrun people, the vision to pick the right hole and the smarts to get as many yards possible when there's nothing there and nowhere to go.

I saw unlimited natural ability, stuff that can't be taught, and stuff that shows itself NO MATTER the competition.

And Steven Jackson is not a Parcells back. If he was, Parcells would've drafted him.

Come on, you have to at least *consider* who they were playing. Sure Julius killed 28th ranked Run Defense NY Giants. But so did Jerome Bettis (140 yards), Chester Taylor (105 yards), Portis (150 yards), Philly's RBBC (140 yards), Atlanta's RBBC (200+), Anthony Thomas (110). And, ok, JJ did great on Monday night football against the LB depleted 23rd rated Run defense Seahawks who also gave up 120 yards and 4 TDs to Willis Mcgahee the week before. Or how about the 130+ they gave up to Curtis Martin, or the 200 they gave up to Atlanta, or the 200 they gave up against St Louis, or one of the few Emmitt 100 yard games. Certainly you cant ignore the fact that his Thanksgiving day effort against the 25th ranked Bears was one of many big games the Bears gave up to RBs last year. The Colts ran all over them the week before, gaining over 250 yards on the ground. The Vikes gained over 140 the week after T-Giving against them. Kevin Jones put up over 120 against them. Portis put up over 170. The Buccs, over 130. Even Brian Westbrook who isnt really known so much for his big rushing yards, put up nearly 120 against them. So, to ignore who the competition was is a bit closed minded i think.

Sure Jones looked quick, and put togteher a few nice games, but so did Nick Goings. Im not so dumb as to say he's on the NIck Goings level, but id like to see more than a few good games out of him before annointing him the next Emmitt. To say Parcells evaluates RB talent better than anyone is a bit homeristic i think. He hasnt had too many RBs in his coaching career finish at over 4 ypc. Im glad Jones was at least able to do that. I love what Jones brought to the table last year, and it was certainly a huge upgrade when he replaced George, but there are a lot of backs id rather have right now. Its not necessarily a knock on him, but i watched several Lions games last year, and Kevin Jones is just as quick, a bit faster, and has outstanding vision also. And the Lions OL doesnt even come close to Dallas' in my opinion. Put ANYONE behind KC's line, and theyll do well.

If Julius can give this team 20 carries and 80 yards a game, ill be very happy. Give ATrain 7-8 carries and thats all this team needs. They arent going to be winning games on Bledsoe's shoulders thats for sure.

 

[RoysAHitta]

pretty much every back these days is a product of the system.. so it doesnt really matter who we have back there as long as he has enough speed to hit the hole.

 

[billknows]

Julius, I think he'has the quickest moves , and more game changing potetial...Bill knows

 

[Muhast]

I dont understand how Kevin was the better back??? Am I missing something?

Kevin had 4 100 yard rushing games. Minnesota( Shocker!Sarcasm) Arizona, Green Bay, and Chicago. It took Kevin Jones 7 starts, 9 games appeared in to break 100 yards in a game. He had 4 games where he rushed for under 3.0 yards a carry, even pulling in a 1.7 ypc effort against Washington.

Julius had just 3 100 yard performances. But thats 3 out of 7 starts.Thats about 43% of his starts he turned in over 100 yards.

Not to mention Julius scored 7 td's in 7 starts. Compared to Kevin's 5 td's on 14 starts.

Not to mention we didnt exactly have wr's to threaten ANYONE deep. Kevin had Roy Williams at least to help stretch the field.

And if you look at it from recieving standpoint. Julius had 109 yards in 7 starts, Kevin had 180 on 14 starts. So it's not to say Kevin is some beast out of the backfield either

Based on stats, Julius seems to be at LEAST equal, if not better. And based on talent from watching games Julius gets the nod as well.

 

[Zaxor]

I dont understand how Kevin was the better back??? Am I missing something?

Kevin had 4 100 yard rushing games. Minnesota( Shocker!Sarcasm) Arizona, Green Bay, and Chicago. It took Kevin Jones 7 starts, 9 games appeared in to break 100 yards in a game. He had 4 games where he rushed for under 3.0 yards a carry, even pulling in a 1.7 ypc effort against Washington.

Julius had just 3 100 yard performances. But thats 3 out of 7 starts.Thats about 43% of his starts he turned in over 100 yards.

Not to mention Julius scored 7 td's in 7 starts. Compared to Kevin's 5 td's on 14 starts.

Not to mention we didnt exactly have wr's to threaten ANYONE deep. Kevin had Roy Williams at least to help stretch the field.

And if you look at it from recieving standpoint. Julius had 109 yards in 7 starts, Kevin had 180 on 14 starts. So it's not to say Kevin is some beast out of the backfield either

Based on stats, Julius seems to be at LEAST equal, if not better. And based on talent from watching games Julius gets the nod as well.

Good job my friend and well put

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

I dont understand how Kevin was the better back??? Am I missing something?

Kevin had 4 100 yard rushing games. Minnesota( Shocker!Sarcasm) Arizona, Green Bay, and Chicago. It took Kevin Jones 7 starts, 9 games appeared in to break 100 yards in a game. He had 4 games where he rushed for under 3.0 yards a carry, even pulling in a 1.7 ypc effort against Washington.

Julius had just 3 100 yard performances. But thats 3 out of 7 starts.Thats about 43% of his starts he turned in over 100 yards.

Not to mention Julius scored 7 td's in 7 starts. Compared to Kevin's 5 td's on 14 starts.

Not to mention we didnt exactly have wr's to threaten ANYONE deep. Kevin had Roy Williams at least to help stretch the field.

And if you look at it from recieving standpoint. Julius had 109 yards in 7 starts, Kevin had 180 on 14 starts. So it's not to say Kevin is some beast out of the backfield either

Based on stats, Julius seems to be at LEAST equal, if not better. And based on talent from watching games Julius gets the nod as well.

Excellent post. Sometimes the posters in this forum try so hard to avoid being accused of homerism that they make the opposite mistake.

 

[dbair1967]

Off of what I have seen so far...Kevin Jones.

Anyone who picks Julius over Kevin is being a homer.

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what you saw was one guy play in twice as many games, and still barely put up better numbers...K Jones outrushed J Jones by 300 yds, even though he started 14 games and played in 15...JuJo played in 8 and started 7...Jujo averaged 27yds per game MORE than Kevin Jones did...JuJo's indv game logs also look better

not sure how anyone could be called a "homer" for picking JuJo over K Jones or any other RB right now...the fact is had Jujo played the entire season and maintained the same kind of pace he'd have been a sure fire probowler

David

 

[fishspill]

Don't forget about Tatum Bell. He might be due for a big year in Denver's system despite the logjam at RB.

Still too early to tell who I'd rather have though.

 

[Chuck 54]

I'm actually dizzy from reading this post. A change of pace back is the guy who comes in after the pace has been set. That would be the backup. You can't change the pace if it hasn't been set.

ding ding ding....

 

[burmafrd]

That high ankle sprain can become chronic. So anyone claiming that KJ has shown to be more durable is a homer. Where was mr K Jones early in the season- before he got the sprain? He had a lot more carries and looked like nothing much. JJ had a small piece of one game. But when he started his first game- AGAINST BALTIMORE- he produced solid numbers against a great D that had people hitting him in the backfield every other carry. You take out the plays where that happened, and he averaged more then 4 yds per carry. JJ was dodging people in the backfield just about every time he ran right- then the D pretty much knew that if it was an important play that we would run left. The Giant game was in many ways his best- even better then Seattle- as he made defenders miss and embarrased them all game long. Most of what he got in the seattle game came on that one long run and then the draws. The Giants game he was running regular running plays and did not get stopped for a loss once, even with Giants in the backfield on several occassions. THAT was the game that really sold me on him.

 

[Trophy#6]

10 weeks into the season last year, Kevin Jones...14 weeks in, Julius. We'll see this year.

I like the combo of JJ, Witten and Keyshawn- I think it really throws defenses off. It should be interesting this coming year with a compitant QB. That's the difference between the two Jones'- our guys situation was upgraded around him with the addition of Bledsoe, and should have a good season to prove it. I don't see Mike Williams being an upgrade for the Lions like DB is for us- they were already quite talented at WR...unless of course MW becomes a Witten/Key type for their QB.

At this point I would have been happy with either 2, hell either 3- they ain't EG or Hamboner.

 

[Jack]

what you saw was one guy play in twice as many games, and still barely put up better numbers...K Jones outrushed J Jones by 300 yds, even though he started 14 games and played in 15...JuJo played in 8 and started 7...Jujo averaged 27yds per game MORE than Kevin Jones did...JuJo's indv game logs also look better

not sure how anyone could be called a "homer" for picking JuJo over K Jones or any other RB right now...the fact is had Jujo played the entire season and maintained the same kind of pace he'd have been a sure fire probowler

David

I was counting college too.

You are assuming Julius would have put those numbers up all year. He didn't. Even before he got hurt.

 

[burmafrd]

Jack rather convienently forgets that JJ did not start untill game two- then got his shoulder blade broken early. KJ started the early season and did not shine untill late season- even before his sprain. JJ just kept pounding it in there for 7 straight games. Did KJ ever come close to those number of carries. Makes me wonder if he can carry the rock like that- like JJ did.

 

[Jack]

Jack rather convienently forgets that JJ did not start untill game two- then got his shoulder blade broken early. KJ started the early season and did not shine untill late season- even before his sprain. JJ just kept pounding it in there for 7 straight games. Did KJ ever come close to those number of carries. Makes me wonder if he can carry the rock like that- like JJ did.

Just to argue the other side...

I sort of wonder if Tapper can last a whole season.

I think he can. I think he will be great. But if I had to pick one right now to be on my team, it would be Kevin Jones by a hair. I think (hope) it will be different by the end on next season.

 

[Tio]

Just to argue the other side...

I sort of wonder if Tapper can last a whole season.

I think he can. I think he will be great. But if I had to pick one right now to be on my team, it would be Kevin Jones by a hair. I think (hope) it will be different by the end on next season.

Do you know how many high ankle sprains last with a guy their whole career?

 

[scottsp]

Excellent post. Sometimes the posters in this forum try so hard to avoid being accused of homerism that they make the opposite mistake.

Or they could be sincerely responding to the question.

 

[Fletch]

Geesh, some of you are hillarious. Julius Jones... hands down! The kid has the speed to break it outside, can obviously block and catch out of the backfield as well as a tough runner between the tackles... and has proven that he can handle 30+ carrie games back to back.

Stephen is too upright and Kevin Jones is a punk! Hands down. Give me Julius all day long. :starspin

What makes him so grand is that he was stolen in the second round.

 

[Tio]

Or they could be sincerely responding to the question.

Of course, if you sincerely think JJ is better, your a homer. Lets just throw out all the stats that were provided in this thread, kevin jones or bust.