Just Curious Your Take On Our Coach?

[ZeroClub]

I want a coach who's top priority is to fix the QB position and protect him. I don't ever want to here a case made for a bus driver QB again. I just can't stomach that philosophy at all.

I appreciate that the team is better talent wise than what he inherited, but he's not done enough with the talent IMO. In some cases he's failed miserably.

I've got an honest question (maybe two) for you, Hostile.

If I'm not mistake, you voted on the record your preference for starting Bledsoe (over Romo) next week versus the Texans.

You've also been a consistently strong advocate for acquiring a top-flight marquee franchise QB (e.g., a Carson Palmer / Eli Manning type).

Are you concerned that Romo might prove to be a "serviceable" starting QB if he got a chance to play?

I could see how this outcome might be the absolute worst one from your perspective. If Romo is seen as "good enough," chances are that the Cowboys wouldn't do all that it would take to obtain a true top-flight all-star sort of franchise QB.

How much, if any, of your current support of Bledsoe (vis-a-vis Romo) is due to a concern that Romo could play well enough to win the job? (and thus postponing the acquisition of the next Carson Palmer?)

 

[Stautner]

I respect that, and that is fine, but what I am saying is that the coaches should give them something better to work with to execute. You don't think the playcalling and coverages, etc, could've been called better...Why did we go away from the run?

You answered my whole point....If we saw all game that we didn't have time, run more two tight end, put an extra back in the backfield.....we shot ourselves in the foot all freakin day. Bledsoe COULD'VE had more time. He COULD'VE been put in a better position to execute. Yeah, he still has to actually execute, but he should have been put in a better position. Why is everyone else able to throw the ball so well against them and we can't? Are their players better players or executers than our players? No.

We ran a lot more with 2 backs in the backfield yesterday than we have all year. Polite actually saw a reasonable amount of playing time. And we did use the 2 TE sets much of the game.

I think people look at the couple of times we ran the no RB sets and how badly they worked and somehow convinced themselves we used that set a lot. The reality is we tried it a few times, it failed, and we tried other things.

Again, the coaches might could have done a better job - I certainly think we didn't adjust as well as we could have in the 2nd half.

But for some it isn't just individual moments that the coaches have lapses - it's EVERY time the team loses or the offense doesn't perform well - and its the entire game plan and play calling the whole game. And it's a double standard - when the offense performs well it's all due to the players and the coaches don't get credit.

 

[5Stars]

At this point would it actually be that hard to go back to the 4-3. I'm probably just dreamin but how about:

DE-Ware, Ellis, Ratliff, Hatcher
DT-Spears, Canty, Ferguson

Trade off some of our LBs folks would want anyway

I don't know? I kinda like the 3/4, but, it seems to me that Parcells or Zimmer, don't utilize it like it could be utilized. We rarely blitz out of it, and I mean ALL OUT...GET THAT SOB! But, I'm not an expert, so I don't know...

But, I would like an offensive minded GET AFTER THEM, ATTACK MODE type of offense...sure, there will be mistakes, however, I think that saying about "defense wins championships" thing is a little overrated...

I want teams to fear the offense, regardless of their defense....I want that "STOP US IF YOU CAN"...mode...

 

[tommyboy10]

We ran a lot more with 2 backs in the backfield yesterday than we have all year. Polite actually saw a reasonable amount of playing time. And we did use the 2 TE sets much of the game.

I think people look at the couple of times we ran the no RB sets and how badly they worked and somehow convinced themselves we used that set a lot. The reality is we tried it a few times, it failed, and we tried other things.

Again, the coaches might could have done a better job - I certainly think we didn't adjust as well as we could have in the 2nd half.

But for some it isn't just individual moments that the coaches have lapses - it's EVERY time the team loses or the offense doesn't perform well - and its the entire game plan and play calling the whole game. And it's a double standard - when the offense performs well it's all due to the players and the coaches don't get credit.

Ok, let's try this...What, if anything, would you have changed yesterday? Would you have called the game any different....As you watched Bledsoe getting mauled over and over? Honestly?

 

[TtownCowboy]

We ran a lot more with 2 backs in the backfield yesterday than we have all year. Polite actually saw a reasonable amount of playing time. And we did use the 2 TE sets much of the game.

I think people look at the couple of times we ran the no RB sets and how badly they worked and somehow convinced themselves we used that set a lot. The reality is we tried it a few times, it failed, and we tried other things.

Again, the coaches might could have done a better job - I certainly think we didn't adjust as well as we could have in the 2nd half.

But for some it isn't just individual moments that the coaches have lapses - it's EVERY time the team loses or the offense doesn't perform well - and its the entire game plan and play calling the whole game. And it's a double standard - when the offense performs well it's all due to the players and the coaches don't get credit.

That is just it you've got to adjust you game plan if it is not working and we don't do it. That is on the coach not execution of the play.

 

[tommyboy10]

I don't know? I kinda like the 3/4, but, it seems to me that Parcells or Zimmer, don't utilize it like it could be utilized. We rarely blitz out of it, and I mean ALL OUT...GET THAT SOB! But, I'm not an expert, so I don't know...

But, I would like an offensive minded GET AFTER THEM, ATTACK MODE type of offense...sure, there will be mistakes, however, I think that saying about "defense wins championships" thing is a little overrated...

I want teams to fear the offense, regardless of their defense....I want that "STOP US IF YOU CAN"...mode...

Like Spurrier in the Florida days......My philosophy is that if you are on offense, go score....Don't run clock all the time...Use your offense, who's purpose is to drive down the field and score, to do just that.

And I too would like to see more all out blitzes...We have the corners to cover it...Sure they will get beat now and then, but the turnovers created and lost yards will far exceed the ones we get beat on, IMO.

 

[TtownCowboy]

I don't know? I kinda like the 3/4, but, it seems to me that Parcells or Zimmer, don't utilize it like it could be utilized. We rarely blitz out of it, and I mean ALL OUT...GET THAT SOB! But, I'm not an expert, so I don't know...

But, I would like an offensive minded GET AFTER THEM, ATTACK MODE type of offense...sure, there will be mistakes, however, I think that saying about "defense wins championships" thing is a little overrated...

I want teams to fear the offense, regardless of their defense....I want that "STOP US IF YOU CAN"...mode...

I'm w/you on this. We need to blow the line up w/different blitz packages ie: Patriots in their hey day and the Steelers. I guess I'm still a 4-3 guy because of Landry and I don't think it would be that hard to go back to it.

 

[Stautner]

That is just it you've got to adjust you game plan if it is not working and we don't do it. That is on the coach not execution of the play.

First of all, saying we didn't do it in this game and saying we DON'T do that aren't the same thing.

Second, it's not as black and white as that. While it "seems" that we should have been able to find some ways to counteract the Eagles rush, it is impossible for us armchair QB's to know if adjustments were made but the team just didn't execute the adjustments any better than the initial gameplan.

It's kind of hard to imagine that adjustments weren't made - does anyone really think the coaches just watched the 1st half and merely said "keep it up" in the locker room?

Perhaps they made adjustments that were wrong and perhaps they made adjustments that the players didn't handle well - how much is the blame of the coaches and the players isn't as easy to determine as some think.

 

[5Stars]

Like Spurrier in the Florida days......My philosophy is that if you are on offense, go score....Don't run clock all the time...Use your offense, who's purpose is to drive down the field and score, to do just that.

And I too would like to see more all out blitzes...We have the corners to cover it...Sure they will get beat now and then, but the turnovers created and lost yards will far exceed the ones we get beat on, IMO.

Exactely...except, keep Spurrier out of this conversation!

But, yeah, someone that will GET AFTER IT! MARCH DOWN THE DAMN FIELD and score...I'm with you!

Get the BIGGEST, BADDEST mofo's on the offensive line, get a QB other then a bus driver, and forget about the clock or time of possesion! If it takes 40 seconds to score a TD! GO FOR IT!

I just absoutely hate this "play not to lose"...

You play the game to FREAKING WIN!

 

[tommyboy10]

First of all, saying we didn't do it in this game and saying we DON'T do that aren't the same thing.

Second, it's not as black and white as that. While it "seems" that we should have been able to find some ways to counteract the Eagles rush, it is impossible for us armchair QB's to know if adjustments were made but the team just didn't execute the adjustments any better than the initial gameplan.

It's kind of hard to imagine that adjustments weren't made - does anyone really think the coaches just watched the 1st half and merely said "keep it up" in the locker room?

Perhaps they made adjustments that were wrong and perhaps they made adjustments that the players didn't handle well - how much is the blame of the coaches and the players isn't as easy to determine as some think.

The point of the whole original post...Other coaches might be doing better jobs adjusting and getting their players motivated to those adjustments. I am sure we adjusted, but all of us "armchairs" have to watch our coach get outcoached alot of the time. Even when we win sometimes, its luck....We got kicked all over the field in the second half of yesterdays game, nd had no right even being in it. The Eagle's took the shots, and made better adjustments. Period. You keep answering your own questions.

I'm done

 

[TtownCowboy]

First of all, saying we didn't do it in this game and saying we DON'T do that aren't the same thing.

Second, it's not as black and white as that. While it "seems" that we should have been able to find some ways to counteract the Eagles rush, it is impossible for us armchair QB's to know if adjustments were made but the team just didn't execute the adjustments any better than the initial gameplan.

It's kind of hard to imagine that adjustments weren't made - does anyone really think the coaches just watched the 1st half and merely said "keep it up" in the locker room?

Perhaps they made adjustments that were wrong and perhaps they made adjustments that the players didn't handle well - how much is the blame of the coaches and the players isn't as easy to determine as some think.

We were up at half time. The adjustments needed to be made during the 2nd half. If the blitz is eating your QBs lunch. Have him roll out more, run more screen passes, put him in the shotgun, or some HB delays. When we did these things yesterday they were working we just didn't stick w/them until we forced the Eagles defense to make adjustments to us. That IS coaching. We can go back forth on this all night, now I'm not going to it is a difference opinion. We'll just agree to disagree.

 

[tommyboy10]

Exactely...except, keep Spurrier out of this conversation!

But, yeah, someone that will GET AFTER IT! MARCH DOWN THE DAMN FIELD and score...I'm with you!

Get the BIGGEST, BADDEST mofo's on the offensive line, get a QB other then a bus driver, and forget about the clock or time of possesion! If it takes 40 seconds to score a TD! GO FOR IT!

I just absoutely hate this "play not to lose"...

You play the game to FREAKING WIN!

Yeah, sorry---I don't want him here...my bad! LOL

But your opinion on this has my utmost respect!

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Here are my problems with Parcells. He is too set in his ways. It's been so long that people probably forget, but I do believe he won his last SB in a nailbiter with a missed FG by the Bills kicker. He would probably never allow his team to rout a team like we routed the Bills on our first SB. He gets upset that his players are not nasty enough or don't play fast enough...yet he coaches not to lose. When players are constantly told to keep everything in front of them, not to give up the big play....they tend to think that backpedalling is good. Do you see the Eagles backpedalling. They dare you to try and stop them. Now the irony is that we have the talent to play like that, yet we play like scared chickens. This is nothing new and has been going on every since Jimmy left. Year after year of this kind of crap makes the team ZERO fun to play for and turns the players into robots.

Why do you think TO and GLenn were made yesterday. BEcause they have to listen to these garbage CBs for the Eagles talk crap when they know they cannot cover them. Roy is not allowed to blitz...James is not allowed to blitz...we have tons of 1st day picks and money spent on defense and they just play steady. THen we all complain that they don't make the Pro Bowl. You have to make plays to make the Pro Bowl. BUT you have to be given the opportunity to make plays.

 

[tommyboy10]

Here are my problems with Parcells. He is too set in his ways. It's been so long that people probably forget, but I do believe he won his last SB in a nailbiter with a missed FG by the Bills kicker. He would probably never allow his team to rout a team like we routed the Bills on our first SB. He gets upset that his players are not nasty enough or don't play fast enough...yet he coaches not to lose. When players are constantly told to keep everything in front of them, not to give up the big play....they tend to think that backpedalling is good. Do you see the Eagles backpedalling. They dare you to try and stop them. Now the irony is that we have the talent to play like that, yet we play like scared chickens. This is nothing new and has been going on every since Jimmy left. Year after year of this kind of crap makes the team ZERO fun to play for and turns the players into robots.

Why do you think TO and GLenn were made yesterday. BEcause they have to listen to these garbage CBs for the Eagles talk crap when they know they cannot cover them. Roy is not allowed to blitz...James is not allowed to blitz...we have tons of 1st day picks and money spent on defense and they just play steady. THen we all complain that they don't make the Pro Bowl. You have to make plays to make the Pro Bowl. BUT you have to be given the opportunity to make plays.

Exactly

 

[TtownCowboy]

Here are my problems with Parcells. He is too set in his ways. It's been so long that people probably forget, but I do believe he won his last SB in a nailbiter with a missed FG by the Bills kicker. He would probably never allow his team to rout a team like we routed the Bills on our first SB. He gets upset that his players are not nasty enough or don't play fast enough...yet he coaches not to lose. When players are constantly told to keep everything in front of them, not to give up the big play....they tend to think that backpedalling is good. Do you see the Eagles backpedalling. They dare you to try and stop them. Now the irony is that we have the talent to play like that, yet we play like scared chickens. This is nothing new and has been going on every since Jimmy left. Year after year of this kind of crap makes the team ZERO fun to play for and turns the players into robots.

Why do you think TO and GLenn were made yesterday. BEcause they have to listen to these garbage CBs for the Eagles talk crap when they know they cannot cover them. Roy is not allowed to blitz...James is not allowed to blitz...we have tons of 1st day picks and money spent on defense and they just play steady. THen we all complain that they don't make the Pro Bowl. You have to make plays to make the Pro Bowl. BUT you have to be given the opportunity to make plays.

Exactly. It is his whole freakin' philosophy:bang2:

 

[Stautner]

Consider this:

Let's suppose that it's 3rd down and 12 yards to go for a 1st down.

Scenario 1: The coaches call an incredibly stupid play - a straight handoff up the middle and the opposing team has strong interior D-linemen and a great MLB. But we run the play to perfection - the O-linemen firing off the ball and opening a huge hole, the FB picking up the MLB, receivers getting downfield blocks, and the play goes for a long gain.

Scenario 2: The coaches call the perfect play - a pass to TO on the weakside, TO has one on one coverage and the Safeties are all cheating to the strong side. Unfortunately the execution isn't there - take your pick as to why (Flozell misses a block and Bledsoe gets sacked, TO drops the ball, Bledsoe throws a bad pass, Bledsoe misreads the coverage and throws to someone else, the snap is bad, etc .......).

The thing to learn from this is that great execution can make up for a poor play call, but a great play call can't make up for poor execution.

Accordingly, while play calling certainly matters, execution is the key to success.

 

[5Stars]

Here are my problems with Parcells. He is too set in his ways. It's been so long that people probably forget, but I do believe he won his last SB in a nailbiter with a missed FG by the Bills kicker. He would probably never allow his team to rout a team like we routed the Bills on our first SB. He gets upset that his players are not nasty enough or don't play fast enough...yet he coaches not to lose. When players are constantly told to keep everything in front of them, not to give up the big play....they tend to think that backpedalling is good. Do you see the Eagles backpedalling. They dare you to try and stop them. Now the irony is that we have the talent to play like that, yet we play like scared chickens. This is nothing new and has been going on every since Jimmy left. Year after year of this kind of crap makes the team ZERO fun to play for and turns the players into robots.

Why do you think TO and GLenn were made yesterday. BEcause they have to listen to these garbage CBs for the Eagles talk crap when they know they cannot cover them. Roy is not allowed to blitz...James is not allowed to blitz...we have tons of 1st day picks and money spent on defense and they just play steady. THen we all complain that they don't make the Pro Bowl. You have to make plays to make the Pro Bowl. BUT you have to be given the opportunity to make plays.

What bbailey423 just said!

You win the turkey...

 

[Stautner]

When players are constantly told to keep everything in front of them, not to give up the big play....they tend to think that backpedalling is good.

Yep, that's exactly what happened yesterday - we laid back and kept everything in front of us (not sure that the Eagles receivers would agree as they were being chased from behind all the way to the end zone).

 

[TtownCowboy]

Consider this:

Let's suppose that it's 3rd down and 12 yards to go for a 1st down.

Scenario 1: The coaches call an incredibly stupid play - a straight handoff up the middle and the opposing team has strong interior D-linemen and a great MLB. But we run the play to perfection - the O-linemen firing off the ball and opening a huge hole, the FB picking up the MLB, receivers getting downfield blocks, and the play goes for a long gain.

Scenario 2: The coaches call the perfect play - a pass to TO on the weakside, TO has one on one coverage and the Safeties are all cheating to the strong side. Unfortunately the execution isn't there - take your pick as to why (Flozell misses a block and Bledsoe gets sacked, TO drops the ball, Bledsoe throws a bad pass, Bledsoe misreads the coverage and throws to someone else, the snap is bad, etc .......).

The thing to learn from this is that great execution can make up for a poor play call, but a great play call can't make up for poor execution.

Accordingly, while play calling certainly matters, execution is the key to success.

Let me rephrase then. How about different formations to protect your QB who's getting his chinos busted by the blitz. The shotgun, having him role out, a screen pass, a hb delay. These plays were working against the eagles blitz in the 2nd half but we didn't stick w/them. That is on coaching and
gameplanning.

 

[tommyboy10]

Consider this:

Let's suppose that it's 3rd down and 12 yards to go for a 1st down.

Scenario 1: The coaches call an incredibly stupid play - a straight handoff up the middle and the opposing team has strong interior D-linemen and a great MLB. But we run the play to perfection - the O-linemen firing off the ball and opening a huge hole, the FB picking up the MLB, receivers getting downfield blocks, and the play goes for a long gain.

Scenario 2: The coaches call the perfect play - a pass to TO on the weakside, TO has one on one coverage and the Safeties are all cheating to the strong side. Unfortunately the execution isn't there - take your pick as to why (Flozell misses a block and Bledsoe gets sacked, TO drops the ball, Bledsoe throws a bad pass, Bledsoe misreads the coverage and throws to someone else, the snap is bad, etc .......).

The thing to learn from this is that great execution can make up for a poor play call, but a great play call can't make up for poor execution.

Accordingly, while play calling certainly matters, execution is the key to success.

AGAIN, AND FOR THE LAST TIME:

Yes, execution is important, but if you don't call the best game and plays to put your players in the best position to execute, you fail. The original thread was talking about Parcell's falling behind the curve of some other coaches that are doing a better job, and with less talent too. Our whole point is and has been this: Even though we are loser armchair QB's, facts are facts, and Bill is not ahead of the Curve anymore....His inability to get more out of this talent puts him in a group of coaches that, based on his years with the Boys, is the group of more mediocre coaches. Other coaches are doing a much better job.

AGAIN, THAT IS AND HAS BEEN THE WHOLE POINT THE WHOLE TIME!