Just Curious Your Take On Our Coach?

[Doomsday101]

My only problem with your position is, What does it matter what has happened in the past.

I get kinda confused when Parcells supporter don't use his own measuring stick to evaluate him.

"No matter what you have done in the past, at some point you have to prove you can still get the job done"

So far, he's .500.

And another Parcells comment "You are what your record says you are"

So I am confused as to why people who support him don't use his own methods of evaluation to evaluate his performance.

I think that is a fair assesment. Dallas is 500 under Parcells and he was not brought here to be 500 however being 500 after week 4 of the season does not mean we will be 500 when the season ends. My expectation have not changed for this season I expect this team to be in the post-season if they fail then the failure will rest with Parcells until then I continue to support him and will continue to show faith in him. I'm not going to complain about the ride until the trip is through.

 

[FLCowboyFan]

Here is the rest of the list just to have fun:

11. 1967-1985 Bud Grant 168 109 5 .607 0-4 1-0
12. 1981- Joe Gibbs 157 82 .657 3-1
13. 1978-1997 Marv Levy 154 120 .562 0-4
14. 1992- Bill Cowher 153 91 1 .627 1-1
15. 1931-1953 Steve Owen 153 108 17 .581 2-6
16. 1992- Mike Holmgren 148 95 .609 1-2
17. 1960-1977 Hank Stram 136 100 10 .573 1-1 3-1
18. 1954-1973 Weeb Ewbank 134 130 7 .507 1-0 1-1
19. 1988- Mike Shannahan 130 79 .622 2-0
20. 1982-1999 Mike Ditka 127 101 .557 1-0
21. 1986-2001 Jim Mora 125 112 .527
22. 1989-2001 George Seifert 124 67 .649 2-0
23. 1955-1974 Sid Gillman 123 104 7 .541 1-4
24. 1976-2005 Dick Vermeil 120 109 .524 1-1
25. 1966-1977 George Allen 118 54 5 .681 0-1
26. 1973-1986 Don Coryell 114 89 1 .561
27. 1949-1964 Buddy Parker 113 82 9 .576 2-1
28. 1992- Dennis Green 112 91 .552
29. 1969-1978 John Madden 112 39 7 .731 1-0 0-1
30. 1991- Bill Belichick 110 79 .582 3-0
31. 1996- Tony Dungy 107 66 .615
32. 1979-1988 Bill Walsh 102 63 1 .617 3-0
33. 1959-1969 Vince Lombardi 105 35 6 .740 2-0 5-1
34. 1979-1994 Tom Flores 105 90 .538 2-0
35. 1994- Jeff Fisher 102 89 .534 0-1
36. 1960-1976 Lou Saban 97 101 7 .490 2-0
37. 1995- Tom Coughlin 89 80 .527
38. 1989-1999 Jimmy Johnson 89 68 .569 2-0
39. 1975-1998 Ted Marchibroda 89 102 1 .466
40. 1921-1948 Jimmy Conzelman 88 64 18 .571 2-1
41. 1975-1994 Jack Pardee 88 82 .518
42. 1984-1995 Sam Wyche 87 109 .444 0-1
43. 1975-1985 Bum Phillips 86 80 .518
44. 1993-2004 Dave Wannstedt 84 90 .483
45. 1936-1949 Ray Flaherty 80 37 5 .676 2-2
46. 1963-1970 Blanton Collier 79 38 2 .672 1-3
47. 1983-1991 John Robinson 79 74 .516
48. 1998- Jon Gruden 78 58 .574 1-0
49. 1999- Andy Reid 78 42 .650 0-1
50. 1992-2000 Bobby Ross 77 68 .531 0-1
51. 1975-1987 Forrest Gregg 77 87 1 .470 0-1
52. 1941-1950 Earle Greasy Neal 76 52 7 .589 2-1
53. 1997-2005 Steve Mariucci 75 71 .514
54. 1968-1980 Dick Nolan 71 85 5 .457
55. 1957-1969 George Wilson 70 84 8 .457 1-0
56. 1999- Brian Billick 67 52 .563 1-0
57. 1988-1996 Wayne Fontes 67 71 .486
58. 1961-1974 Norm Van Brockli 66 100 7 .402
59. 1931-1940 Potsy Clark 65 42 12 .597 1-0
60. 1961-1970 Wally Lemm 65 66 7 .496 1-1
61. 1961-1969 Allie Sherman 63 62 4 .504 0-3
62. 1986-1993 Jerry Glanville 63 71 .470
63. 2000-2005 Mike Martz 60 43 .583 0-1
64. 1997-2003 Jim Fassel 60 56 1 .517 0-1
65. 2000-2005 Mike Sherman 59 43 .578
66. 1994-2005 Norv Turner 59 83 1 .416
67. 1922-1927 Guy Chamberlin 58 16 7 .759 4-0
68. 1952-1968 Joe Kuharich 58 81 3 .419
69. 1989- Art Shell 56 41 .577
70. 1986-1995 Buddy Ryan 55 58 1 .487
71. 1954-1960 Jim Lee Howell 55 29 4 .648 1-2
72. 1986-1991 Jerry Burns 55 46 .545
73. 1982-1991 Ron Meyer 54 52 .509
74. 1983-1989 Joe Walton 54 59 1 .478
75. 1961-1968 Mike Holovak 53 47 9 .528 0-1
76. 1950-1960 Lawrence Buck Shaw 53 41 3 .562 1-0
77. 1975-1983 Bart Starr 53 77 3 .410
78. 1924-1931 LeRoy Andrews 51 28 4 .639
79. 1976-1984 Monte Clark 51 69 1 .426
80. 1977-1986 Leeman Bennett 51 72 .415
81. 1984-1989 Raymond Berry 51 41 .554 0-1
82. 1995-2005 Dom Capers 48 80 .375

 

[Stautner]

I'm not saying that, but I do think other teams are better more of the time at using their strengths. Like our teams in the 90's. People knew what we were going to do, and couldn't stop it, right?

Don't get me wrong, they have their jobs for a reason. But when people can do better than others, people get replaced, as they should. But no, I never said,and never will say, that I could do better. But it'd be fun to try!

Think about what you are saying - if teams knew what we were going to do then how is it that the play calling was so great?

It's mind boggling that you would suggest that being predictable in the 1990's ("people knew what we were going to do") proves the coaches were better at play calling and game planning than other coaches........?

That is so far from logical its comical to imagine.

Being successful even when the opposing team knows what you are going to do is a function of talent and execution, not play calling.

 

[noshame]

I made a mistake once years ago, I stuck with a coach till the bitter end. It wasn't till a few years later, after he was gone, I realized the game had passed him bye in his last five years or so. His name was Tom Landry, and I loved him like a father.

In the words of the all time great philosopher," this is like deja vu all over again" Except, I have no history with this man, and the writing is on the wall.

 

[tommyboy10]

Think about what you are saying - if teams knew what we were going to do then how is it that the play calling was so great?

It's mind boggling that you would suggest that being predictable in the 1990's ("people knew what we were going to do") proves the coaches were better at play calling and game planning than other coaches........?

That is so far from logical its comical to imagine.

Being successful even when the opposing team knows what you are going to do is a function of talent and execution, not play calling.

I was refering to the play calling to your strengths with that example. Go back and read.

Thanks for trying though

 

[Juke99]

You obviously don't understand the meaning of "currently."

(It's an inside-the-thread joke, Juke. Read the original question posed, the reponses, and then you'll get how silly this all is).

I'm glad I'm on the outside.

 

[Stautner]

I was refering to the play calling to your strengths with that example. Go back and read.

Thanks for trying though

Come on - be realistic. Name one offensive strength this team has that would work even if the other team knew what was coming.

I'll hold my breath while I wait .........

 

[Juke99]

I think that is a fair assesment. Dallas is 500 under Parcells and he was not brought here to be 500 however being 500 after week 4 of the season does not mean we will be 500 when the season ends. My expectation have not changed for this season I expect this team to be in the post-season if they fail then the failure will rest with Parcells until then I continue to support him and will continue to show faith in him. I'm not going to complain about the ride until the trip is through.

Thanks.

I wasn't referring to being .500 this season but since Parcells took the team over.

 

[FLCowboyFan]

I think I get it now....his logic is that only:

Gruden
Belichick
Cowher

are any good because they won the SB in the past 3 years......that leaves BP out by the way. Again I like BP but he has not proven that he will win in Dallas yet.

 

[tommyboy10]

Come on - be realistic. Name one offensive strength this team has that would work even if the other team knew what was coming.

I'll hold my breath while I wait .........

Hmmm...quick slant to TO....how many of those did we try yesterday?

Now, you don't have to turn blue in the face.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Hmmm...quick slant to TO....how many of those did we try yesterday?

Now, you don't have to turn blue in the face.

One, owens never really gave an effort to catch it. He was busy looking for defenders.

 

[tommyboy10]

One, owens never really gave an effort to catch it. He was busy looking for defenders.

That wasn't a quick slant, it was a crossing route/beheading.

 

[Doomsday101]

Thanks.

I wasn't referring to being .500 this season but since Parcells took the team over.

I understand that however he did take over a team that was a mess so part of that is acceptable at least in my eyes. This season I feel we have the parts to win, granted we have some issues like most teams but I think this team still has the talent to make it too post season. I know after yesterday many will disagree but I'll stand behind this team and Parcells until they prove me wrong

 

[Dave_in-NC]

That wasn't a quick slant, it was a crossing route/beheading.

Either way the ball was catchable and should have been caught. He's allowed to pick and choose what he will catch?

 

[TtownCowboy]

The point of this whole thread was I don't think BP is a game day coach. I want a game day coach/motivator/talent evaluator. I want it all and I just don't think Parcells has it anymore. I named coaches who I think currently do. I guess I'm just spoiled and tired of settling for mediocrity. Maybe that is just me

 

[Juke99]

I understand that however he did take over a team that was a mess so part of that is acceptable at least in my eyes. This season I feel we have the parts to win, granted we have some issues like most teams but I think this team still has the talent to make it too post season. I know after yesterday many will disagree but I'll stand behind this team and Parcells until they prove me wrong

I could be a putz and say that the mess he took over was the roster that gave him his only playoff appearance.

He's .500. If I take his philosophy, he is what his record says he is. Mediocre.

And in this era of the NFL, it doesn't take that long to turn a team around.

Hey, time will tell. I'll be rooting my butt off in the hopes that I'm wrong about him.

 

[tommyboy10]

Either way the ball was catchable and should have been caught. He's allowed to pick and choose what he will catch?

Seriously, the question was a strength we didn't go to that they would have a hard time stopping. The quick slant is just one answer. I stand by my response. What you said is ridiculous, not to mention, people never got back to the original question...Read it and Cmon back.

 

[TtownCowboy]

I could be a putz and say that the mess he took over was the roster that gave him his only playoff appearance.

He's .500. If I take his philosophy, he is what his record says he is. Mediocre.

And in this era of the NFL, it doesn't take that long to turn a team around.

Hey, time will tell. I'll be rooting my butt off in the hopes that I'm wrong about him.

AMEN. Thank you sir.

 

[Doomsday101]

I could be a putz and say that the mess he took over was the roster that gave him his only playoff appearance.

He's .500. If I take his philosophy, he is what his record says he is. Mediocre.

And in this era of the NFL, it doesn't take that long to turn a team around.

Hey, time will tell. I'll be rooting my butt off in the hopes that I'm wrong about him.

Your right and by BP own words you are right. Your also right the mess he took over did make the playoffs with a 5-11 last place schedule and some good breaks along the way. This is BP 4th season in Dallas and I expect this team to be there in the end and I don't think your 4th year as coach is taking too long. Will see, I'll go down with the ship supporting Parcells but I'm not going to bail on him or this team.

 

[tommyboy10]

I could be a putz and say that the mess he took over was the roster that gave him his only playoff appearance.

He's .500. If I take his philosophy, he is what his record says he is. Mediocre.

And in this era of the NFL, it doesn't take that long to turn a team around.

Hey, time will tell. I'll be rooting my butt off in the hopes that I'm wrong about him.

Me too....I agree totally.