Just Don't Get It

[SouthernStar]

I love when people say dumb **** like this. Tell me the EXACT players we got from that deal.

It is simply referred to as "The Trade." It was the largest player trade in NFL history, and it led to a Super Bowl caliber Vikings squad being decimated, a 2-time Super Bowl champion Cowboys team being built, and Vikings GM Mike Lynn being perhaps the most hated man in the world by Vikings fans. The Trade took place on October 12, 1989. Believing the Vikings to be only a big-time RB away from winning it all, Lynn acquired Herschel Walker from the Cowboys and new owner Jerry Jones and new coach Jimmy Johnson for 5 roster players (LB Jesse Solomon, DB Issiac Holt, RB Darrin Nelson, LB David Howard, DE Alex Stewart), and 6 assorted draft picks (conditional 1st & 2nd round in '90 and '91; 1st round and conditional 3rd in '92).

Nelson, upset at being traded, refused to report to the Cowboys and was traded to the San Diego Chargers, ultimately returning to the Vikings. The result of the trade to San Diego was the Vikings sending a 6th round pick in 1990 and the original conditional 2nd round pick in 1991, and the Chargers sending their 5th round pick in 1990 to Minnesota via Dallas. The Cowboys then waived DE Alex Stewart and threatened to waive other players in order to get all of the conditional draft picks. In February 1990, the Cowboys traded their 3rd and 10th round picks and their 1991 3rd rounder to the Vikings so that they could keep the 3 remaining roster players and all of the conditional draft picks. So the initial trade looked as follows:

Please, spare the details and just tell me who ended up with with our picks and who was drafted with them. Fine. Be that way, click here.

Vikings Cowboys
RB Herschel Walker LB Jesse Solomon
Dallas's 3rd round pick - 1990 (54) LB David Howard
San Diego's 5th round pick - 1990 (116) CB Isaac Holt
Dallas's 10th round pick - 1990 (249) Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1991 (21)
Dallas's 3rd round pick - 1991 (68) Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1990 (47)
Minnesota's 6th round pick in 1990 (158)
NOTE: Brackets () indicate Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1991 (conditional) - (11)
the overall pick number. Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1991 (conditional) - (38)
Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1993 (conditional) - (13)
Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1992 (conditional) - (40)
Minnesota's 3rd round pick in 1992 (conditional) - (71)

On April 19, 1990 Dallas traded Minnesota's 2nd pick and Kansas City's 3rd pick in 1990 to San Francisco for RB Terrence Flagler, DE Daniel Stubbs, SF 3rd round pick in 1990 and SF 11th round pick in 1990.

On April 22, 1990 (draft day), Dallas traded Minnesota's 1st pick in 1990 and SF 3rd pick in 1990 to Pittsburgh for Pitt's 1st round pick (#21 and #81 for #17) and selected RB Ambit Smith. With the #21 pick, Pittsburgh selected TE Eric Green. Minnesota picked TE Mike Jones with the #54 pick, WR Reggie Thorton with the #116 pick and WR Pat Newman with the #249 pick. San Francisco selected DT Dennis Brown with the #47 pick. Dallas traded Minnesota's 6th round pick, an 8th round pick from NE, a 9th round pick from Seattle, a 10th round pick from Indianapolis and an 11th round pick from San Francisco to the LA Raiders for LA's fifth round choice in 1990, DB Stan Smagala (#122 overall). Minnesota's 6th round pick (#158) ended up in New Orleans who selected LB James Williams (Mississippi State). San Francisco's 3rd and 11th round picks (#81 and #304 overall) ended up with New Orleans (DL Craig Veasey - Houston) and LA Raiders (RB Myron Jones from Fresno State) respectively.

On September 3, 1990 Dallas traded Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1991 (#38 overall) and its own 5th round pick in 1991 (#105 overall) to Houston for RB Alonzo Highsmith.

On April 19, 1991 (draft) Dallas traded Minnesota's 1st pick, Dallas' 2nd, DB Ron Francis, LB David Howard and LB Eugene Lockhart to New England for New England's 1st pick (#1 overall) and selected DT Russell Maryland. With Minnesota's pick (#11 overall) New England selected OL Pat Harlow. With the #38 pick, Houston picked DB Darryl Lewis (Arizona). With Dallas' 3rd round pick (#68 overall) Minnesota selected WR Jake Reed.

On Sept. 16, 1991 Dallas traded LB Jesse Solomon to New England (who sent him to TB) for New England's 6th round pick (#149 overall) in 1992.

On April 26, 1992 (draft) Dallas traded Minnesota's 1st and 3rd round picks (#13 and #71 overall) to New England for NE 1st, 2nd and 4th round picks (#19, #37 and #104 overall). Dallas traded the #19 and #104 picks to Atlanta for Atlanta's 1st and 5th round picks (#17 and #120 overall). Dallas traded Minnesota's 2nd round pick (#40 overall) to Kansas City for 2nd and 3rd round picks (#47 and #74 overall). Dallas traded the #47, #74 picks to Washington for a 2nd and a 3rd round pick (#56 and #58 overall). Dallas traded the #56 pick to Detroit for 3rd, 4th and 9th round picks (#82, #109 and #250 overall).

In the 1992 draft Dallas selected CB Kevin Smith (#17 - Texas A&M), S Darren Woodson (#37 - Arizona State), CB Clayton Holmes (#58 - Carson Newman, OL James Brown (#82 - Virginia State), G Tom Myslinski (#109 - Tennessee), S Greg Briggs (#120 - Texas Southern), TE Fallon Wacasey (#149 - Tulsa), S Chris Hall (#250 - East Carolina). New England selected T Eugene Chung (#13 - Virginia Tech) and RB Kevin Turner (#71 - Alabama) and Kansas City selected QB Matt Blundin (#40 - Virginia) with Minnesota's original picks.

The 1992 draft completed the trade. Herschel Walker was released by the Vikings in May 1992 and was picked up by Philadelphia and eventually ended up back with the Cowboys in 1996. Mike Jones was supposed to be the replacement for Jordan but never lived up to expectations; he was waived in 1992. Thorton did not make the team, Newman was lost in Plan B (Saints). Jake Reed is still with the Vikings. The Cowboys waived Holt in 1993 (Kevin Smith took over); Highsmith, Fragler, Stubbs were disappointments and were waived after a year; the lower picks in 1992 did not make the team.

The end results of the trade after 1992: Vikings Cowboys
WR Jake Reed RB Emmitt Smith
DT Russell Maryland
CB Kevin Smith
S Darren Woodson
CB Clayton Holmes

Players selected with the actual picks traded to Dallas: 1990 1st Round (#21) TE Eric Green Pittsburgh
1990 2nd Round (#47) DT Dennis Brown San Francisco
1990 6th Round (#158) LB James Williams New Orleans
1991 1st Round (#11) OT Pat Harlow New England
1991 2nd Round (#38) DB Darryl Lewis Houston
1992 1st Round (#13) OL Eugene Chung New England
1992 2nd Round (#40) QB Matt Blundin Kansas City
1992 3rd Round (#71) RB Kevin Turner New England


Perhaps the Vikings could've salvaged something out of having decimated their team for one player (particularly their defense), but Walker was never used properly by the coaching brain trust (a total oxymoron in this case). Walker left the Vikings for Philadelphia soon after, and ultimately wound up back in Dallas, an ironic completion of Herschel's journey.

 

[Rack]

Go back and read everything I posted.

Did I once mention only FA's?

thanks for playing.

So you're stupid... and gutless?



Dude, you're wrong. Just admit and move on.

 

[superpunk]

Go back and read everything I posted.

Did I once mention only FA's?

thanks for playing.

And we've outlined the difference between the WAYS the two teams spent their money. THAT is what is different. Yes New England spent cash, because they had their own palyers to retain. The Skins would much rather overspend for FAs, forcing them to release the players brought up through their system.

Again, Dallas is doing things the proven way, during the salary cap era. The Skins are doing things the way that has ALWAYS failed. Maybe the winds are changing, maybe not.

My money's on not.

 

[BigDFan5]

Go and read.

Tom Brady and Dillion agreed to restructure after big deals. Same with a number of their guys.

My point is that New England spent on players. I didn't say from where.

I also said I wasn't crazy with the Randel El thing earlier today.

So then you agree the other guys were right, the Pats model was not to go out and buy other teams players they spend money on their own.


BTW in 2004 the restructured Brady to pay him more money not less

 

[Wheat]

That was uncalled for.

I said that New England spent money during their runs.

I didn't focus on their own, or free agents because they do it with both.

Then you called me gutless because I showed that the years New Englad won, they weren't way under the cap. They spent cash to win.

That was my whole point.

I appreciate your comments though. Shows some quality in you.

 

[BigDFan5]

.The Trade

First I find it amusing you had to google an answer.

Second now tell me after all was said and done. All the picks were made, and players we didnt want cut. Who ended up on the Dallas Cowboys

 

[Wheat]

So then you agree the other guys were right, the Pats model was not to go out and buy other teams players they spend money on their own.


BTW in 2004 the restructured Brady to pay him more money not less

well, actually my point was that you need to spend to win.

Baltimore, Tampa and New England each did it differently.....except they spent.


Some teams did it with free agents they signed at QB, WR and RB. Some did it with homegrown talent. Some did it with both (New England).

There is no specific model.

 

[Wheat]

And we've outlined the difference between the WAYS the two teams spent their money. THAT is what is different. Yes New England spent cash, because they had their own palyers to retain. The Skins would much rather overspend for FAs, forcing them to release the players brought up through their system.

Again, Dallas is doing things the proven way, during the salary cap era. The Skins are doing things the way that has ALWAYS failed. Maybe the winds are changing, maybe not.

My money's on not.

Why do you keep replying? I haven't said a word to you in this thread.

 

[superpunk]

Wheat, noone ever said New England operated way under the cap. You missed our point. The Cowboys are doing things the way that has been proven by the Patriots to work. Build through the draft, sign role players, etc.

The Skins are doing it the way that has failed.

 

[BigDFan5]

well, actually my point was that you need to spend to win.

Baltimore, Tampa and New England each did it differently.....except they spent.


Some teams did it with free agents they signed at QB, WR and RB. Some did it with homegrown talent. Some did it with both (New England).

There is no specific model.

Tampa, Baltimore, and New England have 1 thing in common. most of the money they spent was on retaining their own players not going out and buying up free agents

 

[Rack]

That was uncalled for.

I said that New England spent money during their runs.

I didn't focus on their own, or free agents because they do it with both.

Then you called me gutless because I showed that the years New Englad won, they weren't way under the cap. They spent cash to win.

That was my whole point.

I appreciate your comments though. Shows some quality in you.

If that was your point, then you completely missed the point that started the whole discussion.

Not surprising.

 

[superpunk]

Why do you keep replying? I haven't said a word to you in this thread.

My, someone's a little big for his britches, eh, little fella?

It's a forum. You're gonna get responses.

 

[SouthernStar]

First I find it amusing you had to google an answer.

Who could remember all that?

Second now tell me after all was said and done. All the picks were made, and players we didnt want cut. Who ended up on the Dallas Cowboys

per scout.com:
it led to............ 2-time Super Bowl champion Cowboys team being built

Per espn.com:
Cowboys build dynasty around Herschel Walker deal
The Dallas Cowboys' success in the 1990s can be traced directly to this transaction as it gave Jimmy Johnson the "raw material" he needed to build his juggernaut.

Per a Herschel Walker site:
When Dallas was finished dealing, the Walker trade yielded 19 new players for the Cowboys. The blockbuster deal ultimately helped Dallas become Super Bowl champions.

Per a Dallas Cowboys' trivia site:
the blockbuster trade eventually brought an influx of new talent that would fuel the Cowboys' return to greatness.

per Wickipedia:
In 1989, at the height of his NFL career, the Cowboys traded his rights to the Minnesota Vikings in exchange for a total of five players. This was judged to be one of the seminal events in the return of the Cowboys to the top echelon of the NFL.

And on, and on, and on. Many references to the trade are made in everyday articles to the present. Some are saying that the Texans should draft and trade Reggie Bush in a "Herschel Walker type deal".

As for the players?

RB Emmitt Smith
DT Russell Maryland
CB Kevin Smith
S Darren Woodson

to name a few.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I agree .....it is hard to understand exactly where/how the deadskins do it!

 

[Monte51Coleman]

If they wanted to why did they ask him to restructure and stay?

They told him he could stay if he restructured. That means they would be happy to have him at THEIR price. Who wouldn't? He chose not to.

Again, big difference.

 

[Mavs Man]

On April 22, 1990 (draft day), Dallas traded Minnesota's 1st pick in 1990 and SF 3rd pick in 1990 to Pittsburgh for Pitt's 1st round pick (#21 and #81 for #17) and selected RB Ambit Smith.

I'm not sure where this is from, but the writer used one of the worst typos I've seen regarding a Cowboys player. Ambit Smith?