Kam Wimbley

[Dangerous Dave]

He seemed to be in a bad mood on the day FSU played Syracuse, and
he had a huge game against Eric Winston & the Canes (in fairness to
Winston, it was his 1st game back from a blown knee)

 

[austintodallas]

Going to regret this but here goes....

Is Manny Lawson really a 1st round pick?

He might be a 1st round pick, but I don't think he should be our pick. Carpenter and Wimbley are much better fits for the Cowboys.

We need more of a conventional OLB opposite Ware. One that can stop the run and cover a TE in addition to rushing the passer.

I have reservations regarding Lawson in these areas. He seems more of a pure speed rusher.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Oh my...

How'd I miss this thread earlier? ~wiping drool from face~ :

 

[acheman]

Kiper was on the Collin Cowherd show earlier today and he said Wimbley to the Browns and Lawson to Dallas. Take it for what it is worth, his specualtion, but Mickey and Bill Jones seem to have Carpenter pegged for us. So one of those three I would guess, unless someone falls like a rock. I just remember Mickey saying get me a McGinnest to pay opposite Ware, and that is exactly who Kiper compared Wimbley to.

 

[Rush 2112]

After watching his highlight videos I really like how he goes right at a OT. He obviously has alot of power and good speed. Who ever Ireland likes the best is my man.

You have a link to those?

 

[cowboynDC]

Sign me up!

Unfrotunately, like someone already said... Cleveland loves the guy, so I'm afraid he might be gone by 18. Cleveland might try to move back a few spots and still nab him... if they do that, surely they wouldn't go beyond 17 because they know we'd nab him or Lawson... whichever they might want.

If they move back to say, 16 and we really like one of the OLB's a lot more than the other's... let's say Wimbley... then, if we think he's that special, we need to jump up in front of Cleveland and nab him. Maybe to pick #15 with Denver. We could really piss off Cleveland and get our guy!

If we can get one of the two guys we want Wimbley or Lawson without trading up (surely Denver wants more than an even swap), why would we? Why are we interested in pissing off Cleveland (just curious)?

 

[JonJon]

You have a link to those?

http://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53605

This thread is a gem and should be stickied somewhere like the draft zone.

 

[AsthmaField]

I actually think that this player might be our primary target. We've shown him love at the all star games, we showed him love at the combine, we worked him out privatly, he's clearly on our radar. 6-4 250 lbs DE/OLB that projects very well to a 34 and has a great first step? Yeah, I think he's there.

Yeah, I've thought that too ABQ. If you remember, around the time we were really checking him out at the allstar games, there were some things written about what a great work ethic he has and what great character he has. That has Bill Parcells written all over it.

That factor made us go Ware instead of Merriman last year... Not that Merriman had a bad attitude, but Ware was so golden in the attitude department, that made us go his direction since similar athleticism was present.

That's why I think He and Carpenter would have an edge over Lawson if we rate all three closely in the physical department.

Wimbley has been creeping up the charts, in my mind, as well as in the minds of scouts, for a while now. The closer we get to D-day, the higher he's moved. He certainly has the entire package:

*Speed
*Change of direction (which is big IMO)
*Size
*Athleticism
*Strength
*Aggressivness with a little bit of a mean streak
*Clearly respects the game of football and loves to play
*Work ethic
*Character
*Coachable

He's a little unique in that he plays with a mean streak while still having high character and coachability. Those two things usually are mutually exclusive of one another. That right there puts him up a few notches IMO.

He has everything Bill could want at OLB and then some.

The more I look at him, the more I think he might be our #1 choice out of the big three (Carpenter, Lawson, and Wimbley). Romeo certainly wants him in Cleveland, so I don't know if we'll get the chance to draft him or not.

I just hope that if we do like him head and shoulders above the other two... that we get aggressive and do what it takes to land him.

 

[Woods]

Yeah, I've thought that too ABQ. If you remember, around the time we were really checking him out at the allstar games, there were some things written about what a great work ethic he has and what great character he has. That has Bill Parcells written all over it.

That factor made us go Ware instead of Merriman last year... Not that Merriman had a bad attitude, but Ware was so golden in the attitude department, that made us go his direction since similar athleticism was present.

That's why I think He and Carpenter would have an edge over Lawson if we rate all three closely in the physical department.

Wimbley has been creeping up the charts, in my mind, as well as in the minds of scouts, for a while now. The closer we get to D-day, the higher he's moved. He certainly has the entire package:

*Speed
*Change of direction (which is big IMO)
*Size
*Athleticism
*Strength
*Aggressivness with a little bit of a mean streak
*Clearly respects the game of football and loves to play
*Work ethic
*Character
*Coachable

He's a little unique in that he plays with a mean streak while still having high character and coachability. Those two things usually are mutually exclusive of one another. That right there puts him up a few notches IMO.

He has everything Bill could want at OLB and then some.

The more I look at him, the more I think he might be our #1 choice out of the big three (Carpenter, Lawson, and Wimbley). Romeo certainly wants him in Cleveland, so I don't know if we'll get the chance to draft him or not.

I just hope that if we do like him head and shoulders above the other two... that we get aggressive and do what it takes to land him.

Yup, that's who I think we'll take at 18 (if he's there and we don't trade down).

Also, according to stuff I've read on Wimbley, he has the frame to put on another 15-20 lbs, if necessary. It doesn't seem he'd have a problem getting to 265-275 lbs range. I'm not sure how big BP likes his LBs though.

 

[AsthmaField]

If we can get one of the two guys we want Wimbley or Lawson without trading up (surely Denver wants more than an even swap), why would we? Why are we interested in pissing off Cleveland (just curious)?

There are a few if's involved... I probably didn't make myself clear:

Let's say we like Wimbley, head and shoulders above Carpenter and Lawson. We like Carp and Lawson, but we really, really like Wimbley. Let's say we rate Wimbley a 91 on a scale of 1 - 100, and we rate Carpenter 82 and Lawson 83. Clearly in that case, we think Wimbley would be the better player.

Then, We also would know that Cleveland is interested in Wimbley because of some of the things Romeo C. has said about him. If Cleveland moved down to 16, then we very well migh assume they were targeting Wimbley... our desired pick.

Now, we would know that regardless of who Cleveland took, at least two of the 3 LB's would likely be there at 18. If we rated all three about even, a trade up would make zero sense. However, if we do rate Wimbley a good bit higher than the other two, it would be worth the trade up to 15 with Denver to make sure we got our guy instead of letting Cleveland maybe take him at 16.

Does that make sense... did I explain that correctly?

basically... if all three are about even for us, then stay pat and take who's there. But if we love one guy a lot more than the other two... don't let Cleveland have a shot to take our guy.

 

[Avery]

I'd be satisfied with Wimbley, Lawson or Carpenter at #18.

 

[ddh33]

Wimbley has been my guy for a while. I can't really put my finger on it, but he's the guy I like best. And he certainly does pass the look test. He's also got great intangibles and character.

Lawson, Wimbley, and Carpenter have been the three primary subjects at OLB. I think the team will be fine with any of them - if they choose to go that route. Lawson probably has the highest ceiling. Carpenter is probably the most polished. Wimbley might be the best combination of skills though.

 

[juck]

hes a machine.yes his highlights are awesome ,a surefire star in the nfl.

 

[4lifecowboy]

Lawson, Wimbley, and Carpenter have been the three primary subjects at OLB. I think the team will be fine with any of them - if they choose to go that route. Lawson probably has the highest ceiling. Carpenter is probably the most polished. Wimbley might be the best combination of skills though.

Well said fellow zoner. I agree totally with that assessement.

 

[Dale]

Yeah, can we get a link to his highlight package? I must have missed it.

 

[AsthmaField]

Yeah, can we get a link to his highlight package? I must have missed it.

Here you go, Dale:

http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=0de6ba26-3ea9-4426-91a1-b1d3273ac857&f=rss33

 

[AsthmaField]

Wimbley has been my guy for a while. I can't really put my finger on it, but he's the guy I like best. And he certainly does pass the look test. He's also got great intangibles and character.

Lawson, Wimbley, and Carpenter have been the three primary subjects at OLB. I think the team will be fine with any of them - if they choose to go that route. Lawson probably has the highest ceiling. Carpenter is probably the most polished. Wimbley might be the best combination of skills though.

He does pass the eyeball test. That's one thing that worries me about Lawson is how skinny his lower body is. Very think legs and shins. It may mean absolutely nothing, but that's where a lot of a players strength comes from. However, look at his vertical jump and it's easy to tell that he has explosiveness. Still, it concerns me, even if it shouldn't.

I looked at a few pics of Lawrence Taylor and while his lower body is a tad bit bigger than Lawson's... it isn't a whole lot bigger. So it probably has zero to do with how good a player Lawson could be at OLB. It would probably mean more if he were going to stay at DE.

Wimbley looks to have a little larger base with his lower body, and while he isn't quite as fast as Manny... he's still crazy fast.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Aside from the fact that they went to college programs on the total opposite ends of the spectrem, Wimbley's story is a lot like Ware's. Wimbley was an all around athlete in HS, playing option QB, LB and Punter. He came to college as a 210 lbs. WR prospect. Grew into a LB. He has the frame to get up to 270. Parcells likes for his 3-4 OLB's to be in the 260 range. Wimbley can get there, but I'm not sure Lawson will ever get much above 245.

With McCargo going in the early 2nd/late 1st, somebody from that NC State defensive front is overrated.

 

[Dough Boy]

somebody from that NC State defensive front is overrated.

or maybe the coaching staff should be fired.

 

[peplaw06]

Yeah, I've thought that too ABQ. If you remember, around the time we were really checking him out at the allstar games, there were some things written about what a great work ethic he has and what great character he has. That has Bill Parcells written all over it.

That factor made us go Ware instead of Merriman last year... Not that Merriman had a bad attitude, but Ware was so golden in the attitude department, that made us go his direction since similar athleticism was present.

That's why I think He and Carpenter would have an edge over Lawson if we rate all three closely in the physical department.

Does Lawson have character issues??