Kam Wimbley

[ddh33]

You're just trying to piss off Winicki.

Sorry. I just think it's key for that other LB to also be able to rush the QB. Most LBs can't. If you can find one that can wrestle effectively with NFL tackles, I'm fine with it. I just think that those guys are hard to find. Most LBs don't have that kind of strength.

 

[bbgun]

Andre Wadsworth had the "chiseled out of granite" physique too. Beware.

 

[Rack]

I believe he will go anywhere from #12 to #24. With that said, if Wimbley goes first, then Lawson should be available at pick #18 and vice versa. I really want Lawson though, but after watching footage of Wimbley, I wouldn't be disappointed if was our man. Carpenter looked good to but I am not convinced that he is SOLB material yet.

Carpenter is the best SOLB prospect in the draft.

I'd be satisfied with Wimbley, Lawson or Carpenter at #18.

Wimbley can get there, but I'm not sure Lawson will ever get much above 245.

Lawson has more room to grow then any of the 3 (Carpenter and Wimbley). Lawson could get to 250 before he even started to look like he was gaining weight.

It seems like he's always had his **** together, since an early age.

I wish I could say that. As a junior in high school, I took nothing seriously.

Hell I still don't have my **** together, and I'm 34.

His intangibles are that he is earning a degree in engineering. I would assume having a smart OLB on any side is a good thing.

Football smarts and book smarts aren't the same thing.

I also like on his hightlight video that he played most of his snaps on the left side. He should be familiar with playing with that hand down.

Excellent point.

Meanwhile, guys like Mike Mayock (who was all about D.Ware last year) believes that Lawson is nothing more than a third rounder.

Actually Mayock had Lawson as a 2nd rounder.

Of course, there are the Jason Taylor exception to the rules out there too.

Jason Taylor is a good pass rusher though, not just a speed rusher.

 

[Rack]

Carpenter is also a built a little thicker, and while I think he could play OLB in a 3-4, I'm just not convinced. I'm more of a believer in those DE converts.

Carpenter played some DE last year too. And also put his hand on the ground in passing situations. So although he wasn't a fulltime DE in college, he did the DE part that you're concerned about (rushing the passer), as well as fill in at DE on running downs after one of their players got hurt.


If you're concerned about his pass rushing ability then you're concerned about nothing. If Carpenter couldn't rush the passer, I wouldn't want him.

 

[MiStar]

When it's all said and done, I think Wimbley will be the best passrusher to come out of this draft, whether that be in the 3-4 or 4-3.

 

[Portland Fanatic]

When it's all said and done, I think Wimbley will be the best passrusher to come out of this draft, whether that be in the 3-4 or 4-3.

I think he would be awesome as 3-4 OLB...his abilities are there, and he's a football player through and through.

Ware and Wimbley, with James and Akin in the middle...that's just simpley scary!

 

[ddh33]

Carpenter played some DE last year too. And also put his hand on the ground in passing situations. So although he wasn't a fulltime DE in college, he did the DE part that you're concerned about (rushing the passer), as well as fill in at DE on running downs after one of their players got hurt.


If you're concerned about his pass rushing ability then you're concerned about nothing. If Carpenter couldn't rush the passer, I wouldn't want him.

I think Carpenter CAN. I just don't know if that is where he would be best. I kind of think Carpenter would be better inside in this scheme. I don't mean that to be an indictment against him either. I think he's a heck of a player. If Dallas gets him, I'll be happy.

 

[Rack]

I think he would be awesome as 3-4 OLB...his abilities are there, and he's a football player through and through.

Ware and Wimbley, with James and Akin in the middle...that's just simpley scary!

Sounds good to me. Carpenter, Wimbley, or Lawson... I could live with any of those three. Carpenter and Wimbley are better fits though.

 

[Rack]

I think Carpenter CAN. I just don't know if that is where he would be best. I kind of think Carpenter would be better inside in this scheme. I don't mean that to be an indictment against him either. I think he's a heck of a player. If Dallas gets him, I'll be happy.

Yeah I think he can play inside too. But I think his abilities are what our team currently needs on the outside. I feel the same way about Wimbley. I like Lawson as well, but he really isn't the fit we need. If we didnt' have Ware, Lawson would be #1 on my list.

 

[rexrobinson]

Football smarts and book smarts aren't the same thing.

Except for the fact he played in a division 1 school and is a major NFL prospect, I assume his football smarts (whatever that really means) must be pretty good too. The ability to remember coverages, schemes, plays he had seen on tape and logically put it together and have the dicipline to study it DIRECTLY relates to the fact he has book smarts to fully benifit from.

The fact he even earned a degree in engineering while also being an MVP of the division 1 defense in the ACC goes to show you his grit and determination to be a better person.

If these are not the intangibles your looking for I dont know what are.

 

[AsthmaField]

Heck, I'll admit it. One day I like Lawson best. The next, I think Carpenter is just the perfect fit. The next, Wimbley appears to be everything one could want in a 34 OLB.

I don't think I've ever gone back and forth as much as I have with these three guys. I honestly like one better from one day to the next.

I suppose that's a good thing, but crap, I'm ready for us to frikkin' pick one so I can stop trying to figure out which I like best.

It's just such an important position in our defense and the right player could take it up several notches to the elite status... I think each one would do well... but the right one...

Whichever one it is will be whichever one it is. I'll just say I like all three and defer to Parcells and Ireland.

 

[Rack]

Except for the fact he played in a division 1 school and is a major NFL prospect,

Sorry, but what division he played in doesn't change that fact that football smarts and book smarts are not the same thing.

 

[ddh33]

Here's a question I have asked before, but what does Parcells like to do with his 3-4 scheme? I mean, traditionally, does he like to have two true blitzers on the outside? Does he tend to drift towards the DE converts? Does he like more of a true coverage TE?

History has shown that Bill's past tends to repeat itself. It might be handy to know that information.

 

[Portland Fanatic]

Heck, I'll admit it. One day I like Lawson best. The next, I think Carpenter is just the perfect fit. The next, Wimbley appears to be everything one could want in a 34 OLB.

I don't think I've ever gone back and forth as much as I have with these three guys. I honestly like one better from one day to the next.

I suppose that's a good thing, but crap, I'm ready for us to frikkin' pick one so I can stop trying to figure out which I like best.

It's just such an important position in our defense and the right player could take it up several notches to the elite status... I think each one would do well... but the right one...

Whichever one it is will be whichever one it is. I'll just say I like all three and defer to Parcells and Ireland.

LOL...I'm not that far from you're thinking myself. I do have an order I like best:
Wimbley
Carpenter
Lawson

However, I'd be happy with any of them. In the end I think Wimbley is going to be pretty dang good. My concern with Lawson is his ability to handle the run and lineman coming at him. I have no doubt that Wimbley and Carpenter are built to handle this well.

 

[AsthmaField]

Except for the fact he played in a division 1 school and is a major NFL prospect, I assume his football smarts (whatever that really means) must be pretty good too. The ability to remember coverages, schemes, plays he had seen on tape and logically put it together and have the dicipline to study it DIRECTLY relates to the fact he has book smarts to fully benifit from.

The fact he even earned a degree in engineering while also being an MVP of the division 1 defense in the ACC goes to show you his grit and determination to be a better person.

If these are not the intangibles your looking for I dont know what are.

Book smarts show, I think, the aptitude to learn... cognative reasoning abilities. That certainly helps any player, although some positions have less need for that and are purely more instictual.

At OLB in our scheme, I'd think book smarts are relatively important. Instincts for the position... things like taking angles, using leverage, etc... are very important as well and can be present in a prospect who is sorely lacking in book smarts.

Having both would be ideal in our SOLB.

 

[Rack]

Here's a question I have asked before, but what does Parcells like to do with his 3-4 scheme? I mean, traditionally, does he like to have two true blitzers on the outside? Does he tend to drift towards the DE converts? Does he like more of a true coverage TE?

History has shown that Bill's past tends to repeat itself. It might be handy to know that information.

I think Bill likes to have a good run stuffer with some pass rush skills as his SOLB.


Here's a link to his best SOLB's stats (carl banks)...

Link


Other then one or two seasons, his sack numbers aren't high. He wants a guy that can do both, but stopping the run (on the STRONG side) is more important to him, IMO.

 

[speedkilz88]

Carl Banks is probably is best know strong/left side guy. I think McGinest has been able to play both sides and is probably more of a strong side guy now. Thats where Kirwan saying that BP has compared Lawson to Banks has me sold and I've heard other reports that scouts compare him to McGinest. Wimbley has also been compared to McGinest and Ware too.

 

[AsthmaField]

Another thing about book smarts. I think, that sometimes the bright players can think too much. Almost over analyze things from the snap.

 

[Portland Fanatic]

I think Bill likes to have a good run stuffer with some pass rush skills as his SOLB.


Here's a link to his best SOLB's stats (carl banks)...

Link


Other then one or two seasons, his sack numbers aren't high. He wants a guy that can do both, but stopping the run (on the STRONG side) is more important to him, IMO.

I agree...that's why Lawson is 3rd on my list. If they can't support the run they won't play.

I think Carpenter could contribute against the run and pass defense right out of the gate...and be solid pass rusher.

I think Wimbley could contribute against the run and rush the passer right out of the gate and be decent in pass coverage. I think he has huge upside and ability to cover, but will take some work and time.

In the end Wimbley will be good, so will Carpenter.

 

[rexrobinson]

Sorry, but what division he played in doesn't change that fact that football smarts and book smarts are not the same thing.

Once again Rack you have completly focused on the parts of the post and quoted me out of context in order to justify your own post.