Kam Wimbley

[cowboynDC]

AsthmaField,

Thanks for the reply, and yes that makes sense.

I at first thought it was agenda with just beating Cleveland to the punch (didn't make sense), but I do see the thought behind beating them to the better rated player (if he is the guy we really want).

 

[JIGGYFLY]

or maybe the coaching staff should be fired.

I was thinking along those lines also, to have that much talent in the front seven is ridiculous, do you no what the rank of there D was. I watched them play a couple of times but no one in particular stood out.

 

[bbgun]

Obvious photoshop. That's his head on my body.

 

[Dough Boy]

I was thinking along those lines also, to have that much talent in the front seven is ridiculous, do you no what the rank of there D was. I watched them play a couple of times but no one in particular stood out.

I don't know where they were ranked, but a few of my buddies are Pack fans, and they are not happy with Amato (sp) or his staff. FYI, Amato compares Lawson to Peter Bowlware.

Lawson began his college career as an outside linebacker and didn’t become a fulltime defensive end until his junior season. Big plays have been his specialty, and NC State coach Chuck Amato compares him to four-time Pro Bowler Peter Boulware, who Amato coached at Florida State. Lawson has been a special teams star throughout his tenure with the Wolfpack, blocking seven punts and recovering another for a touchdown.

 

[AsthmaField]

Does Lawson have character issues??

No, I don't think so. And that's what I was saying when I said Merriman didn't have any real character issues either... but we went with Ware because of his known quality character and work ethic. I assume we had Ware and Merriman rated pretty much even athletically, and no negative hits on Merriman for character... but we had positive hits on Ware for his character and that, presumably, was enough for us to draft him over Merriman.

Assuming we have Wimbley and Lawson rated near equal in physical abilities, I'm just speculating that Wimbleys known high character, work ethic and love for the game might move him above Lawson on our board. Again, not that Lawson has any negative hits... but Wimbley is known for his positive intangibles.

Ireland and Parcells put a lot of stock in that. Last year over a hundred players were taken off of the Cowboys board completely because of character related issues. And our draft was the best in the NFL.

 

[BigDave95]

looked at a few pics of Lawrence Taylor and while his lower body is a tad bit bigger than Lawson's... it isn't a whole lot bigger.


All that crack makes you lose weight...

 

[AsthmaField]

Obvious photoshop. That's his head on my body.

:laugh2: :laugh2:

 

[AsthmaField]

looked at a few pics of Lawrence Taylor and while his lower body is a tad bit bigger than Lawson's... it isn't a whole lot bigger.


All that crack makes you lose weight...

Yes, I'm sure he did meet a lot of women... and that can burn quite a few calories, if done correctly.

 

[Portland Fanatic]

This guy is actually my first choice over Lawson and Carpenter, but I would be dang happy with any of them as I think they are all good football players. This guys looked extremely impressive at the combine, very smooth in cuts, fluid hips, and has some really good move to get to the QB.

I think Lawson and Carpenter would provide a more immediate impact on covering pass patterns, but this kid will learn fast.

 

[p1_]

Between FSU and NC State, the top 10/15 may have 4-5 defensive prospects between the 2 schools. Mongolian clusterf***.

 

[Dangerous Dave]

No, I don't think so. And that's what I was saying when I said Merriman didn't have any real character issues either... but we went with Ware because of his known quality character and work ethic. I assume we had Ware and Merriman rated pretty much even athletically, and no negative hits on Merriman for character... but we had positive hits on Ware for his character and that, presumably, was enough for us to draft him over Merriman.

Assuming we have Wimbley and Lawson rated near equal in physical abilities, I'm just speculating that Wimbleys known high character, work ethic and love for the game might move him above Lawson on our board. Again, not that Lawson has any negative hits... but Wimbley is known for his positive intangibles.

Ireland and Parcells put a lot of stock in that. Last year over a hundred players were taken off of the Cowboys board completely because of character related issues. And our draft was the best in the NFL.

He's an impressive young man. He committed to FSU as a junior in HS,
9 months before signing day, and never wavered on his commitment.
Then, he graduated HS a semester early moved to Tallahassee in January.

Of course, maybe he did that because it's about 60 degrees warmer in Tally
than Wichita KS in January, plus there are around 12,000 fine looking
African-American ladies across town at FL A&M ?

Imagine living in a town with 12,000 ladies that look like Woody's Girl?

 

[AsthmaField]

He's an impressive young man. He committed to FSU as a junior in HS,
9 months before signing day, and never wavered on his commitment.
Then, he graduated HS a semester early moved to Tallahassee in January.

Of course, maybe he did that because it's about 60 degrees warmer in Tally
than Wichita KS in January, plus there are around 12,000 fine looking
African-American ladies across town at FL A&M ?

Imagine living in a town with 12,000 ladies that look like Woody's Girl?

They may look like Woody's Girl, but it's more than just her looks... it's her football knowledge too that makes her special.

Not many like her around, that's for sure.

And yes, Wimbley does sound like a special guy. I didn't know he graduated early. It seems like he's always had his **** together, since an early age.

I wish I could say that. As a junior in high school, I took nothing seriously.

 

[DC Cowboy]

Oh my...

How'd I miss this thread earlier? ~wiping drool from face~ :

 

[p1_]

He's an impressive young man. He committed to FSU as a junior in HS,
9 months before signing day, and never wavered on his commitment.
Then, he graduated HS a semester early moved to Tallahassee in January.

Of course, maybe he did that because it's about 60 degrees warmer in Tally
than Wichita KS in January, plus there are around 12,000 fine looking
African-American ladies across town at FL A&M ?

Imagine living in a town with 12,000 ladies that look like Woody's Girl?

Not to mention my personal faves, the FSU cowboys:

http://www.maximonline.com/girls_of_maxim/pictures_and_bio/1177/FSUCowgirls.girl


All I have to say is...Yee Haw!!!


I loves me some Tallahassee.

 

[rexrobinson]

I like this guy and wouldnt be opposed if they drafted him one bit.

Manny Lawson however is 6'5 and some reports have him at 6'6 that is why his calves look so skinny, they are just longer. His vertical jump shows that they are plenty strong. His intangibles are that he is earning a degree in engineering. I would assume having a smart OLB on any side is a good thing.

That being said I like Wimbely and if they draft him it is because B.P and the scouts think he is the best pick and who am I to disagree?

 

[InmanRoshi]

I also like on his hightlight video that he played most of his snaps on the left side. He should be familiar with playing with that hand down.

One thing that bugs me about Lawson's highlight video is he's playing lined up split so wide its like he's just conceeding the running gap.

 

[ddh33]

At this point, I do think that a lot of it is just nit-picking, but what else are we going to do?

Lawson's lack of bulk does bother me. His strength numbers all measure out very well though, so it could just be a body type thing. I certainly see the Jason Taylor comparisons.

But I agree with the thoughts about the NC state defense. What went wrong there? With three potential first round picks, you would have expected more? Did Lawson benefit from playing with those other guys?

Meanwhile, guys like Mike Mayock (who was all about D.Ware last year) believes that Lawson is nothing more than a third rounder.

On the other hand, Pat Kirwan adores the kid. He compares him to Carl Banks. He says he is one of his favorite interviews. He was the defensive MVP of a team that had all of those first rounders. So there are plenty of things to like as well.

Wimbley, on the other hand, does seem to have a little better build. His measureables aren't quite as spectacular, but they are still very impressive. He's also played on a very talented FSU defense, rotating in and out of the lineup, playing both sides.

In the end, this may come down to a matter of who can get the most out of their abilities, and who fits in this system best. I trust Bill on that decision. If he sees Carl Banks in Manny Lawson, then go for it. But if there is very much doubt, I would go with Wimbley. I think he is the safer pick.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Yeah, Lawson's bone structure really bothers me. In reading an article by Bill Walsh about what he looked for in prospects he said he looks at bone structure when determining a player's football strength as much, if not moreso, than weight room strength. Weightroom strength does not always transfer onto the field, and vice versa. Roy Williams only got 13 reps on the bench, but no doubt he's one of the most powerfull safeties in the league because he has a huge bubble butt and a barrell torso. Lawson does have great weightroom strength numbers, but I've never seen him translate that to the football field. He's always been a 1 trick pony speed guy everytime I've watched him, including his highlight films. Of course, there are the Jason Taylor exception to the rules out there too.

 

[ddh33]

Yeah, Lawson's bone structure really bothers me. In reading an article by Bill Walsh about what he looked for in prospects he said he looks at bone structure when determining a player's football strength as much, if not moreso, than weight room strength. Weightroom strength does not always transfer onto the field, and vice versa. Roy Williams only got 13 reps on the bench, but no doubt he's one of the most powerfull safeties in the league because he has a huge bubble butt and a barrell torso. Lawson does have great weightroom strength numbers, but I've never seen him translate that to the football field. He's always been a 1 trick pony speed guy everytime I've watched him, including his highlight films. Of course, there are the Jason Taylor exception to the rules out there too.

I tend to be a believer in that same stuff. Seeing, reading, and hearing about Lawson lining up so wide and relying completely on his speed really concerns me. Of course, I could see him in a 3-4 being able to play to all of his strengths while his weaknesses are somewhat minimized.

Wimbley does have a better frame. I really do like him.

Carpenter is also a built a little thicker, and while I think he could play OLB in a 3-4, I'm just not convinced. I'm more of a believer in those DE converts.

 

[AsthmaField]

I'm more of a believer in those DE converts.

You're just trying to piss off Winicki.