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I'll play along....is there a "player like Zeke" on someone else's roster that will be cut soon? is there a "player like Zeke" sitting on the couch waiting for his phone to ring? Not trying to be rude...but Zeke has pretty much been the NFL rushing champ for all 3 years he has been in the league. We have TRIED the "anybody can run behind this line"...that was Jerry looking for his ego to be stroked and his drafting acumen to be validated. How did that work out? Actually...I'll go back even further...Jerry has said 1 in 500 coaches could coach the Dallas Cowboys. And we have not been back to the Super Bowl...scratch that...the conference title game....since Jimmy Johnsons influence left the building! If it was so easy...we would have already done it. But since we have tried and FAILED...why do we need to see it again when the evidence is already in.

What did Zeke do before we got Amari Cooper last season? He didn't make the team amazing or anything. He's not Barry Sanders.... It takes a lot of cogs to make the machine go. I think Zeke is an absolute weapon, no doubt but he is a dingbell of a person and most likely an alcoholic. Not a guy the franchise should hitch their wagon to long term. Just my .02.
 

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We don't need Zeke? Who else you gonna load up 450 to 500 touches? You can't treated him like a rented mule...then say you don't need him! Has Jerry Jones been paying attention? You are not New England Jerry! This is Jason Garrett. And he would much rather run Zeke with Jumbo packages into 9 man fronts...than design a play that takes innovation, practice and execution. Zeke and his people are not stupid.

Jerry...YOU have kept this old school coach around....and this is what the old school coach NEEDS! You don't need him? Show me the historical evidence? And please...spare me with what Alfred Morris averaged. Or how many yards Darren McFadden gained. NEITHER is half the player Zeke is. NEITHER wears down a defense. NEITHER allows you to control the game and protect your defense. This is how Garrett was successful...and without this...we will return to the pack.

Jerry...YOU decided this a long time ago...probably without you even realizing you were deciding this. All the other millionaires from the front office, to the coaching staff, to a lot of the players....all have made money on the back of this player. Problem is...Zeke is not playing along anymore.

I don't know what you offered him...but I do know he should be the highest paid RB in the NFL. When I think of the Sam Bradfords and Mike Glennons of the world. And all of the MILLIONS they have made...with a clean uniform. Heck even Jason Garrett. And how calm, relaxed, spry they look...and all I picture is Zeke with a walker looking like Earl Campbell. It's NOT right. And if your GOAL is the Super Bowl...Zeke has to be the primary focus of the offense. Dak is a slightly above average QB. Amari is a very good WR..but is he the best player at his position in the NFL....is Amari even a top 5 WR? But I get it...your head coach tried WR by committee...and it was obvious that the head coach offense could not function without an elite talent. And for a team that needs Zeke to dominate....you gonna try RB by committee?

Jerry has done a good job of providing this team with talent. So I get why he thinks we SHOULD be able to do some things....even without Zeke. But this team sucked without Romo. This team sucked without a true #1 WR. And this team will suck without a TRUE workhorse RB. But this is the PRICE you pay for keeping Garrett around!
Without Zeke, we are drafting in the top 12. This offense is offensive without Zeke.
 

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Without Zeke, we are drafting in the top 12. This offense is offensive without Zeke.

There is more evidence that the offense is "offensive" without a weapon like Amari Cooper than not having Zeke. Zeke was there when the O was abysmal last season before Cooper's arrival.
 

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This thread is pretty funny...:yes zeke makes the team better but how much better is anyone’s guess bc we have no clue what we have behind him right now
 

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There is more evidence that the offense is "offensive" without a weapon like Amari Cooper than not having Zeke. Zeke was there when the O was abysmal last season before Cooper's arrival.
There is more evidence that the offense is "offensive" without a weapon like Amari Cooper than not having Zeke. Zeke was there when the O was abysmal last season before Cooper's arrival.
I have 3 work horse years of Zeke Vs 7 games of Amari. My point for paying Zeke before Amari.
 

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I'll play along....is there a "player like Zeke" on someone else's roster that will be cut soon? is there a "player like Zeke" sitting on the couch waiting for his phone to ring? Not trying to be rude...but Zeke has pretty much been the NFL rushing champ for all 3 years he has been in the league. We have TRIED the "anybody can run behind this line"...that was Jerry looking for his ego to be stroked and his drafting acumen to be validated. How did that work out? Actually...I'll go back even further...Jerry has said 1 in 500 coaches could coach the Dallas Cowboys. And we have not been back to the Super Bowl...scratch that...the conference title game....since Jimmy Johnsons influence left the building! If it was so easy...we would have already done it. But since we have tried and FAILED...why do we need to see it again when the evidence is already in.

You're really getting desperate with these awful comparisons.
 

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I have 3 work horse years of Zeke Vs 7 games of Amari. My point for paying Zeke before Amari.

I'll see your "3 years" and raise you 1,845 yards for Demarco Murray in 2014 (Zeke ever do that?) and Darren McFadden being #4 in rushing in 2015, despite a late start and no quarterback.

There's a clear trend.
 
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Dumbo, that was last year, not this year. New year...new season and new players.

How about the fact that the numbers have no context whatsoever? I have no idea how many attempts there were with Zeke and without him? How can there be any sort of a meaningful comparison made without those numbers?
 

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There's no need to even talk to Zeke now. He either shows up for game 1 or loses game checks. Players don't like to
lose game checks. Zeke is under contract for the next two seasons. People need to just chill. Stephen is just running the
cash register efficiently.

It's too bad Stephen can't run his mouth efficiently. Announcing that Gurley's deal is the starting point for Zeke was asinine. Thinking it is one thing, telling Zeke and his agent (and anyone else who was listening) was foolish.
 

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We don't need Zeke? Who else you gonna load up 450 to 500 touches? You can't treated him like a rented mule...then say you don't need him! Has Jerry Jones been paying attention? You are not New England Jerry! This is Jason Garrett. And he would much rather run Zeke with Jumbo packages into 9 man fronts...than design a play that takes innovation, practice and execution. Zeke and his people are not stupid.

Jerry...YOU have kept this old school coach around....and this is what the old school coach NEEDS! You don't need him? Show me the historical evidence? And please...spare me with what Alfred Morris averaged. Or how many yards Darren McFadden gained. NEITHER is half the player Zeke is. NEITHER wears down a defense. NEITHER allows you to control the game and protect your defense. This is how Garrett was successful...and without this...we will return to the pack.

Jerry...YOU decided this a long time ago...probably without you even realizing you were deciding this. All the other millionaires from the front office, to the coaching staff, to a lot of the players....all have made money on the back of this player. Problem is...Zeke is not playing along anymore.

I don't know what you offered him...but I do know he should be the highest paid RB in the NFL. When I think of the Sam Bradfords and Mike Glennons of the world. And all of the MILLIONS they have made...with a clean uniform. Heck even Jason Garrett. And how calm, relaxed, spry they look...and all I picture is Zeke with a walker looking like Earl Campbell. It's NOT right. And if your GOAL is the Super Bowl...Zeke has to be the primary focus of the offense. Dak is a slightly above average QB. Amari is a very good WR..but is he the best player at his position in the NFL....is Amari even a top 5 WR? But I get it...your head coach tried WR by committee...and it was obvious that the head coach offense could not function without an elite talent. And for a team that needs Zeke to dominate....you gonna try RB by committee?

Jerry has done a good job of providing this team with talent. So I get why he thinks we SHOULD be able to do some things....even without Zeke. But this team sucked without Romo. This team sucked without a true #1 WR. And this team will suck without a TRUE workhorse RB. But this is the PRICE you pay for keeping Garrett around!

How much each players gets paid does not affect the owners profit.

The salary cap keeps the profit at a steady level.

The amount 1 player makes comes out of the pool of money to pay other players.

The NFL Players Association agreed to the CBA.

Zeke is under contract for 2 more seasons.

He'll just be 25 in March of 2021 and would be a free agent then if he does not sign a contract before that point.

There is NO reason that he should be holding out with two years remaining under contract.

If teams give in to every player that holds out, the system will fall apart.

The fact that the Rams gave in to Aaron Donald probably caused Zeke's holdout.
- Donald held out in part because they had changed to a 3-4 which seemed like a terrible fit for him.
- The Rams basically paid him to accept playing in that scheme.

It's the opposite with Zeke. The Cowboys give him the carries to be the leading rusher.
- Many teams wouldn't give him as many carries.
 

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How much each players gets paid does not affect the owners profit.

The salary cap keeps the profit at a steady level.

The amount 1 player makes comes out of the pool of money to pay other players.

The NFL Players Association agreed to the CBA.

Zeke is under contract for 2 more seasons.

He'll just be 25 in March of 2021 and would be a free agent then if he does not sign a contract before that point.

There is NO reason that he should be holding out with two years remaining under contract.

If teams give in to every player that holds out, the system will fall apart.

The fact that the Rams gave in to Aaron Donald probably caused Zeke's holdout.
- Donald held out in part because they had changed to a 3-4 which seemed like a terrible fit for him.
- The Rams basically paid him to accept playing in that scheme.

It's the opposite with Zeke. The Cowboys give him the carries to be the leading rusher.
- Many teams wouldn't give him as many carries.
You said they give Zeke all those carries like they are doing him a favor
 

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It's too bad Stephen can't run his mouth efficiently. Announcing that Gurley's deal is the starting point for Zeke was asinine. Thinking it is one thing, telling Zeke and his agent (and anyone else who was listening) was foolish.
Don't know why Zeke would accept anything less than that.
 

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This team aint making the playoffs without Zeke...…......anybody that thinks otherwise is an idiot.

No Zeke = No Playoffs

Zeke knows this, his agent knows this, and the Cowboys know this as well..............that is why a deal will get done soon
Anyone who thinks we have to have Zeke to make the playoffs is an idiot.

I really dont think they're idiot's but since you called the ones who do idiots, like myself, figured I call you and other's one. Lol not idiot's but putting way too much into a RB running behind the best, or top 3 at worst, OL. If a team has the highest paid OL in football and the highest paid RB in football, they're doing it wrong in today's NFL.
 

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You said they give Zeke all those carries like they are doing him a favor

He was able to be the NFL rushing champ because of how many carries he received.

He was 17th in yards/carry for 2018. There is a good chance some of the 16 RBs with a higher yards/carry could have passed him for total rushing yards if they received more carries. Most of them didn't because their teams give other RBs some of the carries.

The total yards and rushing champ issue is certainly something his agent repeats several dozens times per meeting when they discuss terms with the Cowboys; therefore, yes the team DID do him a favor in that regard.
 

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There really are a lot of people on this board who not only think Dak is a good QB, they truly think he is a franchise QB.

All I can say is wow!

I think he is a good QB but he is not carrying this team anywhere!
 

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Signing Zeke is a double edged sword that should have been obvious when he was drafted. Sure, maybe he is worth every penny he is asking for but as soon as you give it to him on a 5-6 year deal, you instantly want to look for ways to reduce his workload so as not not use him up too soon. This in turn makes him not worth the money you are paying him and it’s why you don’t draft RBs with a top 10 pick. It would be much better to draft RBs in the 3rd-5th rounds every year and keep the position stocked with young guys you can use up and discard with another one sitting there ready to go. It’s just not smart football to throw top 10 picks at the RB position.
Me thinks you work for the Cowboys Front Office.
 

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He was able to be the NFL rushing champ because of how many carries he received.

He was 17th in yards/carry for 2018. There is a good chance some of the 16 RBs with a higher yards/carry could have passed him for total rushing yards if they received more carries. Most of them didn't because their teams give other RBs some of the carries.

The total yards and rushing champ issue is certainly something his agent repeats several dozens times per meeting when they discuss terms with the Cowboys; therefore, yes the team DID do him a favor in that regard.
So....that was their best chance to win does not factor in?
 

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So....that was their best chance to win does not factor in?

It wasn't their best chance to win. At all.

Not even a little bit.



In fact, outside of Gathers Thompson, andRod Smith, he helped win the least.

Not all his fault his rushing inherently helps you win games at a much lower rate than passing.
 
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