Keep reading we don’t need Zeke

[Irvin88_4life]

Because you're trying to compare different eras. Aikman was bad that first year but you think Dak could have come in and played like he did that first year on that team with the rules they played back then. That team was sick. I don't remember what game it was but my big memory of that season was seeing Crazy Ray just sitting down on the sideline. That team even took the spirit out of him. There was no hope in 1989 and then we got rid of our only star player Herschel Walker. Nobody at that time knew a dynasty was being built. NFL coaches were laughing at us.

Wasn't just his rookie year, Aikman was terrible for a couple years. Keep running and baking excuses but Aikman was terrible. I'm not comparing eras I'm comparing QBs. Someone says Dak isn't better than all these QBs in Cowboys history so I replied with facts. You didn't seem to have an issue with that statement because it was negative towards Dak.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

There's no need to even talk to Zeke now. He either shows up for game 1 or loses game checks. Players don't like to
lose game checks. Zeke is under contract for the next two seasons. People need to just chill. Stephen is just running the
cash register efficiently.

The parrots mindlessly shouting "pay the man" are saying Zeke is bigger than the Cowboys and more important than Amari and Dak and all the others awaiting more money.
What part of 2 years left on a contract do they not understand, ruffians?
When did Zeke rise to the status of The Player With Whom We Cannot Win?
When did Zeke decide that Cabo was preferable to being in camp and getting into condition?
When did fans who drank the drank decide that nothing else matters than to make Zeke the richest RB around?
Can we're win a Super Bowl without Zeke?
Can we win a Super Bowl with him? Las Vegas says yes, but only after a dozen other teams win it.
So we pay the man. And we're watch the Super Bowl between New Orleans and thee Pats. Will you feel better that Zeke is rich and your hearts ate crushed?

You parrots might have your hearts in the right place, but, birdbrains, your brains are at the cleaners.

Blimey!
The things I say!

 

[Irvin88_4life]

We were talking about 1989, not last season.



He wasn't terrible at all -- the whole team was terrible. If Dak had to survive in the conditions Troy had in '89, he'd have been worse. One man can't save the worst team in Dallas C-boys history. When do you think Dak will win a Super Bowl -- anytime soon? Aikman got in the Hall of Fame for a good reason. Hard to believe you don't see that.

Sacks are sacks. You said Dak wouldn't make it through the 89 season because of sacks.....Dak was sacked almost 60 times last year and keep getting back up.

Sure Aikman turned it around but the facts are Aikman was terrible his first few years and I'm sure most of you wanted him gone. Dak has completed 3 years, he still has an entire career to go. Nobody knows how it ends with Dak. My entire point on this is the ones saying Dak is worst then all these cowboys QBs when it's unfair to compare entire careers to 3 years. You must compare how they played the same amount of time.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I don't have a problem at all with Dak last season. I liked him, both then and now, especially since the OL wasn't what it was in the past last season.

My reference to Dak only dealt with what he would have been if he'd had been saddled with what Aikman had to deal with in '89. You're confused.

I'm not confused, I will explain it again. You said Dak wouldn't make it in 89 because of sacks...... Sorry but sacks isn't going to stop Dak that's why I pointed to how many sacks he took last year.

That being said yes Dak would have won more than 1 game in 89. Some of those games were close and Dak would have found a way. Hate it all you want but Dak has outplayed Aikman as a QB his first 3 years. Dak is breaking and setting records

 

[Irvin88_4life]

In Dak's first year as a rookie, Dez was still in his prime, although beginning to wane. I think it was after that that he bombed, if I remember correctly.

In Troy's rookie year of '89, he had next to nothing to work with. Where were you back then? Were you even born yet or perhaps out of the country?

You don't remember correctly. Dez was hurt and missed games Daks rookie year hence the reason Beasley got more catches. Dak never got a prime Dez or Witten. Were you born yet or perhaps out the country and missed those games.

 

[nightrain]

The Cowboys will really need to evolve from their current philosophy to be successful without Zeke. Dak will have to carry much more of the load and they definitely need another Vet RB in camp. They have a defense that can can play complimentary football with the O, but turnovers and sacks (big plays) need to improve.

I don't see how they can pay Zeke, Dak and Coop and still keep their young stars on D. I would offer Zeke $25M guaranteed for the next two seasons and part ways, hopefully with a ring, after that.

 

[Whirlwin]

They gave it to the best player on the field that day.

that's not saying much.

 

[Whirlwin]

You don't remember correctly. Dez was hurt and missed games Daks rookie year hence the reason Beasley got more catches. Dak never got a prime Dez or Witten. Were you born yet or perhaps out the country and missed those games.

Troy Aikman had Michael Irvin in his second season.

 

[JoeKing]

Those who claim we can't win without Zeke are just as ridiculous as those that claim we'll be fine without Zeke. Neither side knows how the future will play out, they are just projecting what they think will happen. We should stop being so committed to how we see the future and try to understand the other point of view could be right. The future often presents us with things we did not predict and would have deemed unlikely until they actually happen.

 

[Whirlwin]

Those who claim we can't win without Zeke are just as ridiculous as those that claim we'll be fine without Zeke. Neither side knows how the future will play out, they are just projecting what they think will happen. We should stop being so committed to how we see the future and try to understand the other point of view could be right. The future often presents us with things we did not predict and would have deemed unlikely until they actually happen.

If I have learned anything in life. Change is inevitable, and Never Say Never

 

[DFWJC]

We don't need Zeke? Who else you gonna load up 450 to 500 touches? You can't treated him like a rented mule...then say you don't need him! Has Jerry Jones been paying attention? You are not New England Jerry! This is Jason Garrett. And he would much rather run Zeke with Jumbo packages into 9 man fronts...than design a play that takes innovation, practice and execution. Zeke and his people are not stupid.

Jerry...YOU have kept this old school coach around....and this is what the old school coach NEEDS! You don't need him? Show me the historical evidence? And please...spare me with what Alfred Morris averaged. Or how many yards Darren McFadden gained. NEITHER is half the player Zeke is. NEITHER wears down a defense. NEITHER allows you to control the game and protect your defense. This is how Garrett was successful...and without this...we will return to the pack.

Jerry...YOU decided this a long time ago...probably without you even realizing you were deciding this. All the other millionaires from the front office, to the coaching staff, to a lot of the players....all have made money on the back of this player. Problem is...Zeke is not playing along anymore.

I don't know what you offered him...but I do know he should be the highest paid RB in the NFL. When I think of the Sam Bradfords and Mike Glennons of the world. And all of the MILLIONS they have made...with a clean uniform. Heck even Jason Garrett. And how calm, relaxed, spry they look...and all I picture is Zeke with a walker looking like Earl Campbell. It's NOT right. And if your GOAL is the Super Bowl...Zeke has to be the primary focus of the offense. Dak is a slightly above average QB. Amari is a very good WR..but is he the best player at his position in the NFL....is Amari even a top 5 WR? But I get it...your head coach tried WR by committee...and it was obvious that the head coach offense could not function without an elite talent. And for a team that needs Zeke to dominate....you gonna try RB by committee?

Jerry has done a good job of providing this team with talent. So I get why he thinks we SHOULD be able to do some things....even without Zeke. But this team sucked without Romo. This team sucked without a true #1 WR. And this team will suck without a TRUE workhorse RB. But this is the PRICE you pay for keeping Garrett around!

How many people out of a few hundred that post have said we don't need Zeke?
3? 4?
Come on.

 

[Whirlwin]

How many people out of a few hundred that post have said we don't need Zeke?
3? 4?
Come on.

We don't need his Ezekiel Elliott to win. We don't need any one player at all to win. What you need to win is solid football players and great coaching.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Troy Aikman had Michael Irvin in his second season.

Yep, but only for like half the season or so. There was some talent on that team, Aikman just needed a few years to develop. Plus the Walker trade, those guys needed to develop.

 

[Whirlwin]

Yep, but only for like half the season or so. There was some talent on that team, Aikman just needed a few years to develop. Plus the Walker trade, those guys needed to develop.

I was actually responding to the other person's post I don't know why it put it under yours. The man said Troy Aikman had no one

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I was actually responding to the other person's post I don't know why it put it under yours. The man said Troy Aikman had no one

Oh I know. I been debating with dummies for awhile. They are upset because I said how terrible Aikman was his first few years compared to how Dak has played really well.

 

[Whirlwin]

Oh I know. I been debating with dummies for awhile. They are upset because I said how terrible Aikman was his first few years compared to how Dak has played really well.

I've been making some ridiculous statements. I just can't stand the Eagles and I'm just torturing people. I'm from the old Cowboys fan forum I have never seen so many other teams fans on this site, slamming Prescott and praising Nick Foles. I was not a Nick Foles fan from day one. It's okay I don't mind saying stupid things sometimes.

 

[Whirlwin]

I believe we have NFL football tonight Falcons and somebody

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

You think Dak is soft? Haha

Are you kidding me? I don't think he's soft. I think he's a darn good QB. What he isn't is elite and those defenses that those Cowboy teams played against would have ruined him. The Giants defenses with LT...the 49ers defenses , The Eagles and even the Deadskins. Why do you think Troy was so fragile in his early years? It was because the hits he took in the first few years with the boys. It's a different game today. You can not compare the 2 eras. Heck I don't even think Romo would have survived it although I think he had a better chance.

 

[birdwells1]

that's not saying much.

28-43 373 yards 3 tds.

You're trying to hard.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Wasn't just his rookie year, Aikman was terrible for a couple years. Keep running and baking excuses but Aikman was terrible. I'm not comparing eras I'm comparing QBs. Someone says Dak isn't better than all these QBs in Cowboys history so I replied with facts. You didn't seem to have an issue with that statement because it was negative towards Dak.

Give me a break. You know I don't know which fans are worse. ... the ones that think Dak is dirt or the ones that put him up with HOF QBs. Probably the same. Dak was awful last year until he got Cooper....Fact. He was mentally damaged after that Atlanta game...fact. And you're going to tell me that Dak could have survived getting bashed into the dirt play after play because he's not soft. lol We had no great OL line. Where was he going to run to. We had no WR because Irvin got hurt during the year and he wasn't the Irvin that emerged later. We had no playmakers but Dak all by himself was going to lead those Cowboys to greatness. lol And Aikman started to turn it around that second year. Went on a mini playoff run until he got hurt. After that the Cowboys lost the last 2 games because of their backup. But I suppose Dak would have survived his rookie year and then storm through the 1990 season unscratched? lol