Kellen Moore, C'mon down!

[Doomsay]

I think this board is the only one who consider Dak "on the bubble"

Garrett and Linehan need to be questioned if we do not go deep in the playoffs this year. New players or not.

"Where would you like us to send your office contents?"

 

[HungryLion]

There was potentially 4 available Thursday nite.

And I’ve often said we need either an elite defense or QB to truly contend for a championship.

And if it turns out we have an elite defense to do it and Dak is the Bus Driver type then a host of QB could have driven it.

I like Dak. He’s a great kid. Manages the game pretty well. Just not a prolific passer. But unless we have a great team around him he’s not carrying us all the way. I believe with a lesser front office and coaching staff we need a more elite QB than Dak or Romo.

I know what you’re saying. I agree with you To a point.

What I reall meant was, it’s very hard to find an “elite QB” that can carry a team to championship play all by himself. There are only two in the league right now. Brady and Rodgers.

Drew Brees, as great as he is, can’t even do it. Romo as great as he was, couldn’t do it. Peyton Manning never made it far in the playoffs until he got a decent defense. Dan Marino never even won a Super Bowl and he was amazing.

So my overall point is, almost every QB ever, needs a team around them in order to play championship caliber football and have a chance to win it all.

The rare QB who doesn’t is hard to find.

Some of the 5 QB’s taken first round this year may end up good, but it’s very very unlikely any of them will even be “that” good.

So if an opportunity for one of those rare QB’s is there. That’s great. Get them.

But in the meantime. I think the teams chance for success is better off focusing resources on building a TEAM.

 

[Diehardblues]

I know what you’re saying. I agree with you To a point.

What I reall meant was, it’s very hard to find an “elite QB” that can carry a team to championship play all by himself. There are only two in the league right now. Brady and Rodgers.

Drew Brees, as great as he is, can’t even do it. Romo as great as he was, couldn’t do it. Peyton Manning never made it far in the playoffs until he got a decent defense. Dan Marino never even won a Super Bowl and he was amazing.

So my overall point is, almost every QB ever, needs a team around them in order to play championship caliber football and have a chance to win it all.

The rare QB who doesn’t is hard to find.

Some of the 5 QB’s taken first round this year may end up good, but it’s very very unlikely any of them will even be “that” good.

So if an opportunity for one of those rare QB’s is there. That’s great. Get them.

But in the meantime. I think the teams chance for success is better off focusing resources on building a TEAM.

That’s fine and under normal circumstances I might agree but these same powers that be couldn’t get it done with Romo, why do you have confidence they will with Dak?

 

[HungryLion]

That’s fine and under normal circumstances I might agree but these same powers that be couldn’t get it done with Romo, why do you have confidence they will with Dak?

Why do you have confidence they will find one of these extremely rare and hard to find QB’s that only come around once every 8-10 years?

 

[Diehardblues]

I know what you’re saying. I agree with you To a point.

What I reall meant was, it’s very hard to find an “elite QB” that can carry a team to championship play all by himself. There are only two in the league right now. Brady and Rodgers.

Drew Brees, as great as he is, can’t even do it. Romo as great as he was, couldn’t do it. Peyton Manning never made it far in the playoffs until he got a decent defense. Dan Marino never even won a Super Bowl and he was amazing.

So my overall point is, almost every QB ever, needs a team around them in order to play championship caliber football and have a chance to win it all.

The rare QB who doesn’t is hard to find.

Some of the 5 QB’s taken first round this year may end up good, but it’s very very unlikely any of them will even be “that” good.

So if an opportunity for one of those rare QB’s is there. That’s great. Get them.

But in the meantime. I think the teams chance for success is better off focusing resources on building a TEAM.

And there’s more than 2 in the league that can overcome to lead their teams to the brink of a championship . Like the ones you mentioned in Peyton and Marino who were enough to take their lesser teams to a championship and or Super Bowl appearance which would be quite an improvement in this era.

This is not intended to be as much a bash on Dak as our front office and coaching staff but it appears unrealistic to expect Dak to take us further than Romo.

 

[HungryLion]

And there’s more than 2 in the league that can overcome to lead their teams to the brink of a championship . Like the ones you mentioned in Peyton and Marino who were enough to take their lesser teams to a championship and or Super Bowl appearance which would be quite an improvement in this era.

More than 2 that can overcome a bad team around them and lead their team to a championship?

Name them.

 

[waving monkey]

That’s because most of us watched the games and the passing production with a QB unable to carry us on his shoulders.

If the winning wave is our only evaluation of Daks effectiveness and passing ability then making the playoffs should be required.

And if Dak is only expected to be a Bus Driver why are we so dug in on him?

Couldn’t there be more QB’s out there who could have handed the ball off and led us to the 26th ranked passing offense and 9-7?

You should consider his rookie season in the evaluation

 

[Diehardblues]

Why do you have confidence they will find one of these extremely rare and hard to find QB’s that only come around once every 8-10 years?

My point is we should continue trying. I don’t understand why we get so dug in on a guy without more success ?

We take these wild risk on other players , why not a QB?

 

[Diehardblues]

You should consider his rookie season in the evaluation

I am and the only reason he’s getting an opportunity. But even then we didn’t advance any further.

And your right. If we return to that winning wave it will cure many ills.

 

[HungryLion]

My point is we should continue trying. I don’t understand why we get so dug in on a guy without more success ?

We take these wild risk on other players , why not a QB?

I’m not against it. But then again, to get one of the top 4 QB’s in this draft, they would have to trade multiple first rounders. And a ton of other picks.

Makes it hard to improve the defense and offensive players around them, doesn’t it?

I’m not saying don’t try. I’m saying you could give up all those picks, and hamstring the rest of the team. And end up with a QB no better than Dak.

 

[Diehardblues]

More than 2 that can overcome a bad team around them and lead their team to a championship?

Name them.

You just named a couple . When Peyton went out Colts were 2-14.

How about Wentz. Took a 7-9 team to overall top seed?

Goff took a 7-9 team to playoffs that hadn’t had a wining season in 7 or 8 years.

Do you need more?

 

[Diehardblues]

I’m not against it. But then again, to get one of the top 4 QB’s in this draft, they would have to trade multiple first rounders. And a ton of other picks.

Makes it hard to improve the defense and offensive players around them, doesn’t it?

I’m not saying don’t try. I’m saying you could give up all those picks, and hamstring the rest of the team. And end up with a QB no better than Dak.

Like I said. Keep trying . I’m not sure how much better we are keeping all of our picks. We shall see.

Look what Eagles gave up last year for Wentz. We all laughed until...

 

[John813]

Sounds a bit like Garrett himself.

But I LOVE making Moore a coach. I hope it works and we make it something we do often. Why can't we make Witten our TE coach? Jerry can outbid ESPN. I would love that sort of coaching environment where players retire and become coaches to the next generation of Cowboys and in turn the next generation of coaches.

ESPN/Fox were trying to get Manning for 10mil a year.
Odds are Witten is probably less per year, but still, it will be a hefty contract.
I don't think Jerry sees any position coach worth that amount.

 

[waving monkey]

I am and the only reason he’s getting an opportunity. But even then we didn’t advance any further.

And your right. If we return to that winning wave it will cure many ills.

the premise I except is the collapse of the left side of the offensive line was too much for the young QB
The perception many had was we had on our hands a phenom then Dak fall to earth and the reaction was over reaction IMO

 

[Diehardblues]

There’s no substitute for a HOF type QB unless you have a Raven/ Bears type defense.

 

[Diehardblues]

the premise I except is the collapse of the left side of the offensive line was too much for the young QB
The perception many had was we had on our hands a phenom then Dak fall to earth and the reaction was over reaction IMO

Rarely do you get an ideal situation. 2016 might be about as good as it gets. Usually each season there are injuries and situations to overcome.

In the end a QB is judged by the success of the team unless they lead the league in passing,

 

[Diehardblues]

If we win one or two more games then Dak is viewed differently overcoming the loss of Zeke and injuries to Smith to elevate us to playoffs despite whatever inefficiencies he has in his passing abilities. Just win!!

Or are we going to be making excuses like we did for the last 10 years with Romo?

 

[HungryLion]

You just named a couple . When Peyton went out Colts were 2-14.

How about Wentz. Took a 7-9 team to overall top seed?

Goff took a 7-9 team to playoffs that hadn’t had a wining season in 7 or 8 years.

Do you need more?

LOL

Wentz carried a bad team? The same team that won a title with Nick foles playing?

Goff lost in the first round. AND it was a good team around him. A good defense. Aaron Donald destroying pockets and Todd Gurley at RB.

You just listed QB’s that HAVE NOT led a bad team to a championship level by themselves.

So, did you even read or understand what I said? Or, you just couldn’t list anymore QB’s and decided to throw two names out there and hope they stick?

If you’re going to circumvent my points, then discussing it any further with you is a waste of time.

 

[HungryLion]

Like I said. Keep trying . I’m not sure how much better we are keeping all of our picks. We shall see.

Look what Eagles gave up last year for Wentz. We all laughed until...

I didn’t laugh when the eagles drafted Wentz. I knew he would be good.

Clearly the eagles overcome giving up the picks to build a great team. I didn’t say it was impossible I said it is tougher.

Having real coaches helps too.

 

[Diehardblues]

LOL

Wentz carried a bad team? The same team that won a title with Nick foles playing?

Goff lost in the first round. AND it was a good team around him. A good defense. Aaron Donald destroying pockets and Todd Gurley at RB.

You just listed QB’s that HAVE NOT led a bad team to a championship level by themselves.

So, did you even read or understand what I said? Or, you just couldn’t list anymore QB’s and decided to throw two names out there and hope they stick?

If you’re going to circumvent my points, then discussing it any further with you is a waste of time.

It probably is a waste of time with a fan with Dak in screen name.

We’ll see how far Dak takes us. I hope your right.

And having real coaches and front office isn’t an option here and why extreme measures are needed to attain elite talent,