Kellen Moore listed as No. 2 quarterback

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If you think about it, the Cowboys have always been a team that's forced to make changes that are later deemed brilliant.

Dave 5-11 Campo .. Never understood the logic .. one 5-11 season, okay maybe .. a second one? time to look elsewhere. a third one? did they expect banging their head against the wall would work the third time?

Wade Phillips 1-7 start to the season .. it took a 1-7 record and an embarrassing loss on national TV for the Cowboys to make this change.

Romo? They had him sit on the bench for years. Even then, they waited too long into the season before they finally turned the team over to him.

Prescott? He's only our franchise quarterback because Romo and Moore were injured last year and even then, the plan well into the season was to still bring back Romo until Prescott kept winning making it hard for them to justify it. If Moore had not been injured, we would have been sitting at 0-8 and even then they would have turned the team back over to Romo when he returned.

Cooper Rush? He had to play almost perfect football just to make the roster and even then, they probably still thought about trying to sneak him on the practice squad.

Our front office and coaching staff get a lot of accolades, but the reality is that beyond the scouts, there's been very little unforced brilliance from the front office and coaching staff. I am not bashing them in general. I'm just saying that maybe they might want to be a little more open minded to changes and new players. We had a great team in 2014 with Romo and another one last year with Prescott, and we still haven't even made it to the NFC Championship game this century.

And then you look at the roster and draft success over the past few years and you realize that cherry picking events from the past 20 years is not that compelling.

Dave Campo was what? 1997?

 

[Idgit]

He's the Nick Hayden of the offense. Congratulations.

I'm not looking for congratulations. He's a subpar backup, and I'd be happy to have him replaced.

 

[Kaiser]

And I don't accept all that 400 yard crap against a very average Wash team a few years ago, which he also lost, btw. He has appeared in three games in his career, all for us, and we lost every one of those games.

I guess you missed the 2015 games that Weeden and Cassell played because they were worse than Moore.

And won/loss record isn't how you judge QBs, especially in disaster years like 2015. Look up Troy Aikman's record in 1989, he didn't win a game either.

 

[Plankton]

 

[Kaiser]

I think you are missing the point of what I was saying. I was not saying that everyone else saw something they didn't. I'm saying that almost all of the "brilliant" moves beyond the scouting department have been forced upon them rather than them actually seeing the potential for something special.

I understand your point but I disagree, especially with the two examples you list of Dak and Romo. Romo was a UDFA playing behind Drew Bledsoe, who had previous success in the NFL. If Romo's success was purely accidental, Dallas wouldn't have signed him as a UDFA, kept him on the roster or turned down the New Orleans trade requests for him. The example is also 11 years old and none of those coaches are still on the team.

Your second point is Dak Prescott, which is the ultimate exception to every rule. No, Dallas didn't predict the season he would have. No one on Earth did. And Dallas did use a draft pick on Prescott when no one else in the NFL did, even with four chances each to do so.

 

[Kaiser]

We know what we have in Moore. We have a guy that no one wants. A guy that has a very weak arm. A guy that will not win you NFL games unless you spot him a lot of points and run the ball.

We know Moore can execute the offense in regular season games. We hope that is the case with Rush but we don't know it for sure. And its a lot easier to make definitive statements on a fan message board than betting your job on it as an NFL coach.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm not looking for congratulations. He's a subpar backup, and I'd be happy to have him replaced.

The congratulations was just as serious as the wonderment in the post I was replying to.

 

[Idgit]

The congratulations was just as serious as the wonderment in the post I was replying to.

Whether we wanted it to happen or not, the fact that Kellen Moore was going to go into the season as the team's QB2 was one of the worst kept roster secrets around. Jerry explicitly said almost as much right before cut downs, and Garrett did the same after Cooper was cut and before he returned.

The wonderment was aimed at that since it was a hotly-debated topic in here on Saturday for whatever reason.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Whether we wanted it to happen or not, the fact that Kellen Moore was going to go into the season as the team's QB2 was one of the worst kept roster secrets around. Jerry explicitly said almost as much right before cut downs, and Garrett did the same after Cooper was cut and before he returned.

The wonderment was aimed at that since it was a hotly-debated topic in here on Saturday for whatever reason.

Whatever reason? The reason is because Noodles is a terrible player.

Objectively do you not feel that the move is a mistake?

For me the opportunity cost is depth at LB. Only thing I can fathom is the new Elliott is there to backup SAM so Wilson can move over in case of further injury. That just sounds like a nightmare.

 

[Idgit]

Whatever reason? The reason is because Noodles is a terrible player.

Objectively do you not feel that the move is a mistake?

For me the opportunity cost is depth at LB. Only thing I can fathom is the new Elliott is there to backup SAM so Wilson can move over in case of further injury. That just sounds like a nightmare.

If it's a given that they want a veteran QB2, which I think is reasonable, then it's a question of which terrible player are you going to have there. its the price you pay to protect and develop Rush, which everybody agrees should be a priority of some sort right now. I don't think they're anticipating having to play Moore for more than the end of one game, though.

Either way, I'm happy to go deep at QB to develop two young players for a season or part of a season at the expense of a 7th LB down the road if that comes up.

 

[Sydla]

I mean really, does anyone on this board think that Cooper Rush has any earthly idea what the NYG defense is lining up in........

Does anyone believe Moore's pop gun arm and seemingly lack of pocket presence would not be completely exposed against the Giants?

 

[TheHerd]

I guess you missed the 2015 games that Weeden and Cassell played because they were worse than Moore.

And won/loss record isn't how you judge QBs, especially in disaster years like 2015. Look up Troy Aikman's record in 1989, he didn't win a game either.

The point being made was Moore won't lose games. He has only lost games in the NFL. Not one win in his career. And did you just compare Moore to Aikman????

 

[Sydla]

Not surprising to me. Not many rookies can step on the field. Hate him as you will, Moore knows the playbook better.

Rush will be #2 next year; he just needs time and reps in practice.

LOL.

What good is knowing the playbook better if the guy can't make half the throws required in the playbook?

Playing Moore means you essentially have to take out all your deeper sideline patterns because Moore can't make those throws, for example.

 

[manster4ever]

I mean really, does anyone on this board think that Cooper Rush has any earthly idea what the NYG defense is lining up in........

Probably not...BUT, Moore can't throw and execute a damn thing because of his noodle arm. Rush has a puncher's chance because he can sling it. I'll take Rush obviously.

 

[Doomsay]

I mean really, does anyone on this board think that Cooper Rush has any earthly idea what the NYG defense is lining up in........

Moore could be wired into the Giants' defensive calls and still not make any downfield throws. He doesn't have an NFL arm, total waste of reps that the red winner could be taking. Stupid coaching decision, nothing more than Linehan's bankie.

 

[Kaiser]

The point being made was Moore won't lose games. He has only lost games in the NFL. Not one win in his career. And did you just compare Moore to Aikman????

The secondary point is no QB was winning games in 2015. Brandon Weeden had years in the system and all the physical skills in the world and he sucked that year. Cassell had been to a Pro Bowl and he sucked that year. Moore at least moved the ball.

If Moore was playing with the 2017 team instead of the 2015 team, do you really think he wouldn't execute a handoff to Ezekiel Elliott? Do you think he can't thrown intermediate routes to Dez or Witten?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If it's a given that they want a veteran QB2, which I think is reasonable, then it's a question of which terrible player are you going to have there. its the price you pay to protect and develop Rush, which everybody agrees should be a priority of some sort right now. I don't think they're anticipating having to play Moore for more than the end of one game, though.

Either way, I'm happy to go deep at QB to develop two young players for a season or part of a season at the expense of a 7th LB down the road if that comes up.

What the team wants is besides the point. Do you think that Moore has a better chance to win games than Rush?

You present a false dilemma. If you cut Moore then you can have the LB and the young developing backup.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The secondary point is no QB was winning games in 2015. Brandon Weeden had years in the system and all the physical skills in the world and he sucked that year. Cassell had been to a Pro Bowl and he sucked that year. Moore at least moved the ball.

If Moore was playing with the 2017 team instead of the 2015 team, do you really think he wouldn't execute a handoff to Ezekiel Elliott? Do you think he can't thrown intermediate routes to Dez or Witten?

Moore racked up a bunch of yards in garbage time and still turned the ball over. RZ picks are always bad. He could not score.

I disagree entirely that he outplayed Weeden. Weeden at least did not turn the ball over while playing much more difficult defenses.

 

[Stash]

Keep trumpeting the fact that they're holding into a lousy player like it's an accomplishment Fisher!

It's amazing that someone so old can still act like a child.

 

[Idgit]

What the team wants is besides the point. Do you think that Moore has a better chance to win games than Rush?

You present a false dilemma. If you cut Moore then you can have the LB and the young developing backup.

He's not on the roster to 'win games.' He's in the roster to help Dak and Rush and the coaches in a backup capacity and to finish a game if the starter gets hurt. We don't know which QB they'd play if they needed a replacement for multiple games with a full week of prep.

I think they'll start Rush when needed only when they believe he's ready. And I don't think we fans are in position to have a knowledgeable debate about where Rush is in that process. All we know is the team apparently don't want to potentially rush him into live action just yet.

I don't care about the extra LB. or any 53rd player, for that matter. I'd prefer we churn those bottom roster positions throughout the year, anyway. I'm not losing sleep over anybody occupying that spot for week one.