Kellen Moore to Saints

beware_d-ware said:
I get that there's only 32 head coaching opportunities, and most of the good ones don't open up. But the NO job is toxic and set up to fail.

From an on-the-field football perspective, you're looking at a teardown. The Saints are $54M over the cap and have 5 wins to show for it. Derek Carr is your quarterback, he's making $40M and is worth maybe a quarter of that.

Head coaches on bad teams usually get 3 seasons to turn it around. Year 1 for Moore is inevitably going to be paying the cap piper and losing a lot of games, so he's starting off on a short leash.

From an organizational perspective, the Saints are a mess. They retained Mickey Loomis, who's never met a trade up he wouldn't take or a salary cap can he wouldn't kick. Saints need to tear down, but Loomsi might not even let them tear down. KM doesn't get final say. And the Saints owner just jumped in and reportedly fired Dennis Allen over Loomis' wishes. A owner meddling with their FO and making football decisions... where have we seen that before. That kind of approach isn't conducive to building a winner.

I'll be shocked if KM does build a winner there. I think he goes 6-11 a couple times and then returns to offensive coordinator work.
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Toxic? Ownership will let the coach and executives do whatever they want--having a good owner is a key piece of why both Payton and Moore decided to coach in NO.

While many veterans are long in the tooth, the salary cap issues will be resolved by 2026 with Ram, Latt, Winston and Michael Thomas all coming off the books--they account for about $50 million in dead money themselves.

As for on the field performance, the Saints were rolling last year but had an insurmountable amount of injuries to the offensive line and Carr. They nearly beat Philadelphia without their starting center and Carter wrecking the game.

NO will be in contention much sooner than most prognosticators expect because they don't possess the knowledge to assess what actually happened last season.
 
75boyz said:
Hard to disagree on any of your points. And I like Kellen too.
"IF" he were to hit on a drafted QB, then maybe there could be something there.
But with all their cap money problems and the fact that I'm unsure of the type of staff he could hire I am somewhat skeptical right now.
And again, I like the guy.
Lotta things working against him though.
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I like him too and hope he gets paid a ton but I’m not too optimistic he’s going to do well in New Orleans. I’m hoping the best for him though
 
Praxit said:
....bwahahhaha..... same here. Grass isnt always greener on otherside.

With super bowl win, Im surprised he took it. He could have stayed with Philly and go for #2.
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Why give that ****** bag that almost got fired by the eagles last year another one? Siriani is a joke
 
He's mid, my dog could have coached that Eagles offense. I would have been just as annoyed if we hired him instead of Schotty.
 
I'm surprised he would take the last available job in the league on an absolute mess of a team with an aging roster and bad cap situation. Why not just go back to Philly , try for a repeat, and then get your first choice next year?
 
Maximus said:
Toxic? Ownership will let the coach and executives do whatever they want--having a good owner is a key piece of why both Payton and Moore decided to coach in NO.

While many veterans are long in the tooth, the salary cap issues will be resolved by 2026 with Ram, Latt, Winston and Michael Thomas all coming off the books--they account for about $50 million in dead money themselves.

As for on the field performance, the Saints were rolling last year but had an insurmountable amount of injuries to the offensive line and Carr. They nearly beat Philadelphia without their starting center and Carter wrecking the game.

NO will be in contention much sooner than most prognosticators expect because they don't possess the knowledge to assess what actually happened last season.
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To put it bluntly, the owner that Payton came to coach for is dead. His wife kept Loomis around, who has airballed four or five straight drafts and is also responsible for the cap disaster that your team finds itself in.

I see you're a new user with one post... If you're scrounging the Cowboys forum looking for reviews on KM, know that I like the dude. I'm from Boise, ID and have been watching him ever since his run with the Broncos. I think he's schematically brilliant and is willing to adjust his scheme to the talent he has on hand. I also think that your team is set up to lose for the next 1-2 seasons, and for longer if your GM continues to do more of what has failed.

And hey, it's not personal. I personally that my team is set up to lose for another 3 years. The Cowboys have a terrible HC with a 3 year deal, a declining and drastically overpaid QB with a guaranteed 3-year deal, and have a stinker draft class or two that are really starting to show right now. The Eagles and Commanders will give us four tough games a year for a long time. We're definitely in a low spot right now.
 
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acr731 said:
They will be finding out quite fast that he isn't all that. They will end up regretting this hire. Just my opinion....
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Out of curiosity, I looked at their online forum to get the "inside feel" if you will.

Seems the fans think he can be their savior.

I happen to agree with your assessment. At this point in time in Moores career, I really haven't seen anything that leads me to believe he can be the one leader of a team, but I have been known to be wrong.
 
atlantacowboy said:
I'm surprised he would take the last available job in the league on an absolute mess of a team with an aging roster and bad cap situation. Why not just go back to Philly , try for a repeat, and then get your first choice next year?
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That's what surprised me. If he asked Lurie for 1 year of HC type money to run it back for another season as Philly's OC, Lurie probably would've given it to him. Then KM could call another 300 Saquon handoffs, win a bunch of games, and try again.
 
805BoysInBlue said:
Why give that ****** bag that almost got fired by the eagles last year another one? Siriani is a joke
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You know, I thought Siriani was a joke as well.

That said, I was scratching my head on exactly why Laurie and Roseman were keeping him on after last years flop and one and done and flameout in the first round playoffs.

The funny thing is it's that same joke that was their head coach that won this years superbowl...

I can only guess it's something those two men saw in Siriani that the fans couldn't see behind the public display that head coach put on.
 
big dog cowboy said:
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Becoming offensive coordinator for Philly really worked out well for him. When he left here, it looked like his head coaching trajectory got stunted. The Chargers job didn't exactly make him any better of a candidate. But winning the Super Bowl with the Eagles got him back on the hot coordinator list.
 
beware_d-ware said:
I get that there's only 32 head coaching opportunities, and most of the good ones don't open up, so most new HCs have to walk into a bad situation. But NO is definitely a bad situation. That job is toxic and set up to fail.

From an on-the-field football perspective, you're looking at a teardown. The Saints are $54M over the cap and have 5 wins to show for it. Derek Carr is your quarterback, he's making $40M and is worth maybe a quarter of that.

Head coaches on bad teams usually get 3 seasons to turn it around. Year 1 for Moore is inevitably going to be paying the cap piper and losing a lot of games, so he's starting off on a short leash.

From an organizational perspective, the Saints are a mess. They retained Mickey Loomis, who's never met a trade up he wouldn't take or a salary cap he wouldn't can-kick. Saints need to tear down, but Loomsi might not even let them tear down. KM doesn't get final say. And the Saints owner just jumped in and reportedly fired Dennis Allen over Loomis' wishes. A owner meddling with their FO and making football decisions... where have we seen that before. It isn't conducive to building a winner.

I'll be shocked if KM does build a winner in New Orleans. I think he goes 6-11 for a couple seasons, gets fired on Black Monday '26 or '27, and then returns to offensive coordinator work.
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He’s on the NFL Head Coach carousel. At age 35. He’s taking his shot. Contract fully guaranteed. Worst case scenario he fails miserably. Boise State pays their head football coach over $1 million per year. He’ll be employed at the college level somewhere if not the NFL for decades. The Saints job is arguably the biggest disaster in the League. I’m still not shedding any tears for him.
 
Best of luck to him. The Saints looked really good at the beginning of the year.... maybe they can build on that.
 
Praxit said:
....bwahahhaha..... same here. Grass isnt always greener on otherside.

With super bowl win, Im surprised he took it. He could have stayed with Philly and go for #2.
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Why won’t he , this is perfect year for him to get the offer and take it. NFL - Not For Long and HC opportunities dont come everyday. Hopefully his experience with Cowboys , Chargers and Eggles will make him to put up a good offense ( if they find a good QB ) but on D he will be clueless.
 
Gameover said:
No. 1 is a little bit better than OK
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Well like everyone else he got us nowhere so I'd never give them anything better than "ok". Doesnt matter what they did someplace else. He's now #1, with us he was just ok.
 
Helped Hurts get back on track. People crapped on him, but simple fact is, Moore did good things with Philly and is now immortalized. Another former Cowboy that is a hero of another city.
 
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