Kellen Moore working with the first-team offense

[erod]

Deshawn Watson QB Clemson and i would be more than ok with that

Nah, that guy has NFL bust written all over him. Another RG3 or Johnny Manziel.

 

[DallasEast]

My post is getting WAY away from the OP (sorry Floaty ) but rules are rules...

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/2013 - Rule Book.pdf

ROUGHING THE PASSER

Article 9: Roughing the Passer. Because the act of passing often puts the quarterback (or any other player attempting a pass) in a position where he is particularly vulnerable to injury, special rules against roughing the passer apply. The Referee has principal responsibility for enforcing these rules. Any physical acts against passers during or just after a pass which, in the Referee’s judgment, are unwarranted by the circumstances of the play will be called as fouls. The Referee will be guided by the following principles:

• (a) Roughing will be called if, in the Referee’s judgment, a pass rusher clearly should have known that the ball had already left the passer’s hand before contact was made; pass rushers are responsible for being aware of the position of the ball in passing situations; the Referee will use the release of the ball from the passer’s hand as his guideline that the passer is now fully protected; once a pass has been released by a passer, a rushing defender may make direct contact with the passer only up through the rusher’s first step after such release (prior to second step hitting the ground); thereafter the rusher must be making an attempt to avoid contact and must not continue to ―drive through‖ or otherwise forcibly contact the passer; incidental or inadvertent contact by a player who is easing up or being blocked into the passer will not be considered significant.

• (b) A rushing defender is prohibited from committing such intimidating and punishing acts as ―stuffing‖ a passer into the ground or unnecessarily wrestling or driving him down after the passer has thrown the ball, even if the rusher makes his initial contact with the passer within the one-step limitation provided for in (a) above. When tackling a passer who is in a defenseless posture (e.g., during or just after throwing a pass), a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him down and land on top of him with all or most of the defender’s weight. Instead, the defensive player must strive to wrap up the passer with the defensive player’s arms.

• (c) In covering the passer position, Referees will be particularly alert to fouls in which defenders impermissibly use the helmet and/or facemask to hit the passer, or use hands, arms, or other parts of the body to hit the passer forcibly in the head or neck area (see also the other unnecessary roughness rules covering these subjects). A defensive player must not use his helmet against a passer who is in a defenseless posture—for example, (1) forcibly hitting the passer’s head or neck area with the helmet or facemask, even if the initial contact of the defender’s helmet or facemask is lower than the passer’s neck, and regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the passer by encircling or grasping him; or (2) lowering the head and making forcible contact with the top/crown or forehead/―hairline‖ parts of the helmet against any part of the passer’s body. This rule does not prohibit incidental contact by the mask or non-crown parts of the helmet in the course of a conventional tackle on a passer.

• (d) A defensive player is prohibited from clubbing the arm of a passer during a pass or just after a pass has been thrown; however, a defensive player may grasp, pull, or otherwise make normal contact with a passer’s arm in attempting to tackle him;

• (e) A rushing defender is prohibited from forcibly hitting in the knee area or below a passer who has one or both feet on the ground, even if the initial contact is above the knee. It is not a foul if the defender is blocked (or fouled) into the passer and has no opportunity to avoid him;

Note 1: A defender cannot initiate a roll or lunge and forcibly hit the passer in the knee area or below, even if he is being contacted by another player.

Note 2: It is not a foul if the defender swipes, wraps, or grabs a passer in the knee area or below in an attempt to tackle him.

• (f) A passer who is standing still or fading backward after the ball has left his hand is obviously out of the play and must not be unnecessarily contacted by an opponent through the end of the down or until the passer becomes a blocker, or a runner, or, in the event of a change of possession during the down, until he assumes a distinctly defensive position. However, at any time after the change of possession, it is a foul if (i) an opponent forcibly hits the quarterback’s head or neck area with his helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, or (ii) if an opponent lowers his head and makes forcible contact with the top/crown or forehead/‖hairline‖ parts of his helmet against any part of the quarterback’s body. This provision (ii) does not prohibit incidental contact by the mask or the helmet in the course of a conventional block.

• (g) When the passer goes outside the pocket area and either continues moving with the ball (without attempting to advance the ball as a runner) or throws while on the run, he loses the protection of the one-step rule provided for in (a) above, and the protection against a low hit provided for in (e) above, but he remains covered by all the other special protections afforded to a passer in the pocket (b, c, d, f, and g), as well as the regular unnecessary roughness rules applicable to all player positions. If the passer stops behind the line and clearly establishes a passing posture, he will then be covered by all of the special protections for passers.

• (h) The Referee must blow the play dead as soon as the passer is clearly in the grasp and control of any tackler behind the line, and the passer’s safety is in jeopardy; Penalty: For Roughing the Passer: Loss of 15 yards and an automatic first down; disqualification if flagrant.

Note 1: When in doubt about a roughness call or potentially dangerous tactic against the quarterback, the Referee should always call roughing the passer.

Note 2: See 8-6-2 for personal fouls prior to completion or interception.

 

[Redball Express]

guy was in a Ps for 2 years. nobody wanted him when its easy as signing a free agent. you may not like it but he is garbage, and that's being generous. All off season to upgrade and this front office did nada, its pathetic.

There is still all summer.

Dak needs reps over our #2.

He was a draft pick and is an investment.

I want to see him.

 

[BrassCowboy]

Ok lol but that was one instance, and other qb's get hit late too.
A foul is a foul, but if the ref doesnt call it all they can do is complain to the league office.

One reason for that is the 3 step rule?, which allows defenders to hit the qb if they do it quick enough after he throws.
They shouldnt be allowed to hit after he throws.

I believe they baby the qbs enough. I saw your post about the fact that qbs play a position that puts them in a more susceptible position to be hurt, but let's not alter the outcome of the game by making Qbs untouchable.
There are alot of rules, not just involving the QB, that needs to be relaxed. These guys get paid real money to play this game. A player cannot alter his path fast enough to alleviate the cards of injury to a qb without seriously effecting the outcome of the game or the enjoyment or enjoyment thereof.
Bo more stringent rules on hits, they actually need relaxed more

 

[Blast From The Past]

As soon as the off season rolled around what was Jerry Jones saying where his two top goals for this offseason? The biggest weaknesses in his mind were the backup QB and pass rush. And now that the off season has come and gone what did he do to fill those glaring holes?

Same backup QB and he drafted a DE with the 4th pick? Its mind boggling. And we had the 4th pick in EVERY round and he completely whiffed.

I'm a little baffled myself on why things are the way that they are right now with the drafting aspect that you metioned. But I will support Moore in his role till he shows otherwise not deserving of that support.

 

[DFWJC]

Moore is still on the team?

 

[DandyDon52]

LMAO!

Do you believe the defender hit Romo "quickly enough" in the video?

no, but it is a judgement call, that is why they need a rule change.
Apparently, in another thread, the stats show romo does not get the roughing call as much as other qb's
but it is hard to imagine that "all" officials are against tony.

This is something jerry needs to talk about publicly.

 

[DandyDon52]

I believe they baby the qbs enough. I saw your post about the fact that qbs play a position that puts them in a more susceptible position to be hurt, but let's not alter the outcome of the game by making Qbs untouchable.
There are alot of rules, not just involving the QB, that needs to be relaxed. These guys get paid real money to play this game. A player cannot alter his path fast enough to alleviate the cards of injury to a qb without seriously effecting the outcome of the game or the enjoyment or enjoyment thereof.
Bo more stringent rules on hits, they actually need relaxed more

I have to disagree, they may not change their path, but they can pull up and not hit qb, and just grab him.
Many intentionally slam into them, even though they could stop or change course, or pull up, defense's are told to hit the qb after release.

Just being paid alot doesnt mean they should be a crash test dummy.

And when teams lose the starting qb, the game suffers way more, and it becomes boring.

 

[JoeKing]

I think fat boy will miss some time on the field this season and Moore will fill in just fine.

 

[kazzd58]

Nah, that guy has NFL bust written all over him. Another RG3 or Johnny Manziel.

i hope all of nil think that then cause i disagree 10 fold with that statement... RG3 johnny Manziel lol he's better than both and more accurate but ok

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

I think fat boy will miss some time on the field this season and Moore will fill in just fine.

Fine throwing 10 yds down the field. Pressure in his face doing it with a pass rush, doubt it.

 

[JoeKing]

Fine throwing 10 yds down the field. Pressure in his face doing it with a pass rush, doubt it.

That's the KM of last year. He's made improvements to his game since then. He has a game to play in a few days, you'll see.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

That's the KM of last year. He's made improvements to his game since then. He has a game to play in a few days, you'll see.

He hasn't improved his arm strength since last year. And of what I'll see, are 10 yd throws. That's it.

 

[JoeKing]

He hasn't improved his arm strength since last year. And of what I'll see, are 10 yd throws. That's it.

We'll see in a few days.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I'm a little baffled myself on why things are the way that they are right now with the drafting aspect that you metioned. But I will support Moore in his role till he shows otherwise not deserving of that support.

The problem I have with Moore is that he was here last year. And when Jones said the top priority was backup QB, that meant that Moore was part of the problem at that point. So how confident can they be in him?

 

[erod]

i hope all of nil think that then cause i disagree 10 fold with that statement... RG3 johnny Manziel lol he's better than both and more accurate but ok

He ain't the sharpest tool in the shed. That's the problem.

The NFL game is incredibly cerebral at the QB position. Doesn't mean you have to be a rocket scientist, but you have to have an uncanny knack for understanding defenses and reading disguises, and have a tremendously quick mind to adjust on the fly to the game when it's moving in warp speed. YOU HAVE TO STAY IN THE POCKET until everything breaks down. Then, even those rare few that have the mind for it...very few of them have the nerve to stand in there and take the hits.

College is a stupid game for stupid players compared to the NFL. Defenses are incredibly simple, and the talent level is a big drop. Throws are virtually predetermined, so QBs aren't asked to think. So if you have Mike Evans, and you're going up against some nobody corner that will never see an NFL field, you just throw it up for him. Easy peasy. Do what you're told. If your first read isn't open, you just take off because you're a better athlete than most everyone. Not so in the NFL.

The "run around" guys don't make it in the NFL. They get hurt quickly, and then lose their nerve, a la RG3 and Kaepernick. They never had the football mind to begin with. Russell Wilson is the exception; he knows how to move effectively, but keeps his eyes downfield (having a great defense helps). The other is Cam Newton, who benefits from being bigger than most anyone tackling him, and he reads the game well enough with his incredible body type.

Aaron Rodgers is the perfect mix of athleticism and smarts. Jameis Winston will likely be successful because he was a throw-first quarterback in college and played from the pocket, so as long as he can keep his eyes downfield and take the hits. He has a terrific football mind, so as long as he's not afraid to get hit, he'll be pretty good to great. Nick Foles should be, but he's lost his taste for the hits, and he's looking like Marc Bulger or Jim Everett...guys who lost their nerve and turn in to checkdown Charlie. Bridgewater is promising, as is Bortles. They can run, but they prefer to throw. Romo is gutty as they come, which is why he's been successful. He moves well in the pocket, but it always looking to go downfield.

Watson has an arm, but he can't run fast enough in the NFL. He'll get killed like RG3 did. Unless there's some great football mind in there, I see him being just another Ponder, Geno, Manuel, Taylor, Manziel, etc.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Watson has an arm, but he can't run fast enough in the NFL. He'll get killed like RG3 did. Unless there's some great football mind in there, I see him being just another Ponder, Geno, Manuel, Taylor, Manziel, etc.

You think Taylor will regress?

 

[erod]

You think Taylor will regress?

That's just what he is. Nothing more, nothing less.

The best ever at that style was Michael Vick. He just torched teams in the NFL....until he had to play Philly or Tampa in the playoffs. Then, he'd run for 40 yards, throw for 70, and they'd get drilled by three touchdowns. And he was perhaps the fastest player in the NFL with the biggest arm.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

We'll see in a few days.

We'll see he hasn't improved his arm strength? Don't need a few days for that.

 

[JoeKing]

We'll see he hasn't improved his arm strength? Don't need a few days for that.

Always knew you needed to complain about it until he proves otherwise. I guess that makes you feel better.