Kenny gets Owned

[CowboyMcCoy]

I've not seen a Safety better. Since you live in Austin, went to UT and watch every UT game, I'm guessing that you haven't been watching a lot of other Safeties around the country?

These guys do this for a living. You and I have a passing interest. Lets not kid ourselves into some kind of thought process where we suggest we know more then they do about all of these players.

I have my own opinions and that's fine. They are my opinions but I'm not going to suggest that if virtually every scout is saying player A is the best at his position, good ole ABQ knows more. That aint gonna happen. I have my opinion and sometimes they don't match but that doesn't change the facts. Vaccaro is the top rated safety in this class and just because your system doesn't evaluate him as such doesn't mean he isn't the highest rated Safety in this class.

Speak for yourself. You actually have no idea in terms of my background and evaluating talent. And there is a reason why every year there are several busts around the league. The so-called experts get caught up in the hype, mis-evaluate, think emotionally and some are just flat out not very good at talent evaluation. See Brian Broaddus, for instance.

Furthermore, you ought to know that being the highest rated doesn't make you the highest playing. You have to bring it to the field. Time and time again, we see all the hype of one player get blown through the roof only to flop and fizzle out.

I'm not sitting here boasting that I'm some sort of expert, internet, NFL scout, because I'm not. But I do think higher of my own opinion than even some so-called experts. That may sound arrogant, but that's not my intent. We form our opinions for a reason. Most of the time, it's because we believe we are more correct than those opposing our opinion, regardless of expert/novice status.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Speak for yourself. You actually have no idea in terms of my background and evaluating talent. And there is a reason why every year there are several busts around the league. The so-called experts get caught up in the hype, mis-evaluate, think emotionally and some are just flat out not very good at talent evaluation. See Brian Broaddus, for instance.

Furthermore, you ought to know that being the highest rated doesn't make you the highest playing. You have to bring it to the field. Time and time again, we see all the hype of one player get blown through the roof only to flop and fizzle out.

I'm not sitting here boasting that I'm some sort of expert, internet, NFL scout, because I'm not. But I do think higher of my own opinion than even some so-called experts. That may sound arrogant, but that's not my intent. We form our opinions for a reason. Most of the time, it's because we believe we are more correct than those opposing our opinion, regardless of expert/novice status.

I am speaking for myself. However, I'm sure there are plenty of people here who are willing to give there own opinions as well.

I tried to be cool with you. You don't want to hear it. That's fine but don't expect me to go along with your line of thought. That's just not in your future.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I am speaking for myself. However, I'm sure there are plenty of people here who are willing to give there own opinions as well.

I tried to be cool with you. You don't want to hear it. That's fine but don't expect me to go along with your line of thought. That's just not in your future.

I guess, somehow, you're trying to say I was uncool with you? I never said you weren't cool with me. Does this mean you'll be uncool to me in the future? And if you haven't noticed, there have been quite a few times when I don't have the most popular opinion.

 

[joseephuss]

The guy isn't earl thomas but it isn't really fair to expect him to be as good as a proven top 3 safety in the NFL. He will be a pretty good safety in the NFL and I would love to have him provided cooper/warmack/richardson are gone.

Earl Thomas was drafted 14th overall. If Vaccaro is going around that same spot, it is unavoidable to expect him to be similar to Thomas.

Vaccaro also played two years with Muschamp as the defensive coordinator, so it isn't all about Diaz's schemes.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I guess, somehow, you're trying to say I was uncool with you? I never said you weren't cool with me. Does this mean you'll be uncool to me in the future? And if you haven't noticed, there have been quite a few times when I don't have the most popular opinion.

What I am trying to say to you is that when it's all said and done, regardless of your opinion or mine, Vaccaro is the top rated safety, by almost everybody, in this Class. That's just a fact. It may not agree with what you think but it is a true statement. Doesn't mean the Cowboys will draft him or that they even like him but it's still a fact.

Would it surprise you to know that Vaccaro is not the guy I believe might end up being the best Safety in this Class?

The guy I think might end up being the best Safety in this Class isn't even a Safety. He's a CB. I think the guy who is going to end up being the best Safety will be Jamar Taylor. But guess what, it still doesn't change the fact that the guys who do this for a living have ranked Vaccaro as the top rated Safety. No matter how many times I say, "No he isn't", it wont change that simple fact.

That's what it comes down to.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Earl Thomas was drafted 14th overall. If Vaccaro is going around that same spot, it is unavoidable to expect him to be similar to Thomas.

Vaccaro also played two years with Muschamp as the defensive coordinator, so it isn't all about Diaz's schemes.

That's true. I agree with your point about Muschamp. However, if you watch him under Muschamp, I think you see much more of a true Safety. I think that this is what many scouts are looking at and that's why his value is increased so much. I think they see that he can play a traditional Safety and that he can also cover and play more of an in the box defender as well.

JMO thou.

 

[joseephuss]

What I am trying to say to you is that when it's all said and done, regardless of your opinion or mine, Vaccaro is the top rated safety, by almost everybody, in this Class. That's just a fact. It may not agree with what you think but it is a true statement. Doesn't mean the Cowboys will draft him or that they even like him but it's still a fact.

Would it surprise you to know that Vaccaro is not the guy I believe might end up being the best Safety in this Class?

The guy I think might end up being the best Safety in this Class isn't even a Safety. He's a CB. I think the guy who is going to end up being the best Safety will be Jamar Taylor. But guess what, it still doesn't change the fact that the guys who do this for a living have ranked Vaccaro as the top rated Safety. No matter how many times I say, "No he isn't", it wont change that simple fact.

That's what it comes down to.

Bobby Carpenter was a highly rated linebacker at one point, too. I disagreed with the experts back then and I do with their opinions on Vaccaro as well.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Bobby Carpenter was a highly rated linebacker at one point, too. I disagreed with the experts back then and I do with their opinions on Vaccaro as well.

Fair enough but I never like him for us and I never thought he would be a good player for us because he didn't play physically. In addition, he wasn't considered the best LB in the class of 2006. Heck, he wasn't even considered the best LB on his own College team so I'm kinda not seeing the correlation here. That's OK, I often don't see those kinds of things but here's what I would say, the situations are not the same. You didn't like Carpenter? Guess what, there are many people on that bandwagon. You don't like Vaccaro, again, I'm sure that's a big club but what exactly does that have to do with the fact that he is rated as the top Safety in the Class?

I don't understand where the disconnect is.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

What I am trying to say to you is that when it's all said and done, regardless of your opinion or mine, Vaccaro is the top rated safety, by almost everybody, in this Class. That's just a fact. It may not agree with what you think but it is a true statement. Doesn't mean the Cowboys will draft him or that they even like him but it's still a fact.

Would it surprise you to know that Vaccaro is not the guy I believe might end up being the best Safety in this Class?

The guy I think might end up being the best Safety in this Class isn't even a Safety. He's a CB. I think the guy who is going to end up being the best Safety will be Jamar Taylor. But guess what, it still doesn't change the fact that the guys who do this for a living have ranked Vaccaro as the top rated Safety. No matter how many times I say, "No he isn't", it wont change that simple fact.

That's what it comes down to.

I'm just confused as to what it is this means, "highest ranking safety". Should Dallas pull the trigger because some other talent evaluator ranked him highly, or should they form their own opinion?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I like Elam but bashing Vaccaro to try and pimp your guy is asinine.

I watched that game and outside of a pass in the first drive his coverage was excellent. He got turned around on an inside move on the poor play.

The Texas dline was destroyed that game. They were blitzing, stunting and doing everything they could trying to generate push and failed. Blaming him for the reverse when the weakside DT and DE over-pursued is fun I guess. Vaccaro stayed home on the weakside and was the only reason why the tech WR didnt find the sideline all the way for a score.

It's obvious what the Tech game plan was. They threw quick hitters in response to the UT blitzing. When Vaccaro is asked to blitz and they run a route right at him and throw into his zone that is just how offenses beat the blitz.

If you want to hammer Vaccaro find the games where he bites hard on PA fakes for big gains and misses tackles in space.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I'm just confused as to what it is this means, "highest ranking safety". Should Dallas pull the trigger because some other talent evaluator ranked him highly, or should they form their own opinion?

Well, I'm pretty sure I've already stated my opinion on this. If the Cowboys don't like Vaccaro then they should not draft him. However, this is not about what the Cowboys should do. This is about where he is ranked among Safeties in this Class.

The Cowboys should not draft any player they don't like and that includes Vaccaro and Elam.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Well, I'm pretty sure I've already stated my opinion on this. If the Cowboys don't like Vaccaro then they should not draft him. However, this is not about what the Cowboys should do. This is about where he is ranked among Safeties in this Class.

The Cowboys should not draft any player they don't like and that includes Vaccaro and Elam.

But he's ranked that way because of opinions, no?

 

[diehard2294]

Vaccaro didn't have his best game, big deal though. A lot of players have bad days, that being said his lack of play making ,makes me leary at #18

 

[Aven8]

What I took out of that video is why are we talking about Vaquero, and not Doege?

Not in the 1st, but he has an arm and is accurate.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

What I took out of that video is why are we talking about Vaquero, and not Doege?

Not in the 1st, but he has an arm and is accurate.

ALLEN — Texas Tech’s Seth Doege needs just one team to give him an opportunity in April’s NFL Draft. But one team selecting him would have a little more meaning than the others.

Doege, from Wolfforth, Texas, grew up a Cowboys fan.

And after spending the past week in Allen, preparing and playing for the Texas vs. the Nation game, Doege said the Cowboys have been in contact.

“I’ve talked to plenty of teams, the Falcons, the Cowboys, Jaguars, Saints, there’s been some teams — I can’t name them all off the top of my head,” Doege said. “I have a list, I keep up with it, hopefully we’ll keep working hard, somebody will want me.”

And if that somebody is the Cowboys?

“That would be a surreal dream,” Doege said. “As a Texas kid, you grew up wearing Troy Aikman’s jersey, you have a bunch of baby pictures in Cowboys uniform. That would be awesome, but, like I said, I’m just working hard for one team to like me.”

Doege threw for 4,000 yards in back-to-back seasons for the Red Raiders, but remains a fringe NFL prospect. He’s likely to be selected in the later rounds, if at all. Doege said he’s had no indication from the scouts he’s talked to about if and/or where he’ll be selected.

“I haven’t asked,” Doege said. “Whether it’s good or bad, it’s not going to change my approach to training.”

http://collegesportsblog.***BANNED-...have-talked-with-texas-techs-seth-doege.html/

 

[Muhast]

ALLEN — Texas Tech’s Seth Doege needs just one team to give him an opportunity in April’s NFL Draft. But one team selecting him would have a little more meaning than the others.

Doege, from Wolfforth, Texas, grew up a Cowboys fan.

And after spending the past week in Allen, preparing and playing for the Texas vs. the Nation game, Doege said the Cowboys have been in contact.

“I’ve talked to plenty of teams, the Falcons, the Cowboys, Jaguars, Saints, there’s been some teams — I can’t name them all off the top of my head,” Doege said. “I have a list, I keep up with it, hopefully we’ll keep working hard, somebody will want me.”

And if that somebody is the Cowboys?

“That would be a surreal dream,” Doege said. “As a Texas kid, you grew up wearing Troy Aikman’s jersey, you have a bunch of baby pictures in Cowboys uniform. That would be awesome, but, like I said, I’m just working hard for one team to like me.”

Doege threw for 4,000 yards in back-to-back seasons for the Red Raiders, but remains a fringe NFL prospect. He’s likely to be selected in the later rounds, if at all. Doege said he’s had no indication from the scouts he’s talked to about if and/or where he’ll be selected.

“I haven’t asked,” Doege said. “Whether it’s good or bad, it’s not going to change my approach to training.”

http://collegesportsblog.***BANNED-...have-talked-with-texas-techs-seth-doege.html/

It's off-topic for the thread but your post reminded me, today Tyler Wilson seriously hinted he'd like to play for Dallas on First Take.

 

[SportsGuru80]

Wow I don't know ANY player who hasn't had a bad day... Come on now.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

It's off-topic for the thread but your post reminded me, today Tyler Wilson seriously hinted he'd like to play for Dallas on First Take.

Nah, anything football is on-topic these days. I would actually like him as a developmental guy. Chances are we won't get him that late in the draft though and we have much bigger needs than QB.

 

[Muhast]

Nah, anything football is on-topic these days. I would actually like him as a developmental guy. Chances are we won't get him that late in the draft though and we have much bigger needs than QB.

Skip was in total Man-crush mode on him, and talked about how he had the Arkansas connection, that he would have been a first rounder had he come out the previous year etc. (which he would have went behind luck/RG3 but before Tannehil/Weeden).

But he will still prob go in the 2-3 round. I wouldn't be up in arms if we took him in the 3rd, but it'd have to be the perfect scenario where we got exactly what we were hoping for in the first two rounds and he was the BPA.

 

[ThrowuptheXDez88]

CowboyMcCoy, I know many scouts are wrong when it comes to players, but let me know why pretty much 90 to 95% of the scouts & writers see Kenny Vaccaro as the #1 safety in the draft & giving him a 1st round grade. What do you think they see that you don't & what are their reasons for having 2nd-3rd round grades on Matt Elam? Many people obviously believe Vaccaro is a better player than these other guys & I am sure they have gone over every game each safety has played. There are obviously many things they love about Vaccaro, but you choose to bring us a couple of games where he struggled, but let me tell you that "Manny Diaz defense" was a train wreck this past year with the d-line & LB play + Byndom&Diggs-Phillips played very poor, so I could see how Kenny may have had a bad game or 2.