Kenny gets Owned

[rkell87]

Earl Thomas was drafted 14th overall. If Vaccaro is going around that same spot, it is unavoidable to expect him to be similar to Thomas.

Vaccaro also played two years with Muschamp as the defensive coordinator, so it isn't all about Diaz's schemes.

barron went 7th does that mean he should be twice as good as thomas?

vaccaro started 0 games under muschamp in '09 and was mostly a special teamer and started 6 in '10 under muschamp and only two at safety.

a whopping 2 games under his belt with a good D coordinator at the position he will play in the NFL.

it is asinine to expect him to be similar to thomas because of the draft spot as they are different types of players entirely, vaccaro is plenty athletic but thomas has CB make up speed and is rangier while vaccaro lacks those skills to an extent he makes his reads quick and closes down hill a little better, and the guy doesn't quit and plays side line to side line. You watched the games you should know that there were many times he made the play coming across the field when he had no business making the play, often times saving a big(ger) gain.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

CowboyMcCoy, I know many scouts are wrong when it comes to players, but let me know why pretty much 90 to 95% of the scouts & writers see Kenny Vaccaro as the #1 safety in the draft & giving him a 1st round grade. What do you think they see that you don't & what are their reasons for having 2nd-3rd round grades on Matt Elam? Many people obviously believe Vaccaro is a better player than these other guys & I am sure they have gone over every game each safety has played. There are obviously many things they love about Vaccaro, but you choose to bring us a couple of games where he struggled, but let me tell you that "Manny Diaz defense" was a train wreck this past year with the d-line & LB play + Byndom&Diggs-Phillips played very poor, so I could see how Kenny may have had a bad game or 2.

I respect what you're saying and admit I could be wrong. I guess that's what some are not getting. I could obviously be wrong. It's just my opinion. I like Kenny Vaccaro, but the majority has been wrong before. It won't be the last time either.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

barron went 7th does that mean he should be twice as good as thomas?

vaccaro started 0 games under muschamp in '09 and was mostly a special teamer and started 6 in '10 under muschamp and only two at safety.

a whopping 2 games under his belt with a good D coordinator at the position he will play in the NFL.

it is asinine to expect him to be similar to thomas because of the draft spot as they are different types of players entirely, vaccaro is plenty athletic but thomas has CB make up speed and is rangier while vaccaro lacks those skills to an extent he makes his reads quick and closes down hill a little better, and the guy doesn't quit and plays side line to side line. You watched the games you should know that there were many times he made the play coming across the field when he had no business making the play, often times saving a big(ger) gain.

What I find odd is that the people pulling back the reigns on Vaccaro the most are locals who probably watch more Texas games than most people. Granted, Texas hasn't had the best coaching as of late, including Mac Brown's most recent teams. I guess we're used to the hype some players get. And we've seen much better safeties play here. That's for sure.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Skip was in total Man-crush mode on him, and talked about how he had the Arkansas connection, that he would have been a first rounder had he come out the previous year etc. (which he would have went behind luck/RG3 but before Tannehil/Weeden).

But he will still prob go in the 2-3 round. I wouldn't be up in arms if we took him in the 3rd, but it'd have to be the perfect scenario where we got exactly what we were hoping for in the first two rounds and he was the BPA.

How would he feel being benched for the foreseeable future though? I mean, it's not like there's a 108 million dollar competition. That gig is pretty much sealed up.

 

[RGKN33]

That makes no sense. There are plenty of guys that play one position in college and get drafted as another in the NFL. Its just a matter of scheme difference really, Vacarro was certainly a S in college just not the same type of S we will use him as. Thats like saying we shouldn't have drafted Ware because he was a DE in college and not an OLB.

You are completely missing the whole point to what i was saying .
He is NOT A GOOD SAFETY !
END OF STORY .
I dont care if he played nickel corner , fs , ss , doesnt matter he will not be worth a 1st, 2nd , 3rd draft pick and ill stand by that and be right here if you can prove me wrong .

 

[joseephuss]

barron went 7th does that mean he should be twice as good as thomas?

That doesn't make any sense. I don't even see how you went down that line of reasoning. No one has ever thought going 7th makes you twice as good as the person drafted 14th or anything of that nature. That is a poor example on your part

vaccaro started 0 games under muschamp in '09 and was mostly a special teamer and started 6 in '10 under muschamp and only two at safety.

a whopping 2 games under his belt with a good D coordinator at the position he will play in the NFL.

it is asinine to expect him to be similar to thomas because of the draft spot as they are different types of players entirely, vaccaro is plenty athletic but thomas has CB make up speed and is rangier while vaccaro lacks those skills to an extent he makes his reads quick and closes down hill a little better, and the guy doesn't quit and plays side line to side line. You watched the games you should know that there were many times he made the play coming across the field when he had no business making the play, often times saving a big(ger) gain.

I don't expect him to be anything like Thomas. They are different players and different play different ways. I do expect someone drafted in that range to be worth being taken in that range. If Dallas takes an offensive guard, I expect that guard to be worthy of that #18 pick. I don't think Vaccaro is worth that pick. I did watch the games and I saw a solid player, not a great player.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

But he's ranked that way because of opinions, no?

Sure. Opinion, based on real film study (probably every game he's played, going back to HS in some cases), indepth discussion with coaches, combine and Pro Day workouts, player history and discussions with opposition coaches and players. Yeah, it's opinion but it's based on some very solid investigation into the player.

All of which, we do not have access to.

 

[Muhast]

How would he feel being benched for the foreseeable future though? I mean, it's not like there's a 108 million dollar competition. That gig is pretty much sealed up.

I don't think any QB wants to come into a situation where he won't play for the next 3-4 years for sure. But he specifically mentioned Dallas as the one team when he was asked. He said "I mean, at this point any team would be great, but definitely your team" And skip said "So my Cowboys, Jerry Jones team" and he nodded and went right back to the politically correct answer of any team would be great.

I highly doubt we draft him, but I always like to see players who want to play here. It's one thing to say it to a local reporter of a city, but on ESPN, different story altogether.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't think any QB wants to come into a situation where he won't play for the next 3-4 years for sure. But he specifically mentioned Dallas as the one team when he was asked. He said "I mean, at this point any team would be great, but definitely your team" And skip said "So my Cowboys, Jerry Jones team" and he nodded and went right back to the politically correct answer of any team would be great.

I highly doubt we draft him, but I always like to see players who want to play here. It's one thing to say it to a local reporter of a city, but on ESPN, different story altogether.

I'm just the opposite. For me, the only reason I say this is because chances are, it's not going to work out and then we end up with a player that feels like they've been scorned or wronged by the franchise. They use it as a motivational tool and then we see it when they play us. I call it the Randy Moss effect but I do agree, it's cool to see players like the Cowboys in this fashion. I just hate it when it turns.

:laugh2:

 

[rkell87]

That doesn't make any sense. I don't even see how you went down that line of reasoning. No one has ever thought going 7th makes you twice as good as the person drafted 14th or anything of that nature. That is a poor example on your part



I don't expect him to be anything like Thomas. They are different players and different play different ways. I do expect someone drafted in that range to be worth being taken in that range. If Dallas takes an offensive guard, I expect that guard to be worthy of that #18 pick. I don't think Vaccaro is worth that pick. I did watch the games and I saw a solid player, not a great player.

you're the one who said you expect him to be similar to thomas because he is expected to go around the same spot, I'm only picking up what you're putting down.

lets not forget though, that eric berry came out the same draft as thomas and thomas would have gone to KC at 5 overall most likely if berry wasn't in that draft. It just so happened that safety wasn't a priority for the teams with the next 9 picks. I don't think anybody who knows anything expects vaccaro to be an elite safety, just a pretty to very good one. There isn't an elite safety in this draft and there were two in the '10 draft and sometimes that is just the way it goes, you can't always control your teams needs to match up with the drafts where an elite player falls lower than he should.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I don't think any QB wants to come into a situation where he won't play for the next 3-4 years for sure. But he specifically mentioned Dallas as the one team when he was asked. He said "I mean, at this point any team would be great, but definitely your team" And skip said "So my Cowboys, Jerry Jones team" and he nodded and went right back to the politically correct answer of any team would be great.

I highly doubt we draft him, but I always like to see players who want to play here. It's one thing to say it to a local reporter of a city, but on ESPN, different story altogether.

Agreed.