Kevin Burnett

[junk]

I think Burnett will be on the outside and Fujita on the inside. Fujita is huge and could probably have a better shot at shedding a lineman the Burnett but its close on who would be better at the spot but given Fujita exp I think he will be inside.

You know, we all talk about these guys at various positions.....but none of them have ever practiced there.

If that is their eventual destination, why not start getting them reps there now?

The whole LB mess leaves me very confused.

 

[Hollywood Henderson]

You know, we all talk about these guys at various positions.....but none of them have ever practiced there.

If that is their eventual destination, why not start getting them reps there now?

The whole LB mess leaves me very confused.

I think we will find out pretty soon what Parcells/zimmy has in store for Burnett, I just don't think its backing up Ware...

I think Fugy will eventually start at big Al's spot...

I like Burnett inside, where he can go sideline to sideline or blitz up the middle with both explosion & athletic ability that nether Dat nor Shanle have...

(For the record, My take is dat can't hold up playing BOTH base & nickle D pkgs...) Lets see how it plays out shall we?

 

[RoysAHitta]

if parcells planned on using almost a first round pick in burnett to simply backup another first round pick in ware, what the heck was he thinking?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think we will find out pretty soon what Parcells/zimmy has in store for Burnett, I just don't think its backing up Ware...

I think Fugy will eventually start at big Al's spot...

I like Burnett inside, where he can go sideline to sideline or blitz up the middle with both explosion & athletic ability that nether Dat nor Shanle have...

(For the record, My take is dat can't hold up playing BOTH base & nickle D pkgs...) Lets see how it plays out shall we?

He broke his arm a few years ago and missed the rest of the season but other than that hes been very durable. He did just what your talking about last season.

Youre def grasping at straws for something to demonstrate that Dat will fail and have been doing so for months. Its pitiful.

At least Nors knew to stop with the whole Singleton thing.

 

[blindzebra]

You know, we all talk about these guys at various positions.....but none of them have ever practiced there.

If that is their eventual destination, why not start getting them reps there now?

The whole LB mess leaves me very confused.

Had Burnett been in a 3-4 in college, or had been a MLB in college, we might have done just that.

Parcells has invested in James, so he got first crack at the spot, too bad he might be playing his way off the team. Shanle and Fowler are in similar position, but lacked the draft status.

In the start we had Thornton, and did not have Fujita, so with James, Shanle, Fowler and O'Neil in the mix it seemed logical to keep Burnett outside.

Parcells says repeatedly that he does not want to overwhelm young players, and has mentioned how both Ware and Burnett have struggled in the mental part of 3-4 LB, so that probably is a factor too.

We likely won't make a final decision on him being inside or outside until the draft, but I'd bet that LB is at the top of our need list. If we draft an OLB, Burnett moves inside. If we draft an ILB, he'll stay outside.

 

[junk]

I think we will find out pretty soon what Parcells/zimmy has in store for Burnett, I just don't think its backing up Ware...

I think Fugy will eventually start at big Al's spot...

I like Burnett inside, where he can go sideline to sideline or blitz up the middle with both explosion & athletic ability that nether Dat nor Shanle have...

(For the record, My take is dat can't hold up playing BOTH base & nickle D pkgs...) Lets see how it plays out shall we?

I hope Burnett starts to get increased PT.

I agree, I think the plan is to get Fujita in there at Singleton's spot. I noticed he got a lot more reps last week. I expect them to continue to increase.

Fair enough on Dat. And I do agree that sometime in the next couple of years, he'll probably be a full time nickel backer. Right now, though, he is the team's best backer.

 

[junk]

Had Burnett been in a 3-4 in college, or had been a MLB in college, we might have done just that.

Parcells has invested in James, so he got first crack at the spot, too bad he might be playing his way off the team. Shanle and Fowler are in similar position, but lacked the draft status.

In the start we had Thornton, and did not have Fujita, so with James, Shanle, Fowler and O'Neil in the mix it seemed logical to keep Burnett outside.

Parcells says repeatedly that he does not want to overwhelm young players, and has mentioned how both Ware and Burnett have struggled in the mental part of 3-4 LB, so that probably is a factor too.

We likely won't make a final decision on him being inside or outside until the draft, but I'd bet that LB is at the top of our need list. If we draft an OLB, Burnett moves inside. If we draft an ILB, he'll stay outside.

I agree on the LB need. This team might need two of them to make the 3-4 go.

 

[burmafrd]

Dat is da man of our LB corps. No matter how some keep dumping on him. That is why when another game comes around and he is the leading tackler and the favorite of those that hate him (James) pretty much does nothing AGAIN- I LOVE IT.

 

[blindzebra]

I agree on the LB need. This team might need two of them to make the 3-4 go.

Yep, the 3-4 is predicated on the LBs making plays and right now we have Ware and Burnett that have that potential, but it has not happened on the field yet. After them?

Dat and Fujita could be solid players, but neither has that WOW factor you need at 3-4 LB. Singleton is solid, but a poor fit.

The rest, Shanle, James, Fowler, Ogbogu and Thornton are well...not players I'd want to hang my hat on to be the Carson, Pepper, or Banks for Tuna's 3-4.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yep, the 3-4 is predicated on the LBs making plays and right now we have Ware and Burnett that have that potential, but it has not happened on the field yet. After them?

Dat and Fujita could be solid players, but neither has that WOW factor you need at 3-4 LB. Singleton is solid, but a poor fit.

The rest, Shanle, James, Fowler, Ogbogu and Thornton are well...not players I'd want to hang my hat on to be the Carson, Pepper, or Banks for Tuna's 3-4.

In the 3-4 we are two deep at every position and can rotate. For the 4-3 we do not have the tackle depth and by the 4th quarter Glover and Ferguson are going to be worthless.

4-3 looks are fine but we do not have the tackle depth end of story. You want 2004 redux.

 

[blindzebra]

In the 3-4 we are two deep at every position and can rotate. For the 4-3 we do not have the tackle depth and by the 4th quarter Glover and Ferguson are going to be worthless.

4-3 looks are fine but we do not have the tackle depth end of story. You want 2004 redux.

Who the hell is talking about the 4-3?

We have nothing but question marks at LB other than Dat right now. And even if Ware and Burnett turn out we are still going to need another impact player or two next year at LB.

 

[Hostile]

I think we will find out pretty soon what Parcells/zimmy has in store for Burnett, I just don't think its backing up Ware...

I think Fugy will eventually start at big Al's spot...

I like Burnett inside, where he can go sideline to sideline or blitz up the middle with both explosion & athletic ability that nether Dat nor Shanle have...

(For the record, My take is dat can't hold up playing BOTH base & nickle D pkgs...) Lets see how it plays out shall we?

So, let me get this straight. If he gets some kind of freak injury at any point this season you're going to beat your chest and say you told us so that he's fragile?

I mean, completely ignore the fact that he hasn't missed a game since 2002.

By far, this Dat the Gnat stuff is the saddest agenda on the forum.

 

[Nors]

Lb we are upgraded when Burnett healthy. Ware growing into a OLB SACK MEISTER! Fujita is getting Als off the field increasingly week by week - thats upgrade....

 

[Hostile]

Lb we are upgraded when Burnett healthy. Ware growing into a OLB SACK MEISTER! Fujita is getting Als off the field increasingly week by week - thats upgrade....

You're coming around to the fact it is about personnel.

:wink2:

:hammock:

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Who the hell is talking about the 4-3?

We have nothing but question marks at LB other than Dat right now. And even if Ware and Burnett turn out we are still going to need another impact player or two next year at LB.

Well it is you that Im talking to.

Youre whole argument before was that we have the personnel to run the 4-3 but not the 3-4 and this looks like an extension of that old argument.

So youre finally coming around to the fact that our personnel better fits the 3-4?

 

[junk]

Well it is you that Im talking to.

Youre whole argument before was that we have the personnel to run the 4-3 but not the 3-4 and this looks like an extension of that old argument.

So youre finally coming around to the fact that our personnel better fits the 3-4?

People are so bogged down in this 3-4/4-3 crap. There is more to it than that.

The line goes two deep on the DL....not at LB. There is barely starting material at the LB position much less depth that goes two deep. There definitely aren't the playmaking, catalytic players you want in a 3-4 scheme.

You can use 3-4 schemes and 3-4 responsibilites, but play 4 DL. You don't have to do it all game either.

Why do you need to rotate DL, but not LBers?

The talent on the team is at DL. I'd like to see a scheme that plays more to that. You can do that with 3-4 principles. What does that add? The transistion to a 3-4 defense while playing to the current strengths of the team.

The draft (and free agency) next year will need at least one LB and possibly two in order to complete the defense (along with a FS) IMO.

 

[Hollywood Henderson]

So, let me get this straight. If he gets some kind of freak injury at any point this season you're going to beat your chest and say you told us so that he's fragile?

I mean, completely ignore the fact that he hasn't missed a game since 2002.

By far, this Dat the Gnat stuff is the saddest agenda on the forum.

I predict things...You whine about things...

I see things and find weaknesses...Our nickle pass rush...Dat not being able to hold up to that workload is one of them...

No go talk about golf or something....

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

People are so bogged down in this 3-4/4-3 crap. There is more to it than that.

The line goes two deep on the DL....not at LB. There is barely starting material at the LB position much less depth that goes two deep. There definitely aren't the playmaking, catalytic players you want in a 3-4 scheme.

You can use 3-4 schemes and 3-4 responsibilites, but play 4 DL. You don't have to do it all game either.

Why do you need to rotate DL, but not LBers?

The talent on the team is at DL. I'd like to see a scheme that plays more to that. You can do that with 3-4 principles. What does that add? The transistion to a 3-4 defense while playing to the current strengths of the team.

The draft (and free agency) next year will need at least one LB and possibly two in order to complete the defense (along with a FS) IMO.

Youre making the assumption that Spears and Canty are going to be players then discount Burnett and Fujita in the same breath.

Its OLB are supposed to be the catalytic playmakers not the inside guys who are akin to wil and mike from a 4-3. Now I have seen Singleton get pushed around on runs to his side and if Fujita/Burnett cannot step up you may have a point. But considering how one was just brought in and the other is probably just now getting back to close to 100% its premature for you to make the claims of lack of depth.

But if either can step in and perform to expectations supplanting Singleton with there size and quickness on the outside then all of a sudden our LB situation is rosy. Shanle Fowler Singleton and the remainder of Fujita/Burnett are very good depth. Additionally LBers dont need to be rotated so much because they are not engaging an offensive lineman every down.

And talk of the 4-3/3-4 fixation all you want but that does not lessen the fact that we dont have the DT depth esp on first downs to consistently use a 4 man front. Now I am all for showing different looks as we do but I am 100% against having to deal with 4th quarter collapses because Glover and Ferguson are completely gassed.

Finally we need to keep this defense simple for now. Everyone complains about the vanilla looks but look at the experience we have: only Glover and Cantly have experience with our base, Canty, Spears, Ware and Burnett are all rookies, and everyone else is trying this scheme for the first time.

For now I am content with seeing Parcell's 3-4 and our nickle until we at the very least stop the run consistently and then mix in some other stuff.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I predict things...You whine about things...

I see things and find weaknesses...Our nickle pass rush...Dat not being able to hold up to that workload is one of them...

No go talk about golf or something....

Actually youve been whining about Dat and Zimmer since last season.

:cry2:Whaa Zimmy doesnt use a lot of motion on his fronts

:cry:whaaa Zimmy is Squiggy

:cry2:Whaaa Dat is too small
:cry:whaaaa Zimmy doesnt do halftime adjustments

:cry2:whaaaa passive read and react

:cry2: The crybaby cries.

 

[Hollywood Henderson]

Our base D is fine for now, just adjusting to situations will come with experence...

But we need changeups on our Nickle...

The base 4 man rush is too predictable...
Dat & Shanle both are too slow as the Lbers...

We can't allow Collins time to throw deep or his arm & their speed at WR will kill us again with no Centerfield FS...

We better hope Burnett is ready to play...
I think its near to seeing a impact from the rook from Tenn...