Kevin Olgetree is the real deal

[Alexander]

Never going to happen, Roy Williams makes too much money and we gave up a lot to get him.

At best, Garrett has to find creative ways to get Kevin Olgetree on the field.

Basically, this.

Williams is not going to get benched. That would be admitting the trade was a mistake. The best we can hope for is him being sat for more series like he was on the final one. He is not dependable. That third down pass hit him right in the hands and that kind of flub is what can cause a downfall.

I think some are overplaying Ogletree, but when Williams is as disappointing as he is, even a marginal player looks good.

 

[Baileyneverfailey]

Ogletree deserves playtime, that is certain. We don't have another guy on our team right now that can make that catch he made keeping his feet in bounds. He's quick, fast, runs good routes, and has good hands. The Terry Glenn comparison is early but relevant.

If we thought our O-Line could block for it I would spread teams with 4 wide sets and bring Ogletree on the field for those packages.

 

[aikemirv]

Romo likes Ogletree and he is comfortable with him.

I know it would be admitting a mistake if you bench RW but if Ogletree is the real deal (which I think he is) then I really don't care about the mistake. You trade a mistake for a find all the time in the NFL. Just look at Jay Ratliff, one of the most dominant Lineman in the league in the 7th round and yet Spears(A good player who I am not unhappy with) was taken in the first round.

Jerry, don't let pride get in the way of what should be done, just do it and move forward. I am as mad, even more, at RW for dropping that catch as I am at Folk for missing that extra point FG.

If Folk gets cut, RW should at least get benched for that!

 

[juck]

what could we get for RW? a 3rd?

 

[Everlastingxxx]

That catch O-Tree made was a thing of beauty. We won a great game but i would still like to see the Cowboys address the WR position. Less of RW on 3rd downs and more of Crayton, Hurd and O-Tree. Sky is the limit for the Boys if they can fix the order of that position.

 

[CATCH17]

what could we get for RW? a 3rd?

Nothing unless he reworks his deal.

Nobody is going to pay him 9 mill a year.

Im not giving up on him but for this season i'd like to see him be a rotational guy.

We need to start getting more guys rotating in and out with him.

 

[Alexander]

I know it would be admitting a mistake if you bench RW but if Ogletree is the real deal (which I think he is) then I really don't care about the mistake.

You don't.

I don't.

Jerry Jones does.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Kevin is a ton of fun to watch and I think he's going to start getting more and more oppurtunities to be on the field but I can't see them quitting on Roy Williams already and I can't see them just booting Patrick Crayton. I swear that poor guy gets absolutely zero respect despite the fact that he works hard and does whatever is asked of him without complaint.

 

[aikemirv]

You don't.

I don't.

Jerry Jones does.

I am sure he does, it costs him a lot of money but in business, to succeed you don't let one mistake force you into another one.

 

[Hostile]

I am against throwing a young player to the wolves and letting his confidence get affected. Bring Ogletree along at the right pace and he could turn out to be a true find for us. I think this is the right pace. Get him his sea legs before you put him at the rudder and ask him to drive. The great thing is that there is so much promise there. But I think it would be a huge mistake to move a guy from the 5 spot to the 2 spot in in his rookie year unless we were suffering major WR injuries. He is young. There is time to groom him as a starter. That said, I would be seriously considering him for the #3 spot going into Camp next year. From there it is a more natural elevation to #2.

 

[NewJCowboy]

I think a "start Roy vs. start Ogletree" poll should be made.

That was one of the nastiest catches I've ever seen. Anyone have a .gif of it?

Personally I think he's done enough with the opportunities given to him to warrant getting Roy's spot in the starting lineup. Like someone's mentioned, the investment in Roy is probably the only reason he's still starting.

What would be the point of a Roy vs. Ogletree poll? Roy is the starter. If anybody is going to start over Roy it would be Crayton and not Ogletree.

 

[tyke1doe]

I don't think RW is going to be sitting. I do think they will find ways to get Olgtree involved along with Austin, Crayton and RW. You may have noticed in the Saints game Hurd also made a good play for us.

U b smart.

I know fans want Olgetree to take over for Roy Williams, but it just aint happening - this year.

It's not just about talent. It's about knowing the full play book. Most rookies don't absorb the entire play book let alone understand blitz reads, when to break off a route, getting in sync with your quarterback, beating press coverage, etc.

You start Olgetree, and I can guarantee you he'll be lost out there. A few plays here and there builds his confidence and allows him to contribute.

But no way do you want to sub him in for Roy Williams at this time.

Maybe next year. But definitely not this year.

 

[tyke1doe]

I am against throwing a young player to the wolves and letting his confidence get affected. Bring Ogletree along at the right pace and he could turn out to be a true find for us. I think this is the right pace. Get him his sea legs before you put him at the rudder and ask him to drive. The great thing is that there is so much promise there. But I think it would be a huge mistake to move a guy from the 5 spot to the 2 spot in in his rookie year unless we were suffering major WR injuries. He is young. There is time to groom him as a starter. That said, I would be seriously considering him for the #3 spot going into Camp next year. From there it is a more natural elevation to #2.

U b smart 2.

I hadn't read your post before I offered mine. We're on the same page.

 

[Aven8]

He'll get his time. Jerry loves this kid. He's been building him up all year, much like he did Austin.

I've been saying this kid was going to be a good one since pre-season. In the short time I've seen him he reminds me a lot of Tory Holt. If he's half that good I will take it!

 

[aikemirv]

I am against throwing a young player to the wolves and letting his confidence get affected. Bring Ogletree along at the right pace and he could turn out to be a true find for us. I think this is the right pace. Get him his sea legs before you put him at the rudder and ask him to drive. The great thing is that there is so much promise there. But I think it would be a huge mistake to move a guy from the 5 spot to the 2 spot in in his rookie year unless we were suffering major WR injuries. He is young. There is time to groom him as a starter. That said, I would be seriously considering him for the #3 spot going into Camp next year. From there it is a more natural elevation to #2.

I have heard that you can hurt a QB's confidence throwing him to the wolves early but have never heard that with a WR. I bet he would have no problem. I am sure he knows the whole offense pretty well at this point and I would keep Crayton in the slot because that is where he is best and belongs.

I think a good example of this is how UNC's BB team , by the end of the year every year is so good because at that point their slew of Freshamn are no longer Freshman anymore because of the whole year of experience against top competition. At this point Ogletree might as well be in his 2nd year because of all the gameplanning and play time he has gotten.

 

[Hostile]

I have heard that you can hurt a QB's confidence throwing him to the wolves early but have never heard that with a WR. I bet he would have no problem. I am sure he knows the whole offense pretty well at this point and I would keep Crayton in the slot because that is where he is best and belongs.

Anyone who thinks Ogletree knows his role on all of the plays he would be on the field for if he were the #2 WR is deluding themselves. He is working on a carefully scripted amount of plays designed to teach him the fundamentals he would need to move up. That is what all teams do. As he learns more he will get more opportunities. As he succeeds more he will be given more trust. Even a player like Randy Moss was limited at first. The thing about him was that he was so athletically gifted that no one could cover him. We can't afford a limited starter and especially one who is in no way a Randy Moss. Let the kid grow.

 

[iceberg]

Man, I don't get it.
Just because we screwed the pooch on R.Williams and paid alot of $$ for him and gave up draft picks is no reason to play him if he isn't performing.

I have to put this in a different perspective.

I play in many golf tourny's every year. They cost me $75- $125.00 for each tourny.

After golf they have a dinner . Sometimes I would rather go home and spend some family time and cook out with the family, so I leave after golf.

My wife says ,"You paid all that $$ and didn't stay for the dinner , what a waste.

I tell her Why should I stay and do something I don't enjoy just because I paid for it, when I'd rather be somewhere else.

It doesn't make sense.

No matter what we paid or gave up for him it's totally dumb to play him if he doesn't produce.


Man,:bang2: I just don't get.

what i also don't get is just because we see a few flashes from a player (and yes, they're nice pretty flashes to be sure) we think we should sit established vets down immediately and let the kid have at it.

we've seen a lot of players with flashes and we need to give them time to develop. getting all mad at the deal we made roy and using that as a reason to either play him or not play him is just silly. i agree it should have nothing to do with it.

so maybe roy is still at this point better than kevin? maybe? possible?

when ogletree can show it on a consistant basis and out plays roy in practice, make the move. till then i think we need to restrain ourselves at making such drastic roster moves based on 1 or 2 plays.

 

[JohnsKey19]

Ogletree can easily carve himself a nice role next season and finish possibly with 25-30 catches without any of te top 3 WRs being demoted. They can use him in certain packages and use more 4 WR sets.

All it takes is a little creativity from the coaching staff and unselfishness from the other WRs/TEs.

 

[CATCH17]

Kevin is a ton of fun to watch and I think he's going to start getting more and more oppurtunities to be on the field but I can't see them quitting on Roy Williams already and I can't see them just booting Patrick Crayton. I swear that poor guy gets absolutely zero respect despite the fact that he works hard and does whatever is asked of him without complaint.

See I dont.

Everytime a young player does something we just let him fizzle out again.

Miles Austin has been knocking on the door for about 2 years and it took an injury to get him on the field this year or he would still be our 3rd guy.

 

[Gadfly22]

Ogletree won't be starting anytime soon. However, Romo may be losing confidence in Roy W. He's certainly capable of big plays, but the two of them still seem not to be on the same wavelength.

But Romo and Ogletree have been clicking since preseason. Ogletree seems to know where he has to be, and Romo puts the ball there. So Ogletree may be seeing more playing time as we move into critical games. Which is kind of backwards -- you'd think the veteran big-name WR would be the main target.