Kevin Olgetree is the real deal

[CATCH17]

Ogletree won't be starting anytime soon. However, Romo may be losing confidence in Roy W. He's certainly capable of big plays, but the two of them still seem not to be on the same wavelength.

But Romo and Ogletree have been clicking since preseason. Ogletree seems to know where he has to be, and Romo puts the ball there. So Ogletree may be seeing more playing time as we move into critical games. Which is kind of backwards -- you'd think the veteran big-name WR would be the main target.

He doesn't need to start though. Its just time for us to start rotating guys like the Giants do with all of their receivers.

 

[iceberg]

See I dont.

Everytime a young player does something we just let him fizzle out again.

Miles Austin has been knocking on the door for about 2 years and it took an injury to get him on the field this year or he would still be our 3rd guy.

or maybe it took him 2 years to develop and understand the position enough to be able to take advantage of that opportunity.

 

[CATCH17]

or maybe it took him 2 years to develop and understand the position enough to be able to take advantage of that opportunity.

Doubt it. He'd still be riding pine had Roy not got hurt.

 

[iceberg]

Doubt it. He'd still be riding pine had Roy not got hurt.

maybe. hard to say and be sure. but when people asked romo how come he and austin can click but he and roy do not, romo said it was because he and austin had years of work together to know what the other is going to do.

i think it *does* have relevance to grow together as a team. give roy time, in the meantime, crayton is back where he belongs and austin is on his way.

 

[jimmy40]

Did you see the way Ogletree pushed that cb and turned him around?

Ogletree could end up being a HOFer but Ma Kettle could turn #27 around. That guy absolutely sucked all night. I said just throw it at #27 early in the game thread.

 

[CATCH17]

maybe. hard to say and be sure. but when people asked romo how come he and austin can click but he and roy do not, romo said it was because he and austin had years of work together to know what the other is going to do.

i think it *does* have relevance to grow together as a team. give roy time, in the meantime, crayton is back where he belongs and austin is on his way.

Im definetely not giving up on Roy but I just think its in our best interest to rotate him in and out this season.

 

[diehard2294]

for reasons pointed out we are stuck with the imposter for now. I think Jerry really thought we were going to make a run at the SB last year. He thought RW was the missing piece. So now he has to keep the players spirits up

I remember Wade saying you have to play your best players at his PC last week

so I would ask him is RW the best player at the position/ or is he playing because of what was invested in him

I admit I am a bit smitten about Ogletree, runs nice routes and is hungry

as austin has I think he can inject some new life into the offense

the real question is when will Jerry realize RW is an imposter and cut ties next year?

 

[Eskimo]

Ogletree can easily carve himself a nice role next season and finish possibly with 25-30 catches without any of te top 3 WRs being demoted. They can use him in certain packages and use more 4 WR sets.

All it takes is a little creativity from the coaching staff and unselfishness from the other WRs/TEs.

That is too slow.

Let hiim compete for the #2 WR position in camp next year - based on what I've seen he will beat out RW, Crayton and Hurd.

I would expect 50-60 catches from him next year in that position because he is going to see alot of single coverage or zones rolled over to Austin's side.

It should be the WR's coach main job over the offseason to get him ready for that role. A secondary project would be to see if they can resurrect Roy Williams' career - it will take lots of hard work from Roy. He'll have to work everyday on running routes and catching balls. I don't think he cares enough to do this because he is already an all-pro wr in his own mind.

It'd be great if the scouts keep on finding these undrafted gems. Keep looking for guys from non-passing teams or teams with poor QB play that can fly under the radar.

 

[sacase]

OK this is getting a little over the top with people talking about that catch. It wasn't sooooooo AMAZING like people are trying to make it out to be. It is a catch that is practiced daily from the high school level all the way up to the NFL I remember in both high school and college spending part of every practice making catches like that. It is expected of you, just like catch a fade route or a slant. Yes it was a good catch that moved the chains, but every other reciever on the team (to include Roy Williams) has made a similar catch many times in their football career.

 

[Givincer]

What would be the point of a Roy vs. Ogletree poll? Roy is the starter. If anybody is going to start over Roy it would be Crayton and not Ogletree.

Here's a start - what's the point of any poll? To see what the opinion of a population is?

 

[kmd24]

The difference between Ogletree and RW on the out route is so big it's amazing.

I have said it several times this year, but I have never believed it more than I did Saturday night after Ogletree's catch on that out: RW is not good at running precise routes.

I think RW is telegraphing his break. I haven't seen anything definitive on out routes, but I noticed it on the replay of his second TD at NY, the one where he swam past the DB to get to the outside. He has significant body lean before he starts his break.

By contrast, Ogletree was running straight up the field and had the DB turned and running before he went into his break, and he was all alone when the ball arrived.

I agree with Hos that there might be too much on the kid's plate for him to see starter reps right now, but from the limited amount I've watched him, I think Ogletree is the best route runner on the squad. I hope he gets on the field more.

 

[jimmy40]

OK this is getting a little over the top with people talking about that catch. It wasn't sooooooo AMAZING like people are trying to make it out to be. It is a catch that is practiced daily from the high school level all the way up to the NFL I remember in both high school and college spending part of every practice making catches like that. It is expected of you, just like catch a fade route or a slant. Yes it was a good catch that moved the chains, but every other reciever on the team (to include Roy Williams) has made a similar catch many times in their football career.

these are the same guys that had Julius Jones in the Hall of Fame. It's what they do.

 

[Four]

that catch and run roy had shows he can play, hell his career shows that.

I don't get what the deal is

 

[CATCH17]

that catch and run roy had shows he can play, hell his career shows that.

I don't get what the deal is

I think he just loses focus honestly.

I wish we would've had him from the time he was a rookie. He'd be a completely different player at this point in his career.

 

[kmd24]

OK this is getting a little over the top with people talking about that catch. It wasn't sooooooo AMAZING like people are trying to make it out to be. It is a catch that is practiced daily from the high school level all the way up to the NFL I remember in both high school and college spending part of every practice making catches like that. It is expected of you, just like catch a fade route or a slant. Yes it was a good catch that moved the chains, but every other reciever on the team (to include Roy Williams) has made a similar catch many times in their football career.

The catch is kinda meh, but the route was really good. Exactly how you are supposed to run that route.

 

[iceberg]

Here's a start - what's the point of any poll? To see what the opinion of a population is?

and figure out what not to do?

the opinion of the population and much of the free world is we lose in NO.

popular opinion is usually based off the last few shiney objects, not long term analysis.

 

[Future]

Ogletree deserves playtime, that is certain. We don't have another guy on our team right now that can make that catch he made keeping his feet in bounds. He's quick, fast, runs good routes, and has good hands. The Terry Glenn comparison is early but relevant.

If we thought our O-Line could block for it I would spread teams with 4 wide sets and bring Ogletree on the field for those packages.

I think Roy and Crayton both have teh ability to do that.

I like the Terry Glenn comparison, though I think he's a bit stronger and faster. He reminds me a little of Steve Smith from Carolina (maybe its just from watching last night) only is more fluid and has a little less burst.

 

[Givincer]

and figure out what not to do?

the opinion of the population and much of the free world is we lose in NO.

popular opinion is usually based off the last few shiney objects, not long term analysis.

Did I make any claims about the merit of public opinion? Pretty sure I didn't.

Simply, I think it'd be interesting (and nothing more...) to see how many people would like to see Ogletree start over Williams.

 

[Idgit]

Roy will start, they'll give him fewer looks, and give more looks to Hurd and Ogletree. This is a good thing.

Those who don't think Jerry Jones will cut bait on a bad investment because of pride are out of their gourds. There are reasons to play an investment to make sure you've given yourself every opportunity to make it productive, but that's not the same thing as stubbornly sticking with someone because you paid him a lot of money over the last two years. Last year's TO debate should have put this all to rest for good, shouldn't it?

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I disagree.

By all accounts, it took dang near the entire organization to convince Jerry Jones to dump Terrell Owens.

Regardless, my point is that there is no way Jerry Jones is going to give up on Roy Williams "this" year.

Also, the "He got rid of Terrell Owens" argument is somewhat weak because Terrell Owens was really destroying the locker room and was publicly throwing members of the Coaching Staff under the bus.

Again, Red Jesus will have to find creative ways to get the youngins involved because Roy Williams is not getting benched and his playing time is not going to be reduced.

Remember, the only reason Miles Austin finally got a shot and is now "Miles Austin the best receiver on the team" is because Roy Williams was injured.

Roy Williams is here to stay for a good while, let's get use to it.