Killa Keith Davis' dodging bullets in Miami now...2-years, $3.5 million

[MichaelWinicki]

we can afford to draft a couple of special teams aces who are unlikely to ever start on day two of the draft.

Wayne... I don't often disagree with you to this extent-- but not just "no", but hell no to drafting special team's aces who aren't ever expected to start.

We did that nonsense in the mid-90's and it killed us. Guys like Charlie Williams were drafted, not for their overall abilities, but because they could contribute to special teams. Just look at this f'ing mess of a draft in 1995:

2 Sherman Williams Alabama
2 Kendell Watkins Mississippi State
2 Shane Hannah Michigan State
3 Darren Benson Arkansas State suplapmental
3 Charlie Williams Bowling Green
4 Eric Bjornson Washington
4 Alundis Brice Mississippi
4 Linc Harden Oklahoma State
5 Edward Hervey USC
5 Dana Howard Illinois
7 Oscar Sturgis North Carolina

If the scouting/coaching staff can't honestly look at a prospect and not be able to see some glimmer of starting potential-- then I don't want the guy on this team.

 

[MtlCowboy]

I would never dare question Adam when it comes to comp picks. That's one of those things that someone tried to explain to me once and I stopped them after 10 minutes because I decided it would never be that important.

But it is my understanding that playing time is a factor as well as productivity so it doesn't seem like you could estimate their value yet. But again, I don't know. I'll just cheer for them to do well just in case.

one question for comp picks. usually you would subtract players the FA players your own team signed. does the Zach Thomas signing count against us?

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I knew BP would not let him leave without a deal.....

 

[BigDave95]

one question for comp picks. usually you would subtract players the FA players your own team signed. does the Zach Thomas signing count against us?

No.

He's not considered a UFA signing.

 

[cbfan55]

A lady I work with lives next door to his mother in Italy, TX and her son went to school with Davis told me that he wanted out of dallas to get more playing time

 

[WoodysGirl]

A lady I work with lives next door to his mother in Italy, TX and her son went to school with Davis told me that he wanted out of dallas to get more playing time

That's not exactly new. He's been pretty vocal about that since the season ended. It just wasn't going to happen here.

Davis spent five years with the Cowboys, joining the team in 2002 as a rookie free agent. He has been the team’s best special teams player the last four seasons, even serving as the special teams captain last year.

On Monday in Arlington, Cowboys vice president Stephen Jones didn’t sound as if the club had intentions of paying big bucks to Davis, who is viewed as a role player, more than a potential starter.

“(Special teams) is where we predominantly see his value,” Jones said of Davis. “We’ve got some good young safeties coming up, too. Courtney Brown and Pat Watkins are guys that have gotten better. I think they’ll continue to get better.”

http://blog.dallascowboys.com/blogs/goodtimes/archive/2008/3/11/1153280.aspx

 

[AdamJT13]

I would never dare question Adam when it comes to comp picks. That's one of those things that someone tried to explain to me once and I stopped them after 10 minutes because I decided it would never be that important.

But it is my understanding that playing time is a factor as well as productivity so it doesn't seem like you could estimate their value yet. But again, I don't know. I'll just cheer for them to do well just in case.

The only factors in the comp equation are the player's contract, his playing time on offense or defense and whether he makes the Pro Bowl. Nothing else matters.

Right now, we'd probably be looking at a fifth-round comp pick for Reeves, a sixth-round pick for Julius Jones and a seventh-round pick for Davis. Our only remaining UFA is Nate Jones.

 

[iceberg]

The only factors in the comp equation are the player's contract, his playing time on offense or defense and whether he makes the Pro Bowl. Nothing else matters.

Right now, we'd probably be looking at a fifth-round comp pick for Reeves, a sixth-round pick for Julius Jones and a seventh-round pick for Davis. Our only remaining UFA is Nate Jones.

but if say julius lights it up in seattle, how high could that pick go and what would he need to accomplish to get there?

thanks as always adam!

 

[Hostile]

The only factors in the comp equation are the player's contract, his playing time on offense or defense and whether he makes the Pro Bowl. Nothing else matters.

Right now, we'd probably be looking at a fifth-round comp pick for Reeves, a sixth-round pick for Julius Jones and a seventh-round pick for Davis. Our only remaining UFA is Nate Jones.

So, we need to root for Julius to have a Pro Bowl season with the Hawks.

I can do that. Anything to feed my greed.

 

[IronCowboy]

Davis is getting up there in age. Good for him that he left, atleast at 29, he'll finally get a chance to win a starting job.

 

[BigDave95]

The only factors in the comp equation are the player's contract, his playing time on offense or defense and whether he makes the Pro Bowl. Nothing else matters.

Right now, we'd probably be looking at a fifth-round comp pick for Reeves, a sixth-round pick for Julius Jones and a seventh-round pick for Davis. Our only remaining UFA is Nate Jones.

OK Good. So I wasn't far off.

While not exactly likely, it's not out of the realm of possibility that Killer could make the Pro Bowl as the special teams player. That designation is mostly off reputation and he is highly regarded for his special teams play.

No real chance of JuJo making the Pro Bowl so him just playing well wouldn't help us.

 

[gollum]

The only factors in the comp equation are the player's contract, his playing time on offense or defense and whether he makes the Pro Bowl. Nothing else matters.

Right now, we'd probably be looking at a fifth-round comp pick for Reeves, a sixth-round pick for Julius Jones and a seventh-round pick for Davis. Our only remaining UFA is Nate Jones.

I was wrong about Tyson being an UFA...my bad.

I think it will be iffy on Julius having enough PT to move him up into a 5th round comp pick...looks like the hawks are going RB by committee.
Reeves is kind of in the middle of the 5th round comp pool. He "should" get plenty of PT judging by that contract, but I don't know if it will be enough to garner a 4th.
Killer is at the top end of the spectrum for 7th round consideration...if he plays significantly on defense, he might do just enough to rise to a 6th round pick.

 

[Woods]

The only factors in the comp equation are the player's contract, his playing time on offense or defense and whether he makes the Pro Bowl. Nothing else matters.

Right now, we'd probably be looking at a fifth-round comp pick for Reeves, a sixth-round pick for Julius Jones and a seventh-round pick for Davis. Our only remaining UFA is Nate Jones.

This would almost be like having a an extra 2nd day of the draft. :laugh2:

 

[MichaelWinicki]

A lady I work with lives next door to his mother in Italy, TX and her son went to school with Davis told me that he wanted out of dallas to get more playing time

He had a chance at more playing time in Dallas and came up small.

Between his off-the-field escapades, his poor tackling angles and his lack of big plays... I'm not going to miss seeing him in a Cowboy uniform.

 

[AdamJT13]

but if say julius lights it up in seattle, how high could that pick go and what would he need to accomplish to get there?

thanks as always adam!

Even if Julius plays every single down for the Seahawks (very unlikely) and makes the Pro Bowl (even more unlikely), it still wouldn't be enough to bump him up to a fifth.

 

[TheCount]

So, we need to root for Julius to have a Pro Bowl season with the Hawks.

I can do that. Anything to feed my greed.

I think Julius will continue to suck and feed your hatred instead.

 

[Teague31]

Wayne... I don't often disagree with you to this extent-- but not just "no", but hell no to drafting special team's aces who aren't ever expected to start.

We did that nonsense in the mid-90's and it killed us. Guys like Charlie Williams were drafted, not for their overall abilities, but because they could contribute to special teams. Just look at this f'ing mess of a draft in 1995:

2 Sherman Williams Alabama
2 Kendell Watkins Mississippi State
2 Shane Hannah Michigan State
3 Darren Benson Arkansas State suplapmental
3 Charlie Williams Bowling Green
4 Eric Bjornson Washington
4 Alundis Brice Mississippi
4 Linc Harden Oklahoma State
5 Edward Hervey USC
5 Dana Howard Illinois
7 Oscar Sturgis North Carolina

If the scouting/coaching staff can't honestly look at a prospect and not be able to see some glimmer of starting potential-- then I don't want the guy on this team.

damn you for reminding of this crap... i hate you larry lacewell.

 

[Chief]

Wayne... I don't often disagree with you to this extent-- but not just "no", but hell no to drafting special team's aces who aren't ever expected to start.

We did that nonsense in the mid-90's and it killed us. Guys like Charlie Williams were drafted, not for their overall abilities, but because they could contribute to special teams. Just look at this f'ing mess of a draft in 1995:

2 Sherman Williams Alabama
2 Kendell Watkins Mississippi State
2 Shane Hannah Michigan State
3 Darren Benson Arkansas State suplapmental
3 Charlie Williams Bowling Green
4 Eric Bjornson Washington
4 Alundis Brice Mississippi
4 Linc Harden Oklahoma State
5 Edward Hervey USC
5 Dana Howard Illinois
7 Oscar Sturgis North Carolina

If the scouting/coaching staff can't honestly look at a prospect and not be able to see some glimmer of starting potential-- then I don't want the guy on this team.

That's a great point and a great post.

 

[MagicMan]

Wayne... I don't often disagree with you to this extent-- but not just "no", but hell no to drafting special team's aces who aren't ever expected to start.

We did that nonsense in the mid-90's and it killed us. Guys like Charlie Williams were drafted, not for their overall abilities, but because they could contribute to special teams. Just look at this f'ing mess of a draft in 1995:

2 Sherman Williams Alabama
2 Kendell Watkins Mississippi State
2 Shane Hannah Michigan State
3 Darren Benson Arkansas State suplapmental
3 Charlie Williams Bowling Green
4 Eric Bjornson Washington
4 Alundis Brice Mississippi
4 Linc Harden Oklahoma State
5 Edward Hervey USC
5 Dana Howard Illinois
7 Oscar Sturgis North Carolina

If the scouting/coaching staff can't honestly look at a prospect and not be able to see some glimmer of starting potential-- then I don't want the guy on this team.

That reminds me, I need to go to the bathroom...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Michael, our roster is at the stage where we can draft alot of special team's aces, now I'm not suggesting that most of the draft picks be shaped that way, but rounds 5-7 would be a good way to go, special team's coverage is so important nowadays since the NFL saw a record number of kicks returned for TDs this past year

that's a reason why I want us to draft VTech DE Chris Ellis, he has alot of work to do, but the potential is there, and coming from VTech, he is well-versed in playing special team's and has the physical attributes to be quite good at it, that's how we want to look at those picks, very raw guys who have great special team's potential, as well as the potential to be a good pro down the line.