Kobe Bryant

[Deputy493]

He plays on a trash team. If he doesn't go for at least 40 they lose. Lamar Slowdumb with 3 f-ing points. What a head case loser. The sonner he gets the hell off of my team the better.

and whose fault is it he plays for a mediocre team now? Yeah, his own, if you recall he hated sharing the spotlight with Shaq and basically had Shaq traded by giving the Lakers a him or me decision.....well Kobe has what he wants now, he can score his 40-50 a night since he is a stat *****, but now he plays for a mediocre team. Kobe is a ball hog.

 

[kev8822]

and whose fault is it he plays for a mediocre team now? Yeah, his own, if you recall he hated sharing the spotlight with Shaq and basically had Shaq traded by giving the Lakers a him or me decision.....well Kobe has what he wants now, he can score his 40-50 a night since he is a stat *****, but now he plays for a mediocre team. Kobe is a ball hog.

Shaq is the one who demanded the trade. Thank god. Otherwise Kobe would be a Clipper, and we would hamstrung by his 30 million dollar contracts deamands, and 380 lb fat A**. LA would've carted out a staring lineup of

C-400 lb Fat Shaq
PF-Brian Cook. Worst PF in the history of the world
SF-Rick Fox. Better actor than basketball player, and he is a terrible actor
SG-Kareem Rush-Not in the league anymore
PG-Gary Payton-800 years old.

Can't get anygood players because Shaq's contract alone puts LA at the cap limit.

I hate most of the moves LA has done post Shaq trade. I hope they make a move for Artest. He is 100% completely insane but is consistant, unlike Lamar Slowdumb.

 

[TRUTH87]

Kobe is the best player in the league right now. You can say wutever u want, i'm a bullz fan and I just dont see Kobe having the same impact over a game as Jordan did. Yeah hes outstanding, not even jordan had the 4 50pt. plus games...but its more than just scoring.

 

[Rampage]

What great players were on the Celtics Bird's rookie season?

he didn't win a title that year. what does that have to do with anything?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Kobe Bryant is a great player. I don't love Kobe but I acknowledge his greatness. The NBA today is a different game then it was in the 80s.

For those who say that he is not as great as Jordan, perhaps. However, Jordan was not a great outside shooter when he came into the league. It actually took him some time to strengthen this part of his game. Jordan is great because of when he played IMO. Had he played with those Bulls teams at the same time as Bird played with Boston and Magic played with LA, he would not have won all those championships. I believe Jordan and the Bulls would have ended up much like Dr. J and the Sixers. Dr. J was every bit the phenom Michael was. They were very simular players.

When Larry Bird joined the Celtics, they were not devoid of talent. The Celts had Cornbread Maxwell, Dave Cowens, Tiny Archibald, Pistol Pete, Chris Ford and ML Carr. The very next season, they aquired The Chief and Kevin McHale. Bird played with a great deal of talent in Boston from the get go.

Magic was a great player, that's true, but Magic was never a Center. He played Center in the 6th game of the 79-80 NBA Finals against the Sixers. He only played it for one game and not all of that game. He played all 5 positions but I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that he could play all 5 positions.

 

[Mavs Man]

Kobe Bryant is a great player. I don't love Kobe but I acknowledge his greatness. The NBA today is a different game then it was in the 80s.

For those who say that he is not as great as Jordan, perhaps. However, Jordan was not a great outside shooter when he came into the league. It actually took him some time to strengthen this part of his game. Jordan is great because of when he played IMO. Had he played with those Bulls teams at the same time as Bird played with Boston and Magic played with LA, he would not have won all those championships. I believe Jordan and the Bulls would have ended up much like Dr. J and the Sixers. Dr. J was every bit the phenom Michael was. They were very simular players.

Just for kicks, I put this in the John Madden simulator. Here's what he had to say:

Great players make great plays! When you have great players, on a great team, making great plays, you have a great game! Brett Favre! Kobe Bryant is a great player right there! BOOM!

:laugh2:

Sorry, ABQ - had to do it.

 

[gazmc_06]

I consider Kobe the greatest to ever play the game, I have a lot of respect for what Wilt and Jordan done but they were not doing it against the guys with ability such as LeBron, Wade, T-Mac, Duncan, Garnett............that list could go for a while because these guys are all taller, stronger, faster and more athletic than the guys Wilt and Jordan were playing - greatest ever IMO.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I consider Kobe the greatest to ever play the game, I have a lot of respect for what Wilt and Jordan done but they were not doing it against the guys with ability such as LeBron, Wade, T-Mac, Duncan, Garnett............that list could go for a while because these guys are all taller, stronger, faster and more athletic than the guys Wilt and Jordan were playing - greatest ever IMO.

Your wrong. BTW, I consider Kareem to be the greatest player of all time. JMO of course.

 

[gazmc_06]

I think Kareem is in the top 5 but I have Kobe, Jordan and Wilt above him - Kobe #1.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think Kareem is in the top 5 but I have Kobe, Jordan and Wilt above him - Kobe #1.

Based on What?

 

[Doomsday]

I think Kareem is in the top 5 but I have Kobe, Jordan and Wilt above him - Kobe #1.

Totally ridicilous in my opinion. The list is really simple

Jordan
Bird Magic
Everyone ELSE

Great players like Jordan have more then just god given talent they have the work ethic and mental toughness that seperates them from the rest of the players in the league. Dont think for a second that Jordan's teams of the 90's or Bird's or Magic's teams from the 80's wouldnt dominate in todays game. The Spurs dont have the best athletes on the floor but they consistently have one of the best teams. You really think Garnett etc.. are better or have more talent then guys like Barkley and Dominique who never could get over the hump. That is crazy talk.

JMO but Kareen isnt even the best center of all time.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Totally ridicilous in my opinion. The list is really simple

Jordan
Bird Magic
Everyone ELSE

Great players like Jordan have more then just god given talent they have the work ethic and mental toughness that seperates them from the rest of the players in the league. Dont think for a second that Jordan's teams of the 90's or Bird's or Magic's teams from the 80's wouldnt dominate in todays game. The Spurs dont have the best athletes on the floor but they consistently have one of the best teams. You really think Garnett etc.. are better or have more talent then guys like Barkley and Dominique who never could get over the hump. That is crazy talk.

JMO but Kareen isnt even the best center of all time.

Why Jordan, then Bird, then Magic, then everybody else? I think we're selling some players short here. I honestly believe that Magic was probably better then Bird. I honestly believe that Oscar Robertson was probably better then Jordan, Bird or Magic. I honestly believe that Kareem was the best player I've ever seen play. Better then Wilt IMO but I could see it going either way there. I mean, I'm not saying your wrong. I'm just asking you what you are using as a measuring stick in your evaluation.

 

[Doomsday]

It lost some of its formatting when I posted it. Was suppose to be a pyramid type rating with Jordan on the top of the pyramid, Magic and Bird on the second tier and everyone else on the third tier. Mostly because they are far and away the 3 greatest PLAYERS to ever play the sport. These guys were great players not because of just their own ability but because they had the ability to lift those around them to places they never could of gone on thier own, because they knew when and how to carry their teams, how to lead their teams in PRACTICE and during the games, they knew what it took to win championships and they had hearts of lions. There are some things you cant put your fingers on that they have just like Emmitt and Rice and other greats of their sports.

And for the record I would take Akeem Olajuwon over any other center to play the game. He was just as unstoppable offensively as Wilt and Kareem, was a great rebounder and a much better defender then either of them.

Kobe is a great scorer and a great athlete, probably the best of his generation but that doesnt make him a great player and it certainly doesnt make him the best ever.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

It lost some of its formatting when I posted it. Was suppose to be a pyramid type rating with Jordan on the top of the pyramid, Magic and Bird on the second tier and everyone else on the third tier. Mostly because they are far and away the 3 greatest PLAYERS to ever play the sport. These guys were great players not because of just their own ability but because they had the ability to lift those around them to places they never could of gone on thier own, because they knew when and how to carry their teams, how to lead their teams in PRACTICE and during the games, they knew what it took to win championships and they had hearts of lions. There are some things you cant put your fingers on that they have just like Emmitt and Rice and other greats of their sports.

And for the record I would take Akeem Olajuwon over any other center to play the game. He was just as unstoppable offensively as Wilt and Kareem, was a great rebounder and a much better defender then either of them.

Kobe is a great scorer and a great athlete, probably the best of his generation but that doesnt make him a great player and it certainly doesnt make him the best ever.

Olajuwon was a great player but I don't believe he was better then Kareem or Wilt. However, I can't fault your selection of Olajuwon. He was a great player as well. In the case of Jordan, I completely disagree. Jordan was a great player. Excellent defensive player and unstopable offensive player but Bird was a better passer and outside shooter. Magic was a much better passer, rebounder and playmaker, IMO. I think it's at least debatable but I will tell you this, I don't think any of the three were as good as Oscar Robertson. That's a guy you don't even mention and he was better then any of the three IMO.

 

[jimmy40]

Olajuwon was a great player but I don't believe he was better then Kareem or Wilt. However, I can't fault your selection of Olajuwon. He was a great player as well. In the case of Jordan, I completely disagree. Jordan was a great player. Excellent defensive player and unstopable offensive player but Bird was a better passer and outside shooter. Magic was a much better passer, rebounder and playmaker, IMO. I think it's at least debatable but I will tell you this, I don't think any of the three were as good as Oscar Robertson. That's a guy you don't even mention and he was better then any of the three IMO.

Magic could play all five positions and started a finals series winning game at center when Kareem was hurt. I think it's impossible to say who was the best ever but it's easy to say who wasn't, Kobe Bryant.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Magic could play all five positions and started a finals series winning game at center when Kareem was hurt. I think it's impossible to say who was the best ever but it's easy to say who wasn't, Kobe Bryant.

I do not believe that Bryant is the best player ever. I don't even think he's close at this point. He would have to accomplish much more in his career and sustain his current play for a very long time. It's possible but I don't think I'd say it's probable.

 

[The30YardSlant]

It lost some of its formatting when I posted it. Was suppose to be a pyramid type rating with Jordan on the top of the pyramid, Magic and Bird on the second tier and everyone else on the third tier. Mostly because they are far and away the 3 greatest PLAYERS to ever play the sport. These guys were great players not because of just their own ability but because they had the ability to lift those around them to places they never could of gone on thier own, because they knew when and how to carry their teams, how to lead their teams in PRACTICE and during the games, they knew what it took to win championships and they had hearts of lions. There are some things you cant put your fingers on that they have just like Emmitt and Rice and other greats of their sports.

And for the record I would take Akeem Olajuwon over any other center to play the game. He was just as unstoppable offensively as Wilt and Kareem, was a great rebounder and a much better defender then either of them.

Kobe is a great scorer and a great athlete, probably the best of his generation but that doesnt make him a great player and it certainly doesnt make him the best ever.

Hakeem was NOT as good a defender as Wilt Chamberlin

 

[Doomsday]

Hakeem was NOT as good a defender as Wilt Chamberlin

I disagree, Hakeem was a good shot blocker, was in consistently in the top 10 in the league in steals per game and won the DPOY award.