Kwame Harris Comes Out

[khiladi]

You do not have to be heterosexual to reproduce. Nor do you even need to engage in sexual activity.

Wow, just wow...

I'd just like to emphasize for now, your statements about triviliazing sex life in the context of defining marriage is absurd, because societal norms are rooted in these so-said biological constructs. Marriage never would have happened if it weren't for sex. Whether it's 1950s or today, biologists define life in the context of the dissemination of genes through the act of reproduction.

 

[NIBGoldenchild]

Do you walk down the street holding hand with your wife?

Do you ever show her affection in public?

If so, you are making it clear that you are heterosexual and involved in a heterosexual relationship with a woman. Your actions make clear your sexual orientation.

But it is funny that you keep equating homosexuality with sex. Is that all your marriage is about?

You are intentionally avoiding the point. Yes, I hold my wife's hand and show her affection in public. I'm also not at work either. So those questions don't relate at all to this discussion. None of this has anything to do with football. It is not relevant to the NFL. Period.

It is only relevant to people who have an interest in trying to change other people's morals and opinions, while demanding no one dare "force their religion" on them when their views are opposed. The very definition of hypocrisy, and still, completely irrelevant to football.

 

[AbeBeta]

It's simple logic.

He can't avoid the attention, because the attention is already there. The court documents don't come in an isolated vacuum, they come when the public already knows why he's going to court in the first place. Of course he's doing it intentionally, but intentionally doesn't negate he can be trying to divert attention from the fact he beats up his lover. Of course he's doing it intentionally, but intentionally doesn't negate the fact he may be trying to do it to lessen the situation he may face when in court.

I'm just wondering why he suddenly becomes brave...

Because he is talking about it rather than hiding from the press.

I think you fail to understand how important it is for young gay athletes to see someone like themselves. Even if the dude is flawed.

 

[AbeBeta]

Wow, just wow...

I'd just like to emphasize, your statements about triviliazing sex life in the context of defining marriage is absurd, because societal norms are rooted in these so-said biological constructs. Marriage never would have happened if it weren't for sex.

Societal norms do change.

Do I have to bring up things like interracial marriage?

People (and animals) have had gay sex for a very long time. It even gets mentioned in the bible. There are many important roles played by sex that have nothing to do with makin' babies

 

[Hoofbite]

These threads are hilarious.

The part where people act like someone is forcing them to read something is great. Since when did a decision to read an article constitute something be shoved in the reader's face?

Also the part where people don't want to hear anything that includes the word "gay" because that would be shoving it in their face...........unless of course it pertains to denigrating those who are, then we're all good.

If people were as focused on improving upon their flaws as they are in pointing out the perceived flaws of others the world would be a much better place.

 

[Tabascocat]

This thread will be closed in...3....2.....1

 

[khiladi]

Because he is talking about it rather than hiding from the press.

I think you fail to understand how important it is for young gay athletes to see someone like themselves. Even if the dude is flawed.

Hiding from the press about what? His gay lifestyle that everybody knows about, or hiding from the press for being a domestic abuser. Oh yeah, that's right. The media isn't projecting that fact in the context of another active athlete potentially coming out.

 

[ShiningStar]

I'd hardly say this is shoving it in anyone's face.......no pun intended

actually it has been since the media has been all over it and he wants everyone to know hes gay. he just has to come out and announce it.

Well right here on Cowboyszone i am coming out, im straight. There i am so brave. and i feel everyone is interested in my sexual orientation that i have to come out and tell them so they know. Now whos going to talk about me when im pretty sure they arent talking about me or caring to begin with. And im going to allow them to have their opinions.

 

[jnday]

The whole idea that it should be "private" is preposterous. The more people in the public eye that come out and are proud of who they are, the better it is for anyone struggling with this.

You can hold hands with a woman and no one would blink and eye. Of course, you are clearly calling attention to your heterosexuality by doing so. In many places in this country, two dudes could not act in that manner. Why do certain people have the right to do things in public but others do not?

I don't hold my wife's hand in public. It is not the place to show affection. What part of the country are gays not allowed to hold hands? I don't agree with gay behaviour in public and I don't want to see heterosexuals making out either. Have you heard the expression "get a room" ? There is nothing brave or noble about people in the public eye making their sex life public. This victim crap gets old.

 

[khiladi]

Societal norms do change.

Do I have to bring up things like interracial marriage?

People (and animals) have had gay sex for a very long time. It even gets mentioned in the bible. There are many important roles played by sex that have nothing to do with makin' babies

So what? People have been having sex with animals for a very long time. Of course societal norms change. That does not mean societal norms change for the better or that because a person or people practice something in the past, it suddenly becomes good. Caligula fell in love with her horse, if I remember correctly.

What your claiming is that NIBGoldenChild, even if he did, is somehow wrong for defining marriage in the context of sex, as if marriage is something more. But that type of reasoning downplays the significant factor that sex plays in marriage. Marriage would have never happened if it were not for sex and reproduction. Reproduction is the defining feature, per biologists, of life. That is how the gene is perpetuated. There would be no marriage if their was no sex and reproduction.

Just as an aside, those same animals that have sex, also procreate with female species.

 

[ShiningStar]

Big difference between something coming out in court documents and someone speaking openly about it. He's putting himself in the public eye as a gay former NFL player INTENTIONALLY. Like I noted before, he could simply avoid the attention.

no he couldnt.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

actually it has been since the media has been all over it and he wants everyone to know hes gay. he just has to come out and announce it.

Honestly, I heard about it like once when the incident happened and kinda forgot till now. Not sure where you get your news from, but I don't think anybody is all over the story.

 

[ShiningStar]

The 1950s are calling.

They want your opinions back.

in other words, "HOW DARE YOU HAVE AN OPINION THAT DOESNT AGREE WITH ME THEREFORE I SHALL MOCK YOU"


yea, you are open minded.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

no he couldnt.

yes he could, people would've eventually forgot, just like a good portion of people likely don't remember the Kordell Stewart or Michael Westbrook rumors either.

 

[ShiningStar]

yes he could, people would've eventually forgot, just like a good portion of people likely don't remember the Kordell Stewart or Michael Westbrook rumors either.

than why do it in the first place?

 

[Manwiththeplan]

than why do it in the first place?

maybe he was aksed, and felt like he shouldn't have to hide who he is?

if that expination doesn't make sense to you, maybe reading the article will clear up some questions.

 

[ShiningStar]

maybe he was aksed, and felt like he shouldn't have to hide who he is?

if that expination doesn't make sense to you, maybe reading the article will clear up some questions.

the media made a big deal about this and he went along, if he didnt really want attention it would have NEVEr come up, but it did so at some point he wanted attention.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

the media made a big deal about this and he went along, if he didnt really want attention it would have NEVEr come up, but it did so at some point he wanted attention.

right, because the world is full of accepting individuals who won't judge him or want him to keep anything like that to himself.

And I really don't see how the media made a big deal about this. They will now that he's come out, similar to the basketball player Jon Amechi, but from when the incident first happened to now, where was the big deal?

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

The 1950s are calling.

They want your opinions back.

Ehhh maybe but we all should be able to have a private life.... on the down low or not.

 

[ShiningStar]

right, because the world is full of accepting individuals who won't judge him or want him to keep anything like that to himself.

And I really don't see how the media made a big deal about this. They will now that he's come out, similar to the basketball player Jon Amechi, but from when the incident first happened to now, where was the big deal?

talk about not knowing, the media was all over this with a few stories on how "a nfl player will come out in a few days"

So yes THEY as well as Harris made a big deal of this.