Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

[ABQCOWBOY]

THe problem is you're looking only at one single sport and saying the money brought in is greater than the money that goes out.

Do you have any idea how many college sports and programs would have to be eliminated if football and (Men's) basketball became zero-sum games?

Pretty much all of them Rogah.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

THe problem is you're looking only at one single sport and saying the money brought in is greater than the money that goes out.

Do you have any idea how many college sports and programs would have to be eliminated if football and (Men's) basketball became zero-sum games?

I am not a communist so I have no issue with this.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The NCAA is an association and does not have the authority to shut down all schools sports programs. I am sure that there will be some schools that do so but most major conference schools have way too much invested. You can make claims about how the are 'places of learning' but that get drowned out when I drive by Royal Stadium and Kyle Field.

Even if the NCAA did have the ability to do what you claim, the NLRB has the authority to get injunctions and it would be stopped. What you are claiming they would do is not a new tactic. Quite the contrary, its exactly what firms would do in the 19th century that didn't work.

This has nothing to do with the NCAA. It's not their call. It's the Conferences outside of the Power 6 and the individual Universities themselves.

 

[Doomsday101]

The NCAA is an association and does not have the authority to shut down all schools sports programs. I am sure that there will be some schools that do so but most major conference schools have way too much invested. You can make claims about how the are 'places of learning' but that get drowned out when I drive by Royal Stadium and Kyle Field.

Even if the NCAA did have the ability to do what you claim, the NLRB has the authority to get injunctions and it would be stopped. What you are claiming they would do is not a new tactic. Quite the contrary, its exactly what firms would do in the 19th century that didn't work.

Courts can't force a university to continue any sports program. This ruling also only applies to kids who have scholarship meaning walks on are not part of it. School could choose not to hand out any scholarships for athletics.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This has nothing to do with the NCAA. It's not their call. It's the Conferences outside of the Power 6 and the individual Universities themselves.

The Conferences do not have that authority either. The SEC cannot compel A&M to cancel their program any more than the Sun Belt can force Texas State.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Courts can't force a university to continue any sports program. This ruling also only applies to kids who have scholarship meaning walks on are not part of it. School could choose not to hand out any scholarships for athletics.

They will choose this but more then that, it takes considerable amounts of money to support Athletic Programs. The Power 6 are all for this because they do not wish to support other NCAA programs. They want to close ranks and simply split the entire pie among themselves. They will be all for this because it means more money for them. Everybody else, SOL.

All of these sports programs are going away. Sucks but there it is.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Courts can't force a university to continue any sports program. This ruling also only applies to kids who have scholarship meaning walks on are not part of it. School could choose not to hand out any scholarships for athletics.

If you think that the NLRB cannot get a cease and desist order regarding an issue arising out of a labor dispute then I do not know what to tell you.

This is also just the tip of the iceberg considering the O'Bannon lawsuit coming down the pipe.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The Conferences do not have that authority either. The SEC cannot compel A&M to cancel their program any more than the Sun Belt can force Texas State.

You are missing the point, and yes, the Conferences will have a say in it because they regulate costs associated with Sports Programs for all Universities in any given conference. The Universities are going to decide this for themselves. I don't understand the disconnect here.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

They will choose this but more then that, it takes considerable amounts of money to support Athletic Programs. The Power 6 are all for this because they do not wish to support other NCAA programs. They want to close ranks and simply split the entire pie among themselves. They will be all for this because it means more money for them. Everybody else, SOL.

All of these sports programs are going away. Sucks but there it is.

You cannot speak for 100s of universities. A resolution that does not entail blowing everything up are possible and all you are doing is regurgitating the brinksmanship line. I will grant it as a possibility but far from a certainty.

 

[Doomsday101]

If you think that the NLRB cannot get a cease and desist order regarding an issue arising out of a labor dispute then I do not know what to tell you.

This is also just the tip of the iceberg considering the O'Bannon lawsuit coming down the pipe.

so regardless if a college want to continue a football program or badmitting program they have no choice because the NLRB? I guess they are communist, since the schools and they are schools have no choice.

Sorry these kids are killing the golden goose, that education matters and that is what the school offers. 99 percent will never play at the next level so where is the benifet it is the education. I guess you don't get that.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

If you think that the NLRB cannot get a cease and desist order regarding an issue arising out of a labor dispute then I do not know what to tell you.

This is also just the tip of the iceberg considering the O'Bannon lawsuit coming down the pipe.

You think a cease and desist order will prevent Colleges to get out of the business of losing money? What are you thinking?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You are missing the point, and yes, the Conferences will have a say in it because they regulate costs associated with Sports Programs for all Universities in any given conference. The Universities are going to decide this for themselves. I don't understand the disconnect here.

I didn't say they conferences did not have influence. I am saying they don't get to make the calls you are claiming will be made.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You cannot speak for 100s of universities. A resolution that does not entail blowing everything up are possible and all you are doing is regurgitating the brinksmanship line. I will grant it as a possibility but far from a certainty.

Oh, but apparently you can? Think what you want but this is going to kill sports programs outside of the Power Conferences.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I didn't say they conferences did not have influence. I am saying they don't get to make the calls you are claiming will be made.

You don't get it. It will work the other way. The Schools will kill the programs because they will no longer make money from them and they will only suck up a major amount of revenue. They will then inform the Conferences and the Conferences will then meet with other schools in the Conferences and eventually, they will come to the conclusion that they can't survive. That's when the NCAA will be informed. This will not be the NCAA driving anything. How do you not get this?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You think a cease and desist order will prevent Colleges to get out of the business of losing money? What are you thinking?

This is fearmongering. You are talking out of your butt as you are not privy to the accounting and this notion that colleges cannot pay their players a fair wage and still make money is laughable. You act as if college athletics even including all the lesser sports is teetering on the brink of insolvency. It's absurd.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I am advocating a free market without collusion. I don't see what the problem is. I have a hard time giving credence to the notion that applying free market principles to this particular market won't work.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

This is fearmongering. You are talking out of your butt as you are not privy to the accounting and this notion that colleges cannot pay their players a fair wage and still make money is laughable. You act as if college athletics even including all the lesser sports is teetering on the brink of insolvency. It's absurd.

LOL..... Yep, that's what's up alright. LOL.......... Yep.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I am advocating a free market without collusion. I don't see what the problem is. I have a hard time giving credence to the notion that applying free market principles to this particular market won't work.

In a free market, if the market doesn't make money, then it gets dissolved and you look towards other potential revenue markets. That's how the Free Market Works. That's also why College Athletics have never been based around Free Market Principles.

I'm good with your lack of credence here.

 

[burmafrd]

despite what Fuzzy thinks, the schools could shut down the programs and there is nothing the NLRB can do about that. Just like if a company decides to close a plant, outside of severance pay that is the end of it.

The real interesting part and of course Fuzzy misses it, is that Northwestern is a private university. Public schools are a whole other matter.

 

[Rogah]

I am not a communist so I have no issue with this.

That makes no sense.