Lakers Thread

RS12;4820782 said:
Old legs, brutal bench, in over his head coach. other than that they are great.
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Here is my question if they continue to struggle close to the trade deadline do the Lakers try to trade Gasol to get some bench depth.

The other option is to move one of the starters to a bench role so they have someone that can come off the bench for a spark.

Will be interesting to see how this plays out.
 
Their problem isn't Nash being hurt though.

Kobe's 70% maybe. Dwight's maybe 70%. Also, their bench isn't brutal, but it's certainly not used to playing together yet.

Clearly they look to be a team with a lot of talent that's in a transition phase. Once they get healthy, and get it going, they're going to be extremely difficult to beat because not only do they have the Post-Swing-Point trio locked in, they add another strong post presence in Dwight Howard.

However, he's got to pull down more than 8 boards in a game against questionable post talent (Clippers) in order to be effective.
 
casmith07;4820848 said:
Their problem isn't Nash being hurt though.

Kobe's 70% maybe. Dwight's maybe 70%. Also, their bench isn't brutal, but it's certainly not used to playing together yet.

Clearly they look to be a team with a lot of talent that's in a transition phase. Once they get healthy, and get it going, they're going to be extremely difficult to beat because not only do they have the Post-Swing-Point trio locked in, they add another strong post presence in Dwight Howard.

However, he's got to pull down more than 8 boards in a game against questionable post talent (Clippers) in order to be effective.
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problem is, they dont have the depth to rest their guys to get healthy and win games, its a catch 22
 
casmith07;4820848 said:
Their problem isn't Nash being hurt though.

Kobe's 70% maybe. Dwight's maybe 70%. Also, their bench isn't brutal, but it's certainly not used to playing together yet.

Clearly they look to be a team with a lot of talent that's in a transition phase. Once they get healthy, and get it going, they're going to be extremely difficult to beat because not only do they have the Post-Swing-Point trio locked in, they add another strong post presence in Dwight Howard.

However, he's got to pull down more than 8 boards in a game against questionable post talent (Clippers) in order to be effective.
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this is spoken like a laker fan with zero perspective.

the team has the wrong offense in place, zero chemistry, a number of aging guys with nagging injuries, and zero depth of consequence.

you dont win by collecting names in the nba. even when the celts and heat built star-studded groups they relied on a younger star than the lakers have and didn't win a title the first year. they needed key contributors that werent all-stars to make those teams go.

feel free to keep up the high hopes and suffer through a miserable season though.

i am merely trying to tell you as someone who coaches and watches tons of basketball the realistic issues they will face. the biggest is defensive issues guarding anyone under 6'6". they will get torched by quality guards all year long. the lakers lack of speed and quickness is readily apparent every game. ((this is also why barea and deshawn stevenson played so much for the mavs in their playoff run--you need some speed and quickness))

i love steve nash. he has been tremendous to watch and he is a guy who has maxed out his abilities and performance. but anyone thinking 38 year old steve nash is an elite point guard is not watching basketball nightly and instead playing nba2k10 or some nonsense. the suns fell apart largely as he aged. his dip isn't brand new. the price he was paid is insane.
 
The Lakers will get things figured out and will play some good basketball. The problem is that the more games you lose now, they more you have to make up later. Lose too many and you end up not having home court advantage during the critical portion of the playoffs. Home court matters.
 
joseephuss;4821508 said:
The Lakers will get things figured out and will play some good basketball. The problem is that the more games you lose now, they more you have to make up later. Lose too many and you end up not having home court advantage during the critical portion of the playoffs. Home court matters.
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home court doesnt matter to veteran teams, but health does. the lakers have 2 really old guys that will be dealing with injuries all year and a guy coming off major back surgery. Health is the most likely thing to derail this lakers team and id bet on it happening.
 
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Lakers finally got their first win of the season. :D

Even though it's clearly still a work in progress it was good to see them put up a good performance albeit against a subpar team in Detroit.

The Lakers next two games are at Utah and at Golden State so they should get back to 500 by the end of the week.
 
jterrell;4821421 said:
this is spoken like a laker fan with zero perspective.

the team has the wrong offense in place, zero chemistry, a number of aging guys with nagging injuries, and zero depth of consequence.

you dont win by collecting names in the nba. even when the celts and heat built star-studded groups they relied on a younger star than the lakers have and didn't win a title the first year. they needed key contributors that werent all-stars to make those teams go.

feel free to keep up the high hopes and suffer through a miserable season though.

i am merely trying to tell you as someone who coaches and watches tons of basketball the realistic issues they will face. the biggest is defensive issues guarding anyone under 6'6". they will get torched by quality guards all year long. the lakers lack of speed and quickness is readily apparent every game. ((this is also why barea and deshawn stevenson played so much for the mavs in their playoff run--you need some speed and quickness))

i love steve nash. he has been tremendous to watch and he is a guy who has maxed out his abilities and performance. but anyone thinking 38 year old steve nash is an elite point guard is not watching basketball nightly and instead playing nba2k10 or some nonsense. the suns fell apart largely as he aged. his dip isn't brand new. the price he was paid is insane.
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Yes! They are running the wrong offense. To me the offense works with guys who can all shoot the ball if given the open shot. Sacramento used the same type of offense and it worked for them because they were fast tempo, big men could pass, and anyone from the point to the center can shoot outside jumpers without hesitation imo. Washington worked because they had scorers in Arenas, Hughes, Butler, and Jamison. The Lakers are not that team. Their offense is about pick and roll, post up, and isolation.
 
jterrell;4821421 said:
this is spoken like a laker fan with zero perspective.
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Stopped reading right there.

Ask the good people of this forum if I'm a Lakers fan.
 
casmith07;4826418 said:
Stopped reading right there.

Ask the good people of this forum if I'm a Lakers fan.
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Cas may be a lot of things but a Laker fan is not among those.

;)
 
Not surprising the Lakers lost in Utah. They haven't had alot of success there over the years. I'm not gonna panic or anything because I kind of expected this slow start. The one thing I'm concerned about is the lack of support that Kobe and Dwight are getting. They both combined for 48 points, the rest of the team though only scored 38. That's not gonna get it done. You can't just rely on two players to win games. Howard also needs more touches. He can't be guarded straight up one and one. Teams have to double which will lead to open shots. That's why he needs to be getting the basketball alot more than he has been.

Nash being out obviously has hurt the team because it weakens the bench even more. I said it a few weeks ago, but now that Delonte West is a free agent I really think we should sign him. He'd instantly improve the defense. West is just a good all around player. Decent ball handler, scorer, playmaker, and defender. That's the biggest thing wrong with the second unit. Just no one who can make plays for others. Jamison has been a disappointment, but he's being used wrong. He needs to be given the ball in his sweet spots. Right now he's being used as a spot up shooter and he's just not that. He's a scorer.

Overall though like I said we're just in the second week of the NBA season. It's way too early to hit the panic button. I've said it before, but the Lakers just need some time to gel and develop some chemistry. Nash should be back soon so that'll help things. I don't Mike Brown should be fired either. I'm just not a fan of firing a head coach this early in the season. If the Lakers continue to struggle as the season goes on than maybe you consider firing him, but not right now. Biggest problem is there isn't really an adequate replacement for Brown.
 
Cowboys&LakersFan;4830897 said:
The one thing I'm concerned about is the lack of support that Kobe and Dwight are getting. They both combined for 48 points, the rest of the team though only scored 38. That's not gonna get it done. You can't just rely on two players to win games..
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Get ready for alot more of this..

The Lakeres have no depth, no bench. The starters are going to have to win games by themselves. If they can't, its gonna be a long season in LA.
 
I asked this before, but everyone just laughed at me thinking I was kidding, so ill ask again in all seriousness; is the pick the lakers traded away for Nash lottery protected?
 
i'll just leave this here:


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