Landry and Jimmy would have cut TO!!

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Doomsday101;1152336 said:
Well thus far we hear about coming late, falling asleep, jumping the WR coach and dropping passes. I don't think that is what Jerry paid for and not what should be expected. Haley made a differance I'm waiting on TO to make the differance. 2 critical situation both times failed. If your going to holler and make of fool of yourself wanting the ball then damn it catch the thing until then he needs to shut his mouth and do what is asked of him. As for what Jimmy would do he has been saying TO is a distraction said last week as well so don't tell me what Jimmy would do in the case of TO or not Jimmy already stated his opinion. I know it does not count because FOX made him say that right?

Be realistic, Jimmy is talking from the perspective of an outsider observer and paid analyst looking in and not from the perspective of a coach that has to figure out the best way to deal with the problem.

Jimmy had lots of distractions when he coached - his ACTIONS (as opposed to his broadcast commentary) prove that he wouldn't have cut TO.

Like I said before, Jimmy may never have allowed TO to join the team to begin with, but once he was on the team he wouldn't just throw away $25 million and one of the more talented receivers in the NFL unless things got a lot worse than they have been so far.
 

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Here we go with excuses. I'm sick of excuses TO is here to do a job and again Jimmy said it so you can sit there and say what Jimmy would do but the simple fact is Jimmy Johnson himself has been saying TO is a distraction so take it up with Jimmy after all that is what he is saying.

Let me add the WR coach was not fined Jerry Jones said he does not know where that report came from but that did not happen!

Yes, he was fined. ESPN reported that he was fined. And than ESPN conveniently forgot the story they originally reported regarding TO, because that would restore TO's credibility. They didn't even back-track when they posted the head-lines claiming TO tried to commit suicide. That shows how much they want to jump on TO. Did Philadelphia mind the 'cancer' that was TO, when they plotted to get him from the Ravens? Talk about playing fair. That organization is as class-less as they come.

I don't have to take it up with Jimmy, because this thread claims that Jimmy would have cut TO in an instant. I'm saying, based upon past evidence of Jimmy, this is BS, and Jimmy is just playing the media tune. He gets paid millions for a few months of work for a couple hours a day to play the same tune as people like Howie Long. The rest of his time, he's soaking up the sun on his yacht while he cruised the Miami shores.
 

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Stautner;1152351 said:
Be realistic, Jimmy is talking from the perspective of an outsider opbwerver looking in and not from the perspective of a coach that has to figure out the best way to deal with the problem.

Jimmy had lots of distractions - his ACTIONS (as opposed to his broadcast commentary) prove that he wouldn't have cut TO.

Like I said before, Jimmy may never have allowed TO to join the team to begin with, but once he was on the team he wouldn't just throw away $25 million and one of the more talented receivers in the NFL unless things got a lot worse than they have been so far.

I am being realistic, I'm not pretending to be a mind reader I know what Johnson said and to say well he did this with Irvin or Haley well not every player or situation is the same. To say well this guy was a problem player and all problem players are exactly the same is non-sense. As for cutting TO I have not said nor do I think any coach would jump up and do it based on what has taken place thus far but Dallas is only committed to what is basicly 3 1 year deals with bonuses attacked to each year so unless things change I would not bet the house TO will be back. My hope is he will start making a big differance after all that is why he is here not because of his great personality
 

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I am being realistic, I'm not pretending to be a mind reader I know what Johnson said and to say well he did this with Irvin or Haley well not every player or situation is the same.

One more time for you... Haley was a CANCER with the 49ers... There is no way you can get around it.

Dallas, at the time of Jimmy, needed a pass rusher to put their defense over the edge. He did not care that Haley was a cancer for the 49ers.

If Jimmy needed a wide receiver to put him over the edge, and TO was available, Jimmy would have done it in a HEART BEAT.

and I am saying in a heart-beat... further, the reason TO got so much attention, as opposed to San Francisco with Haley, is because Philly was the favorite to win the Super Bowl that year, and the team just died. On the other hand, SF was NOT... the Commanders won prior, and the Giants before that... SF was definitely a contender, but that is about it... ALL EYES when TO came to Philly were on PHILLY....
 

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khiladi;1152353 said:
Yes, he was fined. ESPN reported that he was fined. And than ESPN conveniently forgot the story they originally reported regarding TO, because that would restore TO's credibility. They didn't even back-track when they posted the head-lines claiming TO tried to commit suicide. That shows how much they want to jump on TO. Did Philadelphia mind the 'cancer' that was TO, when they plotted to get him from the Ravens? Talk about playing fair. That organization is as class-less as they come.

I don't have to take it up with Jimmy, because this thread claims that Jimmy would have cut TO in an instant. I'm saying, based upon past evidence of Jimmy, this is BS, and Jimmy is just playing the media tune. He gets paid millions for a few months of work for a couple hours a day to play the same tune as people like Howie Long. The rest of his time, he's soaking up the sun on his yacht while he cruised the Miami shores.

Gotcha Jimmy is just making stuff up but does not really mean it but then you being a mind reader and personal friend of Jimmy know exactly what he would do? Jimmy Johnson had forged a long relationship with Irvin and if you recall Mike was not getting into trouble when Jimmy was here. Jimmy also had no problems with Haley and did sit Haley down before he was signed and told Haley what he expected from him. To sit there an act like saying every problem player is the same is again non-sense what makes issues with TO may not be exactly the same as others.
 

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And, around and around and around we go...where it stops nobody knows?

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khiladi;1152364 said:
One more time for you... Haley was a CANCER with the 49ers... There is no way you can get around it.

Dallas, at the time of Jimmy, needed a pass rusher to put their defense over the edge. He did not care that Haley was a cancer for the 49ers.

If Jimmy needed a wide receiver to put him over the edge, and TO was available, Jimmy would have done it in a HEART BEAT.

and I am saying in a heart-beat... further, the reason TO got so much attention, as opposed to San Francisco with Haley, is because Philly was the favorite to win the Super Bowl that year, and the team just died. On the other hand, SF was NOT... the Commanders won prior, and the Giants before that... SF was definitely a contender, but that is about it... ALL EYES when TO came to Philly were on PHILLY....

So Haley and TO are the exact same person with all the same exact traits? is that what your telling me? Haley got his 2nd chance and came to Dallas and made a differance and was not creating problems for the team. TO he is getting now his 3rd chance and has not shown much in terms of being the big time playmaker that was expected
 

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5Stars;1152372 said:
And, around and around and around we go...where it stops nobody knows?

:lmao:

Sorry I refuse to make excuses for idiot players.
 

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Doomsday101;1152361 said:
I am being realistic, I'm not pretending to be a mind reader I know what Johnson said and to say well he did this with Irvin or Haley well not every player or situation is the same. To say well this guy was a problem player and all problem players are exactly the same is non-sense. As for cutting TO I have not said nor do I think any coach would jump up and do it based on what has taken place thus far but Dallas is only committed to what is basicly 3 1 year deals with bonuses attacked to each year so unless things change I would not bet the house TO will be back. My hope is he will start making a big differance after all that is why he is here not because of his great personality

No, every player or situation is not the same, just as speaking as a telivision broadcast analyst isn't the same as speaking as a coach charged with dealing with the issue.

If we are talking long term, perhaps Jimmy would let TO go after a year or two, or perhaps Jimmy would find a way to deal with TO and get him to toe the line a little more. Who knows, but to suggest Jimmy WOULD get rid of TO based on the comments of a television analyst is grasping a little.

Nevertheless, you and I do agree that TO's offenses up to this point wouldn't get him cut.
 

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Doomsday101;1152374 said:
Sorry I refuse to make excuses for idiot players.


Hey, carry on...I understand your argument...! (jerks that chain)...

:lmao:
 

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Stautner;1152377 said:
No, every player or situation is not the same, just as speaking as a telivision broadcast analyst isn't the same as speaking as a coach.

If we are talking long term, perhaps Jimmy would let TO go after a year or two, or perhaps Jimmy would have found a way to deal with TO and get him to toe the line a little more. Who knows, but to suggest Jimmy WOULD get rid of TO based on the comments of a television analyst is grasping a little.

Nevertheless, you and I do agree that TO's offenses up to this point wouldn't get him cut.

True but no coach has yet to make TO toe the line. SF coaches could not do it, Philly coaches could not do it and I'm not sure it will be done here. You give a person a chance but that person has to meet you half way he has to be willing to make some changes not give me excuses of well just ask someone else about my sleeping habit? come on you got some type of sleeping problem then go see a doctor but don't sit there handing out excuses.
 

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Doomsday101;1152394 said:
True but no coach has yet to make TO toe the line. SF coaches could not do it, Philly coaches could not do it and I'm not sure it will be done here. You give a person a chance but that person has to meet you half way he has to be willing to make some changes not give me excuses of well just ask someone else about my sleeping habit? come on you got some type of sleeping problem then go see a doctor but don't sit there handing out excuses.

I can't argue with any of this.
 

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WV Cowboy;1151591 said:
Exactly, to show how ridiculous all of this anti-Owens talk is, .. when many who talk about Owens were OK with Irvin.

I am trying to understand that.

How can what Owens has done be wrong, but what Irvin did OK, when Irvins' actions were criminal.

I am trying to show that the posters that don't like Owens now didn't like him before he got here, sort of to prove that he hasn't done anything since he got here to merit such disdain.

Many people didn't like him before we signed him, which is fine, but those are the ones that are jumping on everything he says or does and find fault.

I am pretty much worn out from trying to get that across, but that is what I have tried to do.
I don't care what players do in their private lives. Yes Irvin's transgressions had an effect on the team; for the first 5 (or was it 6?) games of the 1996 season. Other than that, Irvin never had anything but a positive effect on the team for which he played. T.O., on the other hand, has had to varying degrees, a destructive influence on every team for which he played.
 

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Other than that, Irvin never had anything but a positive effect on the team for which he played. T.O., on the other hand, has had to varying degrees, a destructive influence on every team for which he played.

He stabbed our starting center with scissors.
 
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