Landry and Jimmy would have cut TO!!

[jazzcat22]

Oh Please!! If you think TO is any worse than some of the other players that played in the "glory days".. you are either blind or just not old enough to remember! Hollywood Henderson, Mike Irvin, Butch Johnson, Dion Sanders.. the cowboys have always had players that were less than perfect citizens. And it was happening before Jerry even thought about buying this team. Give it a rest...

Charles Haley and Tony Casillas had bad reps also.

 

[Doomsday101]

Believe what you want to believe but I'm not blind and have watched TO over the years I have seen his melt downs on the sideline I have seen the coaches shaking their head in amazesment over TO action and best of all I have heard TO says stupid things to the media and slam teammates.

Like I said you and I eat from the same BS trough the media feeds us. Because Your statement says I see therefore I believe....EVER HEARD of EDIT. Mind Freak really can levitate because I saw it on TV..

You may not think that is a big deal but I do. You sit there talking about other players well those players are not on this team and I don't care how they act that is a problem for their team and has no bearing at all about for the Cowboys

All you just said was TO has blasted his teammates here in Dallas because you don't care about other teams. I have yet to see him blast a Cowboy player or vice verse, what you did was use your past info on TO on other teams and pasted that onto the Cowboy player...Yet you don't care about other teams then why care what TO has done elsewhere....

And again ESPN does not make TO do anything he does it himself so regardless if they report it or not does not change a damn thing

If you don't believe me believe the coach of the Dallas Cowboys who told Ed Werder, " You guys are the perpetrators of all the distractions"...Again someone who is there day in day out and knows...not someone who sees and writes in blogs.

report it or not does not change a damn thing.

Like I said before you had your mind made up and TO never stood a chance...

WOW how can someone manipulate your words...edit and make you sound different:laugh2:

Yeah right it was all a bunch of sound bite which is why despite his skill SF and Philly parted ways. You want to blame the media be my guest but I really don't think NFL teams buy into sound bites they make their choices based on reality of what is going on.

 

[Doomsday101]

I guess one day all the media outlets, former players who cover the NFL just all got together and drew TO's name out of a bag and just made up a bunch of stuff. Just the luck of the draw, I'm sorry TO your it.

 

[Stautner]

It is not about being a choir boy, I don't think Jimmy or any other decent HC would put up with a player telling his coaches you don't talk to me unless I talk to you 1st. I know Jimmy would put up with a lot but Jimmy or no other coach will allow a player to undermine their authority on a team and while Jimmy did give more leeway to guys like Irvin and Haley neither guy challenged Jimmy’s authority or how things were going to be done.

To my knowledge TO hasn't told Parcells not to talk to him unless he talks to him first, and considering TO and Haley were hugging on the sidelines during the next game I have to suspect the media overblew their incident.

I completely agree that IF TO were to act that way toward Jimmy it wouldn't be tolerated, but a couple of dropped passes and one end zone antic aren't quite the same thing.

 

[braw]

Yeah right it was all a bunch of sound bite which is why despite his skill SF and Philly parted ways. You want to blame the media be my guest but I really don't think NFL teams buy into sound bites they make their choices based on reality of what is going on.

All kidding aside Dooms. All I'm saying is that we win as a team, we lose as a team. The offense scores alot of points. The defense has given up easy points and the mental lapses in critical times are killing this team.

Cowboys and Colts both have 25 tds scored on offense only the Chargers are better (LT). Yet we are 4-4 and Colts 8-0. Colts D is suspect. Both Defenses(Colts and Cowboys) have the same takeaways(16) but the offenses giveways are so different Cowboys(15) the Colts (6)...Penalties Cowboys (60).. Colts (44)

Colts D has given up (173) points... Cowboys(164) points

Of the Penalties(60) TO has 5-55 yds..1-15 yds for celebrating, 1-10yds for holding, 1-15 yds for illegal crackback and 1-5 yds for illegal formation 1-10 PI.
On offense the TEs(Witten and Fasano) have 11-90 yds.Witten 7-40 yds, Fasano 4-50.... The Oline 14-115 yds..... Gurode 3-35yds, Koiser 2-25yds,Rivera 2-15 yds, Adams 3-15yds, Columbo 4-25 yds.

Turnovers giveaways (15)... Bledsoe (10).. Romo (4)... Mcbrair(1)... TO no giveaways... Bledsoe has 10 thats why he is not starting.

The reason I only put the sins of the offense is because all our losses were at the hands of the offense...Jacksonville game had the ball at the end to tie and offense missed tds and field goals.

Philly...Giveaways by bledsoe and Mcbriar and had the ball at the 6 yd line to tie....int for td

Giants we have only 1 penalty on offense but 4 ints..Bledsoe1 and Romo 3

Washington...11-153 6-50yds on offense...No Giveaways except a easy blocked fieldgoal.

On a positive note Barber is playing to good to only get 7 touches.....

 

[kartr]

Coach Landry would have fired TO today !! Jimmy would not have even let TO
on the team plane.

Jimmy would have built a better team than this to begin with. He wouldn't have had 8 tight ends and 50 line backers on the teams. The team would have been stocked with playmakers(see Ware's 4 sacks and Newman's 1 int) after 8 games. There are 4th round players in the league with better stats. Bledsoe and Romo would have been third stringers on this team, if on it at all.

 

[superpunk]

Jimmy would have built a better team than this to begin with. He wouldn't have had 8 tight ends and 50 line backers on the teams. The team would have been stocked with playmakers(see Ware's 4 sacks and Newman's 1 int) after 8 games. There are 4th round players in the league with better stats. Bledsoe and Romo would have been third stringers on this team, if on it at all.

<<<<<< You.

 

[Doomsday101]

To my knowledge TO hasn't told Parcells not to talk to him unless he talks to him first, and considering TO and Haley were hugging on the sidelines during the next game I have to suspect the media overblew their incident.

I completely agree that IF TO were to act that way toward Jimmy it wouldn't be tolerated, but a couple of dropped passes and one end zone antic aren't quite the same thing.

I agree and have said at this point I would not cut TO or release him based on things he has done in Dallas or the drop balls. I do expect commitment from these players. No doubt I tend to be hardnosed when it comes to the game of football it was just the way I was taught to play the game and the era I grew up in. I tend to get tired of people acceptance of bad behavior and some how justifying it. I understand players are different today but it is because it has been allowed and tolerated. For the money they are getting paid in my opinion you do what you’re told when you’re told but then that is just me.

 

[Stautner]

I agree and have said at this point I would not cut TO or release him based on things he has done in Dallas or the drop balls. I do expect commitment from these players. No doubt I tend to be hardnosed when it comes to the game of football it was just the way I was taught to play the game and the era I grew up in. I tend to get tired of people acceptance of bad behavior and some how justifying it. I understand players are different today but it is because it has been allowed and tolerated. For the money they are getting paid in my opinion you do what you&#8217;re told when you&#8217;re told but then that is just me.

I agree completely - I grew up playing football and other sports and was taught the same kind of respect for coaches and teammates you were.

I have a son and have coached various youth sports for a number of years, and I can tell you it isn't just a problem at the pro level.

First, kids grow up with so many more diversions these days. Sports and physical activity were the primary source of intertainment for my generation - we didn't have cable TV, video games, chain/theme restaraunts and kid oriented buisnesses, huge malls, computers ....... as a whole kids today don't develop the same love and respect for games - they aren't as much of a focus.

Second, kids aren't taught the same kind of respect at home. Some has to do with there being fewer 2 parent families these days, or step-parents being in the picture, but in general kids are allowed to set their own terms too often. As much as I don't like feeling old when a kid calls me "Mr.", I still expect it. I teach my kids to show that kind of respect, but not all parents do.

Third, kids EXPECT things - like an equal share of playing time in youth sports or in any other activity. By expecting things I don't mean they know they can earn it, I mean they expect it to be given to them. They think that all they have to do is show up and they should be allowed to do whatever they want, play whatever position they want, dictate playing time, etc ...... and too many parents encourage that thinking. It's kind of a societal thing - schools are discouraging competition these days as well.

Obviously these things don't apply to all kids, but they do to a dramatically larger portion of kids today.

Here's the kicker. When I was a kid I respected coaches and busted my butt for one simple reason - I knew they could plant my butt on the bench if I didn't show something. That just doesn't seem to motivate kids these days.

 

[joseephuss]

Jimmy would have built a better team than this to begin with. He wouldn't have had 8 tight ends and 50 line backers on the teams. The team would have been stocked with playmakers(see Ware's 4 sacks and Newman's 1 int) after 8 games. There are 4th round players in the league with better stats. Bledsoe and Romo would have been third stringers on this team, if on it at all.

Suddenly Nemwan is the problem? Brilliant.

Jimmy was perfect and never drafted three running backs in a single draft, none of whom were that good and one that had severe character issues. This after not giving Lawrence Phillips another chance.

 

[khiladi]

Let's not forget the locker room cancer that was Charles Haley when he was with the 49ers?

Jimmy seemed to ignore that cancer...

 

[Doomsday101]

Let's not forget the locker room cancer that was Charles Haley when he was with the 49ers?

Jimmy seemed to ignore that cancer...

According to Jimmy he sat down with Haley before we signed him and let Haley know what the deal was and what was expected. These guys were not given free rein of the team to do what they want. No one is saying that a person should never get a second chance

 

[JPM]

Jimmy would have built a better team than this to begin with. He wouldn't have had 8 tight ends and 50 line backers on the teams. The team would have been stocked with playmakers(see Ware's 4 sacks and Newman's 1 int) after 8 games. There are 4th round players in the league with better stats. Bledsoe and Romo would have been third stringers on this team, if on it at all.

And Quincy would have never been drafted or if he was when Jimmy took over he would have been show the door real quick.

But you keep preaching agenda-boy.

 

[5Stars]

Suddenly Nemwan is the problem? Brilliant.

Jimmy was perfect and never drafted three running backs in a single draft, none of whom were that good and one that had severe character issues. This after not giving Lawrence Phillips another chance.

According to kartr, Bledsoe and Romo would have been 2nd or 3rd team players, or not on the team...guess who kartr would say would be #1, baby! # friggen 1...!!

 

[joseephuss]

According to Jimmy he sat down with Haley before we signed him and let Haley know what the deal was and what was expected. These guys were not given free rein of the team to do what they want. No one is saying that a person should never get a second chance

We do know that T.O. has been fined this year for being late to a meeting, so it doesn't look as if he has free reign. I am not saying that was your point. Just throwing it out there.

 

[khiladi]

According to Jimmy he sat down with Haley before we signed him and let Haley know what the deal was and what was expected. These guys were not given free rein of the team to do what they want. No one is saying that a person should never get a second chance

And according to Jerry, TO is aware of the deal and what was to be expected... TO has NOT been a locker room cancer AT ALL... your perception of what TO has done is only from the media... just like the whole incident regarding Philly.. Philly used TO as an excuse for p*ss poor play... people forget that Westbrook wasn't playing the majority of that poor year for the Eagles... but because that would make Donovan McNabb other than the SOLE reason Philly is so damn great, they had to ingle out TO....

Philly seemed to be all quiet when TO said he did not want to play for the Ravens... They supported this 'cancer'... The media supported this 'move'... But when TO criticized the media's token boy Donovan McNabb for playing soft in the Super Bowl, which HE DID, than that is when the real problem started..

Jimmy took on a locker room cancer.. The reason Jimmy got Haley was because they had NO PASS RUSH... That was the ONLY reason he did it...

People can argue all they wan't that Jimmy did not tolerate 'cancers', but he brought the very CANCER that was responsible for our defense because he knew it would make us that much better...

Leon Lett fumbled away the game against Miami, despite KNOWING THE RULES... Did he cut him? No, because cutting a premiere tackle, just like cutting a premiers receiver is stupid... but he cut Cirvin Richards.. Jimmy would have NEVER cut TO...

 

[joseephuss]

According to kartr, Bledsoe and Romo would have been 2nd or 3rd team players, or not on the team...guess who kartr would say would be #1, baby! # friggen 1...!!

Pretty much. Kartr did like Leftwich in that 2003 draft. I did, too, but I had my concerns and I did like Newman better. Right now Newman looks like the better pick. Leftwich has not developed as much as one would hope. He also may have trouble keeping his job after this season. Newman is rock solid.

Jimmy Johnson once said on FOX that he would have drafted Charlie Ward. No team ever called his name, but Jimmy said he would have spent at least a 5th round pick on the Heisman winner.

 

[Doomsday101]

And according to Jerry, TO is aware of the deal and what was to be expected... TO has NOT been a locker room cancer AT ALL... your perception of what TO has done is only from the media...

They both took on locker room cancers.. The reason Jimmy got Haley was because they had NO PASS RUSH... That was the ONLY reason he did it...

People can argue all they wan't that Jimmy did not tolerate 'cancers', but he brought the very CANCER that was responsible for our defense because he knew it would make us that much better...

Leon Lett fumbled away the game against Miami, despite KNOWING THE RULES... Did he cut him? No, because cutting a premiere tackle, just like cutting a premiers receiver is stupid... Jimmy would have NEVER cut TO...

Well thus far we hear about coming late, falling asleep, jumping the WR coach and dropping passes. I don't think that is what Jerry paid for and not what should be expected. Haley made a differance I'm waiting on TO to make the differance. 2 critical situation both times failed. If your going to holler and make of fool of yourself wanting the ball then damn it catch the thing until then he needs to shut his mouth and do what is asked of him. As for what Jimmy would do he has been saying TO is a distraction said last week as well so don't tell me what Jimmy would do in the case of TO or not Jimmy already stated his opinion. I know it does not count because FOX made him say that right?

 

[khiladi]

Well thus far we hear about coming late, falling asleep, jumping the WR coach and dropping passes.

Michael Irvin falls asleep... Michael came late... do you honestly think TO is the only STAR played that has fallen asleep in a meeting or come late? And who was fined in the TO-Wide Receiver Coach incident? Was it TO? Players get into spats with certain staff ALL THE TIME, but they don't leak this information to the media. It isn't that big of a deal. The wide receiver COACH leaked the information. And the wide receiver coach KNEW EXACTLY what he was doing when he breached this news regarding TO... talk about distraction... He took advantage of the fact that the media would jump on it...

This is when TO said, as far as talking with him on a personal level, he is not going to do it, because his trust was violated... BUT WHEN IT COMES TO BUSINESS, he maintains that level of respect for the coach. And what happened the next week... TO went over and hugged the wide receiver coach.. but yeah.. I'm sure it was Jerry Jones forcing the wide receiver's coach to adjust to TO and not the other way around...

I don't think that is what Jerry paid for and not what should be expected. Haley made a differance I'm waiting on TO to make the differance. 2 critical situation both times failed.

Oh, so it's not about attitude now... but PERFORMANCE... as long as TO performs, you don't mind..

If your going to holler and make of fool of yourself wanting the ball then damn it catch the thing until then he needs to shut his mouth and do what is asked of him. As for what Jimmy would do he has been saying TO is a distraction said last week as well so don't tell me what Jimmy would do in the case of TO or not Jimmy already stated his opinion. I know it does not count because FOX made him say that right?

Jimmy was full of BS when he stated that.

 

[Doomsday101]

Michael Irvin falls asleep... Michael came late... do you honestly think TO is the only STAR played that has fallen asleep in a meeting or come late?

And you know who was fined in the TO, Wide Receiver Coach incident? The wide receiver, because he made the whole incident PUBLIC... And the wide receiver coach KNEW EXACTLY what he was doing when he breached this news regarding TO... talk about distraction...

This is when TO said, as far as talking with him, he is not going to do it, because his trust was violated... BUT WHEN IT COMES TO BUSINESS, he maintains that level of respect...

and what happened the next week... he went over and hugged the wide receiver coach..

but yeah.. I'm sure it was Jerry Jones forcing the wide receiver's coach to adjust to TO and not the other way around...




Oh, so it's not about attitude now... but PERFORMANCE... as long as TO performs, you don't mind..


I have seen plenty of dropped balls by Michael Irvin when Jimmy was a coach...

Here we go with excuses. I'm sick of excuses TO is here to do a job and again Jimmy said it so you can sit there and say what Jimmy would do but the simple fact is Jimmy Johnson himself has been saying TO is a distraction so take it up with Jimmy after all that is what he is saying.

Let me add the WR coach was not fined Jerry Jones said he does not know where that report came from but that did not happen! I'm sorry you think players should be running this team but that is not how it is nor how it should be. Lastly TO is not that damn good if he was he would not be blowing clutch plays. playermakers make plays they don't drop them.