Larry Fitz agrees to new 2 year deal-11 million per

[BlindFaith]

Jordy Nelson and that's all I got.

He plays like it, but isn't getting paid like it.

 

[Nightman]

Exactly, tell me again who the big, stud top 3 WR was for the last 4 teams standing in the playoffs?

Percy Harvin was paid like one but I would say he nothing to do with their success....he was still in NJ

 

[Alexander]

That would be a severe gamble. It's not just one year the team can franchise Dez.
He'd be 28 and with a lot of additional wear and tear by the time he was fully a FA. --we are talking about a WR who plays like a RB after the catch.

The team is already offering 13m a year. He probably settles in about 14 and the argument is how much is up front and how much is guaranteed.

Both sides will posture but they are not far apart right now.

They probably are not. I just wonder if the commitment Bryant has shown will continue if he's disgruntled and gets a double tag. I would prefer the long term deal, but if it cannot get done, will he still work and stay out of trouble? Wish it was easier than it is looking like.

 

[BlindFaith]

Take a look at the salaries for all WRs.
http://overthecap.com/position/wide-receiver/

Jordy Nelson is 8th, 9.7 mill per year. The next guy on the list that was on one of the last 4 teams in the playoffs was Danny Amendola at 24th. 5.7 mill per year. Then Doug Baldwin at 34, 4.3 mill per.

 

[fishspill]

I'd guess this means Dez expects 40-45 guaranteed and 14-15 per. If that's not palatable then he'll get tagged and the adventure will begin. I'm for keeping him, but I'd be interested in a refresher from anyone in the know on how you'd trade a tagged guy.

 

[Nightman]

I'd guess this means Dez expects 40-45 guaranteed and 14-15 per. If that's not palatable then he'll get tagged and the adventure will begin. I'm for keeping him, but I'd be interested in a refresher from anyone in the know on how you'd trade a tagged guy.

If you tag him with the Non-exclusive Franchise Tag other teams can negotiate with him. If they offer him a deal and Dallas doesn't match it then they have to give up 2 first round draft picks.

They can also work out other terms like KC and MINN did for Jared Allen in 2008. KC received a 1st and two 3rds for Allen and MINN signed him to a 6/72m deal.

 

[hornitosmonster]

Arizona overpaid for Fitzgerald.

 

[supercowboy8]

It won't do anything to the tag this year but it will bring the top 5 wrs average salary down for 2015. Meaning if Dez wants to be a top 5 WR he now takes less money. Houston has to do some thing with Andre and the lions still have to do something with Johnson. Both are going to have to take a little less. This will push the average for top 5 even lower making Dez to sign long term even lower.

Same goes for Murray. Once the RBs that are paid top 10 RB mo et gets released his salary will start decreasing. Why I say let's wait and see. I woukd franchise dez and transition tag Murray. Once this top money guys at their positions gets released they will be signing for less money. Then we take the tags offer and sign them to new deals.

 

[skinsscalper]

It won't do anything to the tag this year but it will bring the top 5 wrs average salary down for 2015. Meaning if Dez wants to be a top 5 WR he now takes less money. Houston has to do some thing with Andre and the lions still have to do something with Johnson. Both are going to have to take a little less. This will push the average for top 5 even lower making Dez to sign long term even lower.

Same goes for Murray. Once the RBs that are paid top 10 RB mo et gets released his salary will start decreasing. Why I say let's wait and see. I woukd franchise dez and transition tag Murray. Once this top money guys at their positions gets released they will be signing for less money. Then we take the tags offer and sign them to new deals.

You can't use both tags. You have to use one or the other.

 

[Nightman]

It won't do anything to the tag this year but it will bring the top 5 wrs average salary down for 2015. Meaning if Dez wants to be a top 5 WR he now takes less money. Houston has to do some thing with Andre and the lions still have to do something with Johnson. Both are going to have to take a little less. This will push the average for top 5 even lower making Dez to sign long term even lower.

Same goes for Murray. Once the RBs that are paid top 10 RB mo et gets released his salary will start decreasing. Why I say let's wait and see. I woukd franchise dez and transition tag Murray. Once this top money guys at their positions gets released they will be signing for less money. Then we take the tags offer and sign them to new deals.

Actually the exclusive franchise tag uses the top 5 salaries this year on April 23rd or so. Most teams don't use the exclusive tag because it is almost always more expensive and you don't get the 2 first round picks if someone steals them. This year it may be cheaper because of Fitz and possibly Harvin, Wallace or others getting cut or slashed.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Fitz is 31 an on the downswing in his career so this contract will have no impact on negotiations with Dez.

$11 mil was wayyyyyyy too much

 

[Rockport]

$11 mil was wayyyyyyy too much

I think it was in the mode of Kobe's last contract i.e. thank you for past contributions.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I think it was in the mode of Kobe's last contract i.e. thank you for past contributions.

Agreed. I don't mind it.

 

[xwalker]

A 31 year old guy who has clearly slowed down does not "reset" the position.

Harvin clearly hasn't earned his pay.

Garcon has one 1000 yard season. Again, hasn't earned his pay.

Johnson signed his deal in 2010.

Wallace, like Fitz, is 3 years removed from his last 1000 yard season.

This isn't resetting the position - it guys taking cuts because their performances dropped off

It could have some effect. If Dez and Thomas are franchised and Cobb doesn't get overpaid, then next offseason the average of the top 5 is likely lower than it was going into this offseason. Fitz was #2 and his number is now lower. Wallace was #3 and his number will likely be lower. If Megatron takes a pay cut to help keep Suh (rumor) then the top number would be lower.

The biggest problem will be if Denver overpays Thomas. Dez will want more than Thomas. If they don't then it seems like the top 5 average could be a good bit lower than it was going into this offseason.

 

[Hoofbite]

Take a look at the salaries for all WRs.
http://overthecap.com/position/wide-receiver/

Jordy Nelson is 8th, 9.7 mill per year. The next guy on the list that was on one of the last 4 teams in the playoffs was Danny Amendola at 24th. 5.7 mill per year. Then Doug Baldwin at 34, 4.3 mill per.

Shouldn't Percy Harvin be included?

If the argument is that the final 4 didn't spend big on WRs, then Seattle says otherwise. Just because the guy was a big enough dousche to get traded midseason doesn't mean they didn't allocate resources they could have used elsewhere on him.

 

[Nightman]

It could have some effect. If Dez and Thomas are franchised and Cobb doesn't get overpaid, then next offseason the average of the top 5 is likely lower than it was going into this offseason. Fitz was #2 and his number is now lower. Wallace was #3 and his number will likely be lower. If Megatron takes a pay cut to help keep Suh (rumor) then the top number would be lower.

The biggest problem will be if Denver overpays Thomas. Dez will want more than Thomas. If they don't then it seems like the top 5 average could be a good bit lower than it was going into this offseason.

Looks like DEN may have to tag DThomas just like Dez. Neither one wants to blink first.

 

[Nightman]

Shouldn't Percy Harvin be included?

If the argument is that the final 4 didn't spend big on WRs, then Seattle says otherwise. Just because the guy was a big enough dousche to get traded midseason doesn't mean they didn't allocate resources they could have used elsewhere on him.

Not only did SEA overpay Harvin, they traded picks for the right to do so. That is after they wasted a ton of money on Sidney Rice and Zach Miller(TE). They allocated a ton of resources to their receivers with very little return.

 

[hornitosmonster]

Agreed. I don't mind it.

It's dumb and if the Cowboys did it everyone would be after Jerry's head.

 

[xwalker]

Not only did SEA overpay Harvin, they traded picks for the right to do so. That is after they wasted a ton of money on Sidney Rice and Zach Miller(TE). They allocated a ton of resources to their receivers with very little return.

I wonder what happens with Harvin. If a team got him cheap and used him the way the Cowboys use Beasley he would be fun to watch. His problem is that he is not a fight for the ball or long pass catching type receiver.

 

[Nightman]

I wonder what happens with Harvin. If a team got him cheap and used him the way the Cowboys use Beasley he would be fun to watch. His problem is that he is not a fight for the ball or long pass catching type receiver.

MINN was just figuring out how to use him before they traded him.

He should be a KR/Slot WR and given some runs and reverses and bubble screens.

I don't think the Jets bring him back for 10m though. PITT, BAL or CAR would be good landing spots