Larry Fitz agrees to new 2 year deal-11 million per

[AbeBeta]

No it means the whole position is being reset. Dez should be right in that 12-13m range.

Fitz goes from 16m to 11m
Harvin will probably be cut 10m to FA
Wallace may be cut or reduced 10m to ????
PGarcon is rumored to be cut
AJohnson is due 23m the next 2 years with 0 guaranteed

A 31 year old guy who has clearly slowed down does not "reset" the position.

Harvin clearly hasn't earned his pay.

Garcon has one 1000 yard season. Again, hasn't earned his pay.

Johnson signed his deal in 2010.

Wallace, like Fitz, is 3 years removed from his last 1000 yard season.

This isn't resetting the position - it guys taking cuts because their performances dropped off

 

[AbeBeta]

Argument fails once Johnson redoes his contract as well...

Johnson is 33 years old. It is pure fantasy to compare Dez to someone so much older.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

A 31 year old guy who has clearly slowed down does not "reset" the position.

Harvin clearly hasn't earned his pay.

Garcon has one 1000 yard season. Again, hasn't earned his pay.

Johnson signed his deal in 2010.

Wallace, like Fitz, is 3 years removed from his last 1000 yard season.

This isn't resetting the position - it guys taking cuts because their performances dropped off

Nail on the head.

 

[ajk23az]

Eh, I don't see it as a comparison. Actually if anything, it hurts. Fitz still earns 11 million per year at far less production than Bryant?

It doesnt hurt. Dez's and Fitz's situations were much different.

Fitz could have said screw it, I earned my money and kept his old contract, in which he was a 24m cap hit this year. But, knowing he wouldn't get that much on the open market, he decided to take a pay cut in which he still got more than he should've at this stage of his career. Only because he had that leverage of staying with his old contract.

 

[tyke1doe]

Calvin is also going to have his contract lowered.

Outside of these two receivers no one makes more than 12 million a year.

Calvin was injured and his best years are behind him.
Dez hasn't even reached his peak yet.
Not saying he deserves more than $12 million, but if I were his agent, I could easily spin this to dismiss Megatron's and Fitzgerald's deals.

 

[Nightman]

A 31 year old guy who has clearly slowed down does not "reset" the position.

Harvin clearly hasn't earned his pay.

Garcon has one 1000 yard season. Again, hasn't earned his pay.

Johnson signed his deal in 2010.

Wallace, like Fitz, is 3 years removed from his last 1000 yard season.

This isn't resetting the position - it guys taking cuts because their performances dropped off

If that doesn't show that paying WRs a ton of money isn't a good idea I don't what else to show you.

They are the Top 10 contracts and most of those teams want out. If that isn't a reset, I don't know what is. Some are old, some are young, some are legends, but they are all overpaid.

If you say you are better than Harvin or Wallace, not a big leap. Their teams want to cut them because of their salary vs production after 1 or 2 years.

 

[Nightman]

It doesnt hurt. Dez's and Fitz's situations were much different.

Fitz could have said screw it, I earned my money and kept his old contract, in which he was a 24m cap hit this year. But, knowing he wouldn't get that much on the open market, he decided to take a pay cut in which he still got more than he should've at this stage of his career. Only because he had that leverage of staying with his old contract.

They would have cut him and he would get nothing. The 11m a year was reward for his history and what he means to the Franchise. They weren't going to pay him 31m for the next 2 years.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yes, good deal for cards AND Fitz.

He did not have 22 million guaranteed for 2015.
Not anywhere near that. A fraction of that.

So yes, it is a good deal for the Cards.
But they could have cut Fitz and taken the hit and Fitz would have also taken a big hit.

Don't know but according to the numbers on Spotrac, he was scheduled to make the following in 2015.

8 Mil. Base - 2 Mil Signing Bonus - 8 Mil Roster Bonus - 3 Mil Option Bonus - 250K WO Bonus - 2.35 Restructure Bonus.

All of that was reworked.

 

[AbeBeta]

If that doesn't show that paying WRs a ton of money isn't a good idea I don't what else to show you.

They are the Top 10 contracts and most of those teams want out. If that isn't a reset, I don't know what is. Some are old, some are young, some are legends, but they are all overpaid.

If you say you are better than Harvin or Wallace, not a big leap. Their teams want to cut them because of their salary vs production after 1 or 2 years.

What a silly argument.

Yeah, some of the current top 10 deals are being redone. Just in time for Dez, Demaryius Thomas, and Randall Cobb to become top 10 guys.

Just like with every single position in the league.

 

[Nightman]

Don't know but according to the numbers on Spotrac, he was scheduled to make the following in 2015.

8 Mil. Base - 2 Mil Signing Bonus - 8 Mil Roster Bonus - 3 Mil Option Bonus - 250K WO Bonus - 2.35 Restructure Bonus.

All of that was reworked.

He was scheduled to make 16.25m this year and 15m next year.
Now he will reportedly get a 16m signing bonus and make 2m this year and 4m next year
His cap hit goes from 23m to 13m this year and from 17m to 10m next year

 

[jterrell]

I think they will probably be reset to the high side. If a 32 year old Larry Fitz is getting 11/year, what should a prime top 5 player get? CJ signed two years ago, and by all accounts, the salary cap should go up. The more I think about it, the more bargaining power Dez has. It is a bit of a gamble, but if I were Dez's agent, I would recommend he take the franchise tag and try not to get hurt. He will get paid.

That would be a severe gamble. It's not just one year the team can franchise Dez.
He'd be 28 and with a lot of additional wear and tear by the time he was fully a FA. --we are talking about a WR who plays like a RB after the catch.

The team is already offering 13m a year. He probably settles in about 14 and the argument is how much is up front and how much is guaranteed.

Both sides will posture but they are not far apart right now.

 

[Nightman]

What a silly argument.

Yeah, some of the current top 10 deals are being redone. Just in time for Dez, Demaryius Thomas, and Randall Cobb to become top 10 guys.

Just like with every single position in the league.

Obviously we disagree, but I don't think it's silly

Almost every WR on the top 15 list is overpaid and in danger of getting cut. That doesn't bode well for the next set of guys asking for top money. It hasn't exactly worked out. But you are right, these new guys are so much better and different than these other guys.

 

[CyberB0b]

That would be a severe gamble. It's not just one year the team can franchise Dez.
He'd be 28 and with a lot of additional wear and tear by the time he was fully a FA. --we are talking about a WR who plays like a RB after the catch.

The team is already offering 13m a year. He probably settles in about 14 and the argument is how much is up front and how much is guaranteed.

Both sides will posture but they are not far apart right now.

So you think he is going to have "significant" wear and tear after 1 season? If that is the case, the Cowboys should let him walk.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Guaranteeing long term money on a WR is, IMO, not smart. The rules are just so slanted towards the WR that you don't really need to have an all world guy to make the passing game work. Dez is one of the top 3-5 WRs in the game but honestly, you can win without those guys if you have to.

 

[BlindFaith]

Guaranteeing long term money on a WR is, IMO, not smart. The rules are just so slanted towards the WR that you don't really need to have an all world guy to make the passing game work. Dez is one of the top 3-5 WRs in the game but honestly, you can win without those guys if you have to.

Exactly, tell me again who the big, stud top 3 WR was for the last 4 teams standing in the playoffs?

 

[Vinnie2u]

Exactly, tell me again who the big, stud top 3 WR was for the last 4 teams standing in the playoffs?

This... Ask Seattle and NE

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Exactly, tell me again who the big, stud top 3 WR was for the last 4 teams standing in the playoffs?

QB, Pass Rushing End or OLB, Shutdown CB and Dominant DT are the position that I think demand long term, big money contracts. It's still all relative to the positions and what the going rate are for each but those positions have to be locked in long term IMO.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Exactly, tell me again who the big, stud top 3 WR was for the last 4 teams standing in the playoffs?

With out Googling them I couldn't. I admit it.

 

[skinsscalper]

Exactly, tell me again who the big, stud top 3 WR was for the last 4 teams standing in the playoffs?

Jordy Nelson and that's all I got.

 

[Arkyvarminter]

Its physically impossible for Dez to be like CJ. So if that is his demands I suspect he plays 2015 franchised. But I still holding out hope he is not asking for CJ money.

Physically maybe...but production, no.