Latest could mean more trouble for Vick

[joseephuss]

Was this directed at me? If so, then yeah, I'm a lawyer in Dallas which necessarily means I graduated from law school.

Thank you for saying I don't sound like a lawyer. That makes my day. One of the most difficult skills for litigators is to learn to not sound like a lawyer and to explain things in simple terms.

I did not understand a thing you just wrote.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

If he pleads guilty to even one charge he is going to get a whole season suspension. As much heat as there has been Goodell won't have much of a choice.

He's pretty much already got that. NFL or Goodell really don't have to make a decision on this because of the court date and travel stipulations on Vick. His court date is Nov 26th. I don't know how long this might take but I'd imagin it would take a couple weeks at the very least. Regular season ends Dec. 30th. Because Vick can't travel, he's pretty much screwed. Goodell and the NFL won't have to worry about this until Vicks trial is completed. Once that happens, it's likely (at least IMO), that he's going to have to do time so there again, there's no issue for Goodell. When he gets out, he might face suspension. If that's the case, I could see this costing Vick three seasons at a minimum but if I understand this thing, I don't see how he doesn't face jail time for at least 5 years if he's convicted. Maybe somebody more knowledgable can confirm.

 

[AbeBeta]

One of the most difficult skills for litigators is to learn to not sound like a lawyer and to explain things in simple terms.

It is a high compliment to pay any professional - being able to talk like a normal person when explaining complex information is a skill that too few people hold.

 

[Big Dakota]

Listen, ignore how the media ala Nancy Gray has convicted this guy, make no mistake because of federal minimum sentencing guideleines, IE if you plead guilty you get at least x amount of jail time, there will be no plea here and he will not be convicted in my opinion, it always works this way the worse the case the more they try to fry him in the press from the get go, the only thing they have on this guy is that he owned the house, the"paper trail" they kept talking about doesn't exist, he probably was never there, and it was all a cash business, the witnesses will have a rap sheet a mile long, just wait, I know this guy is a sleaze, but man anyone who doesn't think there is a dual system of justice in this country is naive, he'll walk you just wait, $25 million a year will buy you some lawyers....

You ever hear of a period, IE the end of a sentence??? Were you homeschooled by Vick's mom?

 

[5Stars]

Well, from the recent pic of Vick, I see that he cut his hair like Pacman cut his hair. Why all of the sudden do they want to look normal instead of all gansta-ed out?

 

[tyke1doe]

Spring training? Mike, this isn't baseball. It's Training Camp.

What did you expect from an attorney named "Billy Martin"?

 

[tyke1doe]

if I'm his attorney, what I want to do is move quickly to get the government to agree to let Vick plead guilty only to conspiring to participate in dogfighting across state lines and not to conspiring to violate the "Travel Act," because the maximum he could get would be a year and the reality of it would be he might not go to prison at all. If they wait until August, such a deal may no longer be available.


Cop a plea to avoid more charges ...no jail time...a league suspension for what 8 games? Love how so many assume his career/ life is over because of this.

If the feds think they have a strong case against Vick, they won't offer a deal.

Vick is the big dog here. They won't let him cop a deal.

 

[Big Dakota]

Well, from the recent pic of Vick, I see that he cut his hair like Pacman cut his hair. Why all of the sudden do they want to look normal instead of all gansta-ed out?

"Ah dih-in't do nuh-in!!"

 

[Hostile]

What did you expect from an attorney named "Billy Martin"?

A dugout fight with Reggie Jackson.

 

[joseephuss]

What did you expect from an attorney named "Billy Martin"?

Someone mentioned on ESPN yesterday that Billy Martin was the guy who defended Jayson Williams. He was the basketball player that shot and killed his limo driver. He won that case. They went on to say that if Martin wins this case that every celebrity will have Martin's number on speed dial.

 

[Big Dakota]

Someone mentioned on ESPN yesterday that Billy Martin was the guy who defended Jayson Williams. He was the basketball player that shot and killed his limo driver. He won that case. They went on to say that if Martin wins this case that every celebrity will have Martin's number on speed dial.

In the spring of 2004, he was tried on charges related to the killing of 55 year old limousine driver Costas "Gus" Christofi at his estate in New Jersey on February 14, 2002. Christofi had been hired to drive Williams' friends from a Bethlehem, Pennsylvania charity event to the mansion, about 30 miles northwest of Trenton, New Jersey. Published reports have said Williams was playfully twirling a shotgun while giving a tour of his 30,000-square-foot home when the weapon fired, hitting Christofi. At the time of Christofi's death, Williams was working as a studio analyst for The NBA on NBC.
That April, he was acquitted of the most serious charges against him, but the jury deadlocked on a charge of reckless manslaughter, and he currently faces a retrial on that charge. He also faces trial on four charges related to his alleged attempts to cover up the circumstances of the driver's death. News of the shooting was shocking because Williams had an easygoing and humorous reputation. His wife endorsed her husband and her love for him in her website. In January 2005, he began to play professionally again in the Continental Basketball Association. In January 2003, the family of Costas "Gus" Christofi settled with Williams in a wrongful death lawsuit for $2.75 million.
On April 21, 2006, an appeals court ruled that Williams can be retried on a reckless manslaughter charge stemming from the shooting death of Christofi.


He lost his career, millions and isnt out of the woods yet.

 

[tyke1doe]

Was this directed at me? If so, then yeah, I'm a lawyer in Dallas which necessarily means I graduated from law school.

Thank you for saying I don't sound like a lawyer. That makes my day. One of the most difficult skills for litigators is to learn to not sound like a lawyer and to explain things in simple terms.

AMEN!!!

 

[tyke1doe]

Someone mentioned on ESPN yesterday that Billy Martin was the guy who defended Jayson Williams. He was the basketball player that shot and killed his limo driver. He won that case. They went on to say that if Martin wins this case that every celebrity will have Martin's number on speed dial.

The new Johnnie Cochran.

 

[cobra]

He won that case.

...in state court. There's a distinction here that is enormously important. This is in federal court. Martin can pull off some magic in state court where the rules favor defendants and the district attorneys tend to be mostly bottom-of-the-class lawyers.

But in federal court, the entire deck is stacked against Vick. The Enron boys had some of the best attorneys in this country between Mike Ramsey, Dan Petrocelli and Mac Secrest, and the federal prosecutor stomped all over them in what was a really hard case. This is an easy case. Vick is toast in court.

 

[Doomsday101]

The new Johnnie Cochran.

If the dog don't sit you must acquit.

 

[tyke1doe]

...in state court. There's a distinction here that is enormously important. This is in federal court. Martin can pull off some magic in state court where the rules favor defendants and the district attorneys tend to be mostly bottom-of-the-class lawyers.

But in federal court, the entire deck is stacked against Vick. The Enron boys had some of the best attorneys in this country between Mike Ramsey, Dan Petrocelli and Mac Secrest, and the federal prosecutor stomped all over them in what was a really hard case. This is an easy case. Vick is toast in court.

That may be true, but it depends on the jury makeup.

I think there was a great deal of public resentment towards the "Enron boys."

This case will be tried in Richmond. And while race has nothing to do with the indictment, I can guarantee you that Billy Martin is going to try to pack the jury with a majority of blacks, who may look at this case a bit different than whites, especially if they're of a lower certain socio-economic status.

I'm also certain that the prosecutors are going to try to get as many pet owners on the jury as possible.

That's what I'm going to be looking at in particular, the jury makeup.

 

[zeromaster]

Listen, ignore how the media ala Nancy Gray has convicted this guy, make no mistake because of federal minimum sentencing guideleines, IE if you plead guilty you get at least x amount of jail time, there will be no plea here and he will not be convicted in my opinion, it always works this way the worse the case the more they try to fry him in the press from the get go, the only thing they have on this guy is that he owned the house, the"paper trail" they kept talking about doesn't exist, he probably was never there, and it was all a cash business, the witnesses will have a rap sheet a mile long, just wait, I know this guy is a sleaze, but man anyone who doesn't think there is a dual system of justice in this country is naive, he'll walk you just wait, $25 million a year will buy you some lawyers....

Epiphanies are wonderful things...

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

That may be true, but it depends on the jury makeup.

I think there was a great deal of public resentment towards the "Enron boys."

This case will be tried in Richmond. And while race has nothing to do with the indictment, I can guarantee you that Billy Martin is going to try to pack the jury with a majority of blacks, who may look at this case a bit different than whites, especially if they're of a lower certain socio-economic status.

I'm also certain that the prosecutors are going to try to get as many pet owners on the jury as possible.

That's what I'm going to be looking at in particular, the jury makeup.

He can try, but it's not going to fly. From what I've seen, many of the locals are just as discusted over this issue as are the posters on this board.

 

[fortdick]

That may be true, but it depends on the jury makeup.

I think there was a great deal of public resentment towards the "Enron boys."

This case will be tried in Richmond. And while race has nothing to do with the indictment, I can guarantee you that Billy Martin is going to try to pack the jury with a majority of blacks, who may look at this case a bit different than whites, especially if they're of a lower certain socio-economic status.

I'm also certain that the prosecutors are going to try to get as many pet owners on the jury as possible.

That's what I'm going to be looking at in particular, the jury makeup.

A bench trial is always in the defendant's best interest if he is innocent. Even if only a little guilty. Judges don't get confused by the lawyer tricks.

 

[joseephuss]

...in state court. There's a distinction here that is enormously important. This is in federal court. Martin can pull off some magic in state court where the rules favor defendants and the district attorneys tend to be mostly bottom-of-the-class lawyers.

But in federal court, the entire deck is stacked against Vick. The Enron boys had some of the best attorneys in this country between Mike Ramsey, Dan Petrocelli and Mac Secrest, and the federal prosecutor stomped all over them in what was a really hard case. This is an easy case. Vick is toast in court.

I agree. I guess it will be a big "IF" for Martin to pull this one out. I can't remember who was on ESPN radio yesterday talking about it as I was listening. It may have been Doug Gottleib, but I was in and out of radio range during that time. I didn't follow the Williams case at all and was unaware it was the same attorney until yesterday. I also didn't know that Williams was still in the courts.