Latest could mean more trouble for Vick

[Bob Sacamano]

That may be true, but it depends on the jury makeup.

I think there was a great deal of public resentment towards the "Enron boys."

This case will be tried in Richmond. And while race has nothing to do with the indictment, I can guarantee you that Billy Martin is going to try to pack the jury with a majority of blacks, who may look at this case a bit different than whites, especially if they're of a lower certain socio-economic status.

I'm also certain that the prosecutors are going to try to get as many pet owners on the jury as possible.

That's what I'm going to be looking at in particular, the jury makeup.

there will be in this case as well, dog-fighting sickens alot of people, once the prosecutor goes into all the facts about it, alot are going to be sick

 

[5Stars]

:laugh2: you spread herpes and flick off your fans, not to mention suck at being a QB

give me a break

That one got me too! I was thinking "which name"?

Mike Vick

or

Ron Mexico

or

Ookie

 

[Bob Sacamano]

That one got me too! I was thinking "which name"?

Mike Vick

or

Ron Mexico

or

Ookie

the only good thing that can come from this case for Vick is not going to jail and paying out the arse

what I find interesting about this whole thing is that Goodell may not even have to suspend Vick, cuz if his lawyers can't reverse the judge's decision that restricts him to the state of Virginia, he won't be able to play for at least 6 weeks

 

[jackrussell]

 

[5Stars]

:laugh2: :laugh2:

 

[LaTunaNostra]

He could be the spokesman for the new puparoni pizza.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

I'm confused by your last. Does this mean that your for, or against this move?

Yeah, ha ha ABQ, Vick would qualify as an improvement in that position.

I can't believe I am laughing about this - not when I want to see him pitted against some convict named "Mad Dog" in a bloody stone ring at Levenworth.

 

[03EBZ06]

Plea hearing for co-defendant of Vick set for Monday

Updated: July 27, 2007, 9:06 PM ET



RICHMOND, Va. -- One of Michael Vick's co-defendants doesn't want to wait for trial.

Instead, a plea agreement hearing has been scheduled for Tony Taylor at 9 a.m. Monday in the federal dogfighting conspiracy case.

Taylor's hearing was added to U.S. District Judge Henry E. Hudson's docket Friday, a day after he and the other three defendants pleaded not guilty before the same judge. Vick and the others still are scheduled for trial Nov. 26.

Prosecutors claim Taylor, 34, found the Surry County property purchased by Vick and used it as the site of "Bad Newz Kennels," a dogfighting enterprise. The Hampton man also allegedly helped purchase pit bulls and killed at least two dogs that fared poorly in test fights.

Taylor's lawyer, Stephen Ashton Hudgins of Newport News, did not immediately return a phone message, and federal prosecutors have declined to talk about the case.

An 18-page indictment issued July 17 charged the four men with conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities, and conspiring to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture. The maximum punishment is five years in prison and fines of up to $250,000.

According to the indictment, the dogfighting ring executed underperforming dogs by drowning, hanging and other brutal means. It alleges that the fights offered purses as high as $26,000.

The gruesome details outlined in the indictment have fueled protests and public outrage against Vick, the star quarterback of the Atlanta Falcons. NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has banned Vick from the Falcons' training camp while the league investigates.

Charged along with Vick and Taylor are Purnell A. Peace, 35, of Virginia Beach, and Quanis L. Phillips, 28, of Atlanta.

All four remain free without bond. When U.S. Magistrate Dennis Dohnal set the conditions for their release Thursday, he commended Taylor for admitting to using illegal drugs despite never being convicted of a drug offense. He ordered periodic drug testing for Taylor.

Peace and Phillips each have drug convictions and were ordered to submit to testing, as well as an electronic monitoring program. Taylor was spared the electronic monitoring.

Neither drug testing nor monitoring were ordered for Vick.

Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press

 

[DLCassidy]

You do not SOUND like a lawyer. At least not like most of the so called lawyers we have posting here. So do you have any law school type training.

You mean he doesn't sound arrogant and annoying? BTW, are you a lawyer?

 

[adbutcher]

Have I missed something? Is the trial over already? Presumption of innocence I guess is a thing of the past. Not just in Vick’s case but any case dealing with a high profile type. It's sexy, it sells, the media love it and some with some deep seated resentment love it as well.

I get it, the federal prosecutor says he is guilty so it must be so. Let's just skip the trial and string him up; I guess that little thing as constitutional right of due process kind of gets in the way of that. Don’t worry along with our freedom of privacy that we are so willing to give away; other constitutional privileges will soon follow. That’s how the slippery slope often works.

Thank goodness most of you are not jury eligible; he could really be in trouble. Also, if proven innocent I hope you all are equally zealous in his defense.

If you believe in our justice system faults and all how can some of you spout off the way you are spouting off, you should be a shamed of yourselves but hey it is not your glass house on display, lol.

 

[03EBZ06]

I don't know how this guy missed this when he analyzed the indictment.

I explained this to all of you when the initial indictment came out and told y'all that there would be further counts of indictment. I also explained why this would end up a RICO case as well. Y'all are getting this valuable stuff for free from me. I should be charging FOX for my services.

So, feel free to PM to get my address at which you can begin to shower gifts of thanks upon me.

I remember your prediction of additional indictments and why Vick's indictment was a RICO case. Good call.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

You're right, Ad, we are piling on. But even NFL.com pulled all Vick items out of its store today. Which I don't believe happened with that guy whose favorite pastime allegedly seems to be slamming the heads of strippers into floors (Pacman). Mike's big mistake was not understanding that the heads of dogs are in many places more highly valued than those of strippers.

I really hope MV gets completely vindicated, because he has been one of my favorite players for years, and I just DON'T want to believe he could so cruelly mistreat (correction - TORTURE) animals.

In the meantime, the way I plan to get thru this one is to make as many jokes at his expense as I can. If and when he is found not guilty, I will breathe a football fan sign of relief, but I ain't holding my breath, either.

 

[Crown Royal]

This won't end well.

If he is found guilty, he is finished and will be up there with the worst names in all of sports.

If he is found not guilty, well, he will still be guilty in the eyes of the public and no matter what it will be because he was rich.

 

[03EBZ06]

CZ Lawyers...can one of you explain what all entails during the plea agreement hearing? And will the plea hearing be completed on Monday with whatever punishment (if any) defendent is seeking?

One of Michael Vick's co-defendants doesn't want to wait for trial.

Instead, a plea agreement hearing has been scheduled for Tony Taylor at 9 a.m. Monday in the federal dogfighting conspiracy case.

 

[skinsscalper]

Plea hearing for co-defendant of Vick set for Monday

Updated: July 27, 2007, 9:06 PM ET



RICHMOND, Va. -- One of Michael Vick's co-defendants doesn't want to wait for trial.

Instead, a plea agreement hearing has been scheduled for Tony Taylor at 9 a.m. Monday in the federal dogfighting conspiracy case.

Taylor's hearing was added to U.S. District Judge Henry E. Hudson's docket Friday, a day after he and the other three defendants pleaded not guilty before the same judge. Vick and the others still are scheduled for trial Nov. 26.

Prosecutors claim Taylor, 34, found the Surry County property purchased by Vick and used it as the site of "Bad Newz Kennels," a dogfighting enterprise. The Hampton man also allegedly helped purchase pit bulls and killed at least two dogs that fared poorly in test fights.

Taylor's lawyer, Stephen Ashton Hudgins of Newport News, did not immediately return a phone message, and federal prosecutors have declined to talk about the case.

An 18-page indictment issued July 17 charged the four men with conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities, and conspiring to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture. The maximum punishment is five years in prison and fines of up to $250,000.

According to the indictment, the dogfighting ring executed underperforming dogs by drowning, hanging and other brutal means. It alleges that the fights offered purses as high as $26,000.

The gruesome details outlined in the indictment have fueled protests and public outrage against Vick, the star quarterback of the Atlanta Falcons. NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has banned Vick from the Falcons' training camp while the league investigates.

Charged along with Vick and Taylor are Purnell A. Peace, 35, of Virginia Beach, and Quanis L. Phillips, 28, of Atlanta.

All four remain free without bond. When U.S. Magistrate Dennis Dohnal set the conditions for their release Thursday, he commended Taylor for admitting to using illegal drugs despite never being convicted of a drug offense. He ordered periodic drug testing for Taylor.

Peace and Phillips each have drug convictions and were ordered to submit to testing, as well as an electronic monitoring program. Taylor was spared the electronic monitoring.

Neither drug testing nor monitoring were ordered for Vick.

Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press

And the dominoes start to fall...............

SS

 

[silverbear]

If anyone had any doubt that Vick's celebrity might change the court's usual pace, Hudson cleared it up quickly. Lawrence Woodward, one of Vick's lawyers, argued that a speedy trial is not possible under the Richmond rules. There is no way, Woodward said, to be ready for trial on Oct. 4, which is what the rules require. He described the complexity of the charges, the need for forensic analysis of some of the dead dogs, and the multi-state nature of the charges.
Hudson listened and ruled instantly, as he did on every other issue during the hearing.
"Yes," Hudson said, "I will treat this case as complex litigation."
And then he set it for trial on Nov. 26, about eight weeks later than the date required by normal docket rules. Woodward and the rest of Vick's legal team likely were hoping for an eight-month delay rather than an eight-week delay. It was apparent that Hudson is serious about the November date.
Vick and the Atlanta Falcons now know what the quarterback will be doing this fall.
Hudson laid out a schedule for the pre-trial skirmishing that is always a part of a major federal conspiracy prosecution. Vick's lawyers might have an advantage in the speedy pre-trial procedures in that they come equipped with money and staff, so it is likely they'll be able to outwork federal prosecutors who must tend to other cases and won't be able to focus solely on Vick.
In another sign of the quick-step culture of the Richmond courthouse, Hudson told the lawyers he will select a jury in "a half a day." With enormous media coverage expected, coupled with the severity of the charges described in the indictment, two veteran Richmond defense lawyers -- both of whom have histories with Hudson -- thought it would take as much as a week to find 12 jurors who haven't already made up their minds on Vick.
"If Judge Hudson says a half a day, then it will be a half a day," one of them observed after the hearings.

I already like Judge Hudson... it's pretty clear to me that he's no Ito...

 

[silverbear]

Spring training? Mike, this isn't baseball. It's Training Camp.

It was pretty easy to tell Vick didn't write that "apology", it was too articulate...

 

[silverbear]

I don't know how this guy missed this when he analyzed the indictment.

I explained this to all of you when the initial indictment came out and told y'all that there would be further counts of indictment. I also explained why this would end up a RICO case as well. Y'all are getting this valuable stuff for free from me. I should be charging FOX for my services.

So, feel free to PM to get my address at which you can begin to shower gifts of thanks upon me.

I would, but I've found it's really tough to get a rattlesnake into a box...

 

[silverbear]

Listen, ignore how the media ala Nancy Gray has convicted this guy, make no mistake because of federal minimum sentencing guideleines, IE if you plead guilty you get at least x amount of jail time, there will be no plea here and he will not be convicted in my opinion, it always works this way the worse the case the more they try to fry him in the press from the get go, the only thing they have on this guy is that he owned the house

Apparently you haven't read the indictment, as a result you're talkin' STUPID crap...

the"paper trail" they kept talking about doesn't exist

You're quite sure of that, are you?? Have access to the Feds' evidence, do you??

he probably was never there

Never mind the numerous witnesses who can put him there... never mind him telling friends that he spent most of the 02 offseason there "playing video games and playing with my dogs"...

Do you often run off at the mouth about subjects that you're clearly uninformed about??

the witnesses will have a rap sheet a mile long

Doesn't matter, if a) they all tell substantially the same story, and b) the Feds can prove that they provided information that proved accurate (like where to dig up those dog's corpses)...

he'll walk you just wait, $25 million a year will buy you some lawyers....

The Feds have nailed a lot richer than Michael Vick... doesn't matter how good the lawyers are, if the case against him is solid...

 

[silverbear]

What did you expect from an attorney named "Billy Martin"?

ROTFLMAO... I hadn't thought of that...

That was wicked funny...