LennyP Tipsheet: Vince Young...reconsidering?

[silverbear]

There is no question, young is the guy in that offense but he is far from alone. Taylor, Charles, Young, Sweed, Pittman, Crosby can all make plays in that offense. The OL of Sendlin, Blalock, Studdard, Allan and Scott is formidable. Young is a special player but there is a great deal of talent on that Texas offense IMO.

Yes, there surely is... of course, the WRs were a large question mark going into this season, as was the running game...

Troy Aikman was surrounded by a lot of talent too, and we often see Cowboys haters trying to dismiss his accomplishments because of that... I tell them what I'll tell you now-- maybe, just maybe, Sweed and Charles et al have been able to step up because Young is so good opponents have to focus their attention on him... IOW, maybe Aikman helped make those great players great, and maybe Young helps make the other Horns better...

 

[silverbear]

I have my ear plugs in place.......I have read all the post stating why they would not be in favor of Young. I Don't buy it. This kid has talent, he has speed, he has moxiesmile, You name it he has it.......I would draft V. Young (1st rd) in a heart beat.

It really is true, with age comes wisdom...

 

[BHendri5]

For the posters that has seen VY, throw passes and miss his WRs badly, I'm glad that you guys are watching the same games that I have been watching.

It is a lot of UT homers on this board, and they need to take the blinders off.
I have yet to see VY complete pass to a Wr that is not wide open, or at least have 3 or 5 steps on the DB.

I have not seen any passes completed in tight coverage, the intermediate passes he cannot do, nor the short game. He will fail in the combine to make every throw that they will ask.

I'll say this, Vince needs to return for his senior year, during the offseason he really needs to get with a legit QB coach to help him fix his mechanics, and help him.

UT, do not teach their QBs to read defenses, they do not have that type of offense. Their offense is maybe a step up from a high schools offense. The defenses in the big 12, are as vanilla as the high schools. OU may be the only team that has some complicated schemes on defense.
The college teams with coaches that have coached in the NFL, run NFL type defenses and offenses. Most of those teams are in the Pac 10, Ohio St. may have some NFL schemes. Nebraska if they let Callahan do his job, he will have them doing NFL schemes.

I listen to the radio and how these Homer radio guys talk about VY reading defenses, I get a good laugh everytime.

 

[silverbear]

Who cares? The man will never play QB in the NFL, not only does he not have NFL accuracy, but he takes way to many hits to last in the NFL.

And yet, he doesn't seem to have missed a game in college... go figure...

 

[BHendri5]

ROTFLMAO... SURE he was...

Fact check time--

Matt Jones' college career: 47 games played... 756 attempts, 417 completions... 55.2 per cent completion rate... 5857 yards, 124.6 yards per game... 53 TDs, 30 ints...

Vince Young's college career: 35 games played... 661 attempts, 400 completions... 60.5 completion percentage... 5580 yards, 159.4 yards per game... 41TD s, 27 ints...

But the most relevant comparison might be to the last college season for each... in 11 games, Vince has gone 168 for 268 (62.7%), for 2576 yards (234.2 per game), with 23 TDs (2.1 per game) and 8 ints (.7 per game)... his quarterback rating on the season is 165.0... Jones also played in 11 games last year, and he went 151 for 264 (57.2%), for 2073 yards (188.5 per game), with 15 TDs (1.4 per game) and 12 ints (1.1 per game)... his quarterback rating last year was 132.8...

Now, I'll give you that Jones WAS the better running QB, but that's not really a knock on Vince, Matt's college rushing numbers were AMAZING... but as a passer, well, let's just say that NO scouts projected him to play QB in the NFL... meanwhile, I haven't seen a single scout who projects Young to play any other position...

Vince Young is obviously the superior passer, and the discrepancy can't be explained away by the difference in talent between their supporting casts...

Those pesky facts, they do get in the way of a perfectly good biased rant, don't they?? But hey, at least now any 3rd party reading this thread can judge your specious arguments with ALL the facts, and form his own opinions regarding your agenda, and that of others in this thread spewing the same stupidity...

Again, allow me to repeat, any Horns hater who wishes to trash their players is well advised to have their facts in order, because I do have mine in order, and will be happy to rebut ridiculous arguments like the ones I've addressed in this thread...

LOL, you keep living by those stats. Stats do not tell the whole story. The fact is Jones was a better QB than VY, no matter how you or anyone else tyr to use stats to say differently.

 

[silverbear]

Maybe some team will give him a chance, but who ever gives him that chance they are going to want to convert him as soon as they watch him in minicamps.

Young has talent, but an NFL QB he is not. He is not accurate, he can hit only wide open receivers sometime.

The numbers say otherwise... do you have ANYTHING other than your obviously biased opinion to offer us?? I mean, you just keep on repeating the same BS over and over, and I won't bother rebutting it again...

Address my arguments with some facts, then we can talk... until you do bring some facts, all you're doing is talking trash...

He definitely is nowhere near Michael

And yet, as I posted earlier, he has better numbers than the Herpes Kid...

You are so completely FOS, you really ought to just back out of this argument before you embarrass yourself further...

 

[silverbear]

The only thing you said worth anything in your post, is that Young has NFL talent.

Let's see, I've offered statistical fact to back up my arguments, you've offered... well, NOTHING... nothing except your clearly biased opinion...

If my facts are so "worthless", it ought to be EASY for you to rebut them, instead of just dismissing them with some vague putdown...

You got anything other than your mouth to offer this argument??

 

[silverbear]

For the posters that has seen VY, throw passes and miss his WRs badly, I'm glad that you guys are watching the same games that I have been watching.

It is a lot of UT homers on this board, and they need to take the blinders off.
I have yet to see VY complete pass to a Wr that is not wide open, or at least have 3 or 5 steps on the DB.

Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah... again, long on 'tude, short on facts...

Vince Young is more NFL-ready now than Michael Vick was coming out of college... Vick's coaches freely admitted that he was trained to look for his primary receiver, then his secondary receiver, then take off...

And look here, Vick is an actual NFL quarterback... not a particularly good one, but a started nonetheless... so again, using logic and FACTS, make your case why Vince can't do the same...

 

[silverbear]

LOL, you keep living by those stats.

Actually, the stats just back up what I've seen with my own two eyes... thanks to DirecTV, I've been able to catch about a half dozen Horns games this year, and have probably seen Vince play in 20-25 games over the course of his career...

Stats do not tell the whole story.

Said the hater who hasn't brought ANYTHING to the table... the truth is, if you know how to use stats, you can analyze a game or a season with a fair degree of accuracy...

Example-- you and others have claimed the Vince sucks when it comes to reading defenses, and that his arm is inaccurate... well, generally speaking when that's true, you find a QB who has thrown a pretty high percentage of interceptions (not being able to read defenses causes you to throw into coverage with some frequency, and a scatterarm causes you to miss your receivers who ARE open, leading to easy picks for the DBs)... but when you look at Young's numbers, you learn that he has thrown one int for every 24.5 throws over his college career, and this season, 1 into for every 29.9 passes...

A scatterarmed quarterback who can't read defenses would throw more picks than one in every thirty passes... so this stat alone is a compelling rebuttal of those claims...

The fact is Jones was a better QB than VY, no matter how you or anyone else tyr to use stats to say differently.

The fact is, that's a crock of steaming s***... you can go ahead and eat it if you want to, but don't expect me to join you... bon appetit...

 

[BHendri5]

Don't get mad, because people are not enamored with VY, like you are.
I do not need Stats, to back up what I have posted. I watch VY every week.
Evidently so have others, because they are saying the same things, I have been saying.

I know youlove UT, I'm a fan of UT too, but I am not blinded like you. I see the flaws and I am big enough to say that VY, is not ready. He had better stay his last season, and work on those things, if he does not he will most definitely be a WR, regardless of the stats you like to lean on.

People that lean on stats, has no argument, they do not know what they are arguing about.
It is widely known that stats does not tell you the whole story. So you can pund out those stats all day long, they don't mean a thing.

Young is not ready for the NFL, nor is he better than Vick, Vick's brother, Leinart, Quinn, Stanton, Crowley, Leak, he is so far down the line as being a total package QB, it is not funny.

Like I said I agree with you that he has talent, and he will play in the NFL, but if he leaves after this season, he can go to another team and waste their time, just not the Cowboys.

But I do not have to worry about him being a Cowboy QB, because it will never happen.
So you can argue all you want, he will not be a Cowboy, unless he is a WR.

Sorry fella, he has WR written all over him right now as a Junior at UT, playing QB, and he can keep putting up stats and you can keep tracking them, but you have an empty arguement.

I'm going to bed. Good night

 

[BHendri5]

Oh, 1 more thang, I live in Austin, I'm from Texas, and I have seen every game that VY has played, also Simms, also Applewhite, Ricky, Benson, Williams so on and so forth. I do not need Direct TV. LOL, I just turn on the T.V. LOL

 

[SuspectCorner]

Oh, 1 more thang, I live in Austin, I'm from Texas, and I have seen every game that VY has played, also Simms, also Applewhite, Ricky, Benson, Williams so on and so forth. I do not need Direct TV. LOL, I just turn on the T.V. LOL

then you are probably aware that "QB development" hasn't exactly been an earmark of the UT program.

that's why i'm so impressed with the strides VY has made in the last year or so.

if Texas Tech's Mike Leach ever gets ahold of talent like Young - it'd be freaking scary...

 

[Zaxor]

the way I see it is...

If someone drafts VY they better atleast give him a year or more of bench time ... I think he has the potential to be very good... but I don't think he is that right now...

So a team/franchise has got to ask itself... knowing that one year atleast but more likely two for development is worth a 1st round draft choice

and that 12 million or more ( I estimated...I think Troy's first contract was 11 million in 4 years ) may have been spent from the teams salary cap before the guy ever even takes the field...

on the other hand

what is the likely hood of getting another guy of his talent at the qb position...

and IF he developes as hoped he could be dang near impossible to stop

hard question for any GM put into that position...

I don't think "I" would draft him in the first unless I had a pretty solid team and could afford to take that chance...

 

[Maikeru-sama]

For the posters that has seen VY, throw passes and miss his WRs badly, I'm glad that you guys are watching the same games that I have been watching.

Im sorry, I just have to mention the irony in all of this....

The fact that THIS is exactly what Quincy Carter was doing for so long and yet you stood by him thick and thin.

You liked Quincy, who was an average quarterback and never was regarded in the same light as Vince Young in College but yet you have already grabbed the dooornob and slammed the door shut on Vince Young's career as a QB in the NFL and it hasnt even started yet.

I dont get it...

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

Vince Young isn't anything but a faster Quincy Carter. Let's pass please. If we're going QB next draft, trade up for Leinart.

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

Gotta admit though, that was a sweet pass he just threw to Sweed to make it 28-3.

 

[Hiero]

Gotta admit though, that was a sweet pass he just threw to Sweed to make it 28-3.

lol, ya it sure was. He's unstoppable. Like they said "It's like Texas has 13 men on the field" Young can do so much running AND passing, and the two open it up for the other one. He is definitely coming out, and I predict Cardinals take him.

 

[gbrittain]

LOL, you keep living by those stats. Stats do not tell the whole story. The fact is Jones was a better QB than VY, no matter how you or anyone else tyr to use stats to say differently.

You are no doubt the only person in the world that believes that. If what you say is true, please tell me why the scouts determined that Matt Jones should be drafted as a WR, but VY will be drafted as a QB?

 

[gbrittain]

Im sorry, I just have to mention the irony in all of this....

The fact that THIS is exactly what Quincy Carter was doing for so long and yet you stood by him thick and thin.

You liked Quincy, who was an average quarterback and never was regarded in the same light as Vince Young in College but yet you have already grabbed the dooornob and slammed the door shut on Vince Young's career as a QB in the NFL and it hasnt even started yet.

I dont get it...

That is truly hilarious. Quincy Carter on his best day could not out pass Vince Young on his worst day with his eyes closed!

 

[Cbz40]

Gotta admit though, that was a sweet pass he just threw to Sweed to make it 28-3.

About Hase!!!!!!!!!