LennyP Tipsheet: Vince Young...reconsidering?

[ghst187]

I can't understand all the attention surrounding this guy. Who cares if he goes pro or not?

If he starts a single game at QB in the pros I'll be surprised.

I agree with the first part of what you said. There are plenty of Atlanta fans who would like to see Shaub take over fulltime for several reasons: 1) Vick is very inconsisten passing 2) Vick is hurt incessantly

Young is about the same player as Vick except I think Vick is better with his feet. Young in a long-strider, Vick is quicker. They both change directions amazingly well.
I think Vick is actually a better passer than Young. I've never seen Young throw to anyone who wasn't 10 yards wide open and hardly ever under 20 yards downfield. Sure he has a strong arm, but I don't see him going through reads, checking down, and making tough passes in tight coverage on out routes and etc. I have never seen him able to pick teams apart with his arm and brain, only with his legs, which is good enough in college, not as much in the pros. I think his short and intermediate game sucks and I think it was Bledsoe that said it best "(in response to his immobility) i think that criticism will be a lot more valid when a running QB actually wins a SB."

I'm not trying to disrespect Young as a person, I just think that his game does not translate well to the pros.
I do think that someone will draft him in the first round, probably top 15, and that team will be forced to play him at some point because they used a high pick on him.
So I do disagree with your second point, I think he will probably start some games in the NFL. I just don't think he'll be very good as a passer in the NFL.
I must say though that I am very sick of the UT homerism that incessantly post how great it would be for the Cowboys to draft Young. I wouldn't rank him in the "top 5 of current college QB's most likely to succeed in the NFL."
1) Quinn
2) Leinert
3) Croyle
4) Cutler
5) Leak

 

[Hiero]

I didn't see that game, but noticed that stance a few times, and immediately dismissed all the "he's got a good college arm, but not a good enough NFL one" stuff.

Throwing as far/hard as he does with a hopscotch posture, I can imagine once he's tutored he will evidence not just more arm strength but accuracy.

He's an exciting player, and I sure wish him well, but he's a 'project' in NFL terms if ever there was one....

yes he is a project perfect for the boys. Payton/Parcells will fix his mechanics and unlike Henson he hasnt been away from the game and will learn a lot faster. Plus he doesnt have to start right away so we can fix the mechanics before he has to play.

 

[Hiero]

Never heard of another Young by the name of Steve?

I agree with the first part of what you said. There are plenty of Atlanta fans who would like to see Shaub take over fulltime for several reasons: 1) Vick is very inconsisten passing 2) Vick is hurt incessantly

Young is about the same player as Vick except I think Vick is better with his feet. Young in a long-strider, Vick is quicker. They both change directions amazingly well.
I think Vick is actually a better passer than Young. I've never seen Young throw to anyone who wasn't 10 yards wide open and hardly ever under 20 yards downfield. Sure he has a strong arm, but I don't see him going through reads, checking down, and making tough passes in tight coverage on out routes and etc. I have never seen him able to pick teams apart with his arm and brain, only with his legs, which is good enough in college, not as much in the pros. I think his short and intermediate game sucks and I think it was Bledsoe that said it best "(in response to his immobility) i think that criticism will be a lot more valid when a running QB actually wins a SB."

I'm not trying to disrespect Young as a person, I just think that his game does not translate well to the pros.
I do think that someone will draft him in the first round, probably top 15, and that team will be forced to play him at some point because they used a high pick on him.
So I do disagree with your second point, I think he will probably start some games in the NFL. I just don't think he'll be very good as a passer in the NFL.
I must say though that I am very sick of the UT homerism that incessantly post how great it would be for the Cowboys to draft Young. I wouldn't rank him in the "top 5 of current college QB's most likely to succeed in the NFL."
1) Quinn
2) Leinert
3) Croyle
4) Cutler
5) Leak

 

[Mike 1967]

I can't understand all the attention surrounding this guy. Who cares if he goes pro or not?

Longhorn fans care.

I don't know about his impact in the NFL...but...there is no questioning his impact on this years success.

He is the team leader and primary catalyst for the success this year.

And if he were not available to play....there is no depth behind him.

 

[ghst187]

Never heard of another Young by the name of Steve?

Young was a throw-first guy that hung in the pocket. Vick and Young are not. They are 1 read and run guys.

 

[Hiero]

Young was a throw-first guy that hung in the pocket. Vick and Young are not. They are 1 read and run guys.

Vince is still young, if put in the right system he will be a great one.

 

[Mike 1967]

Young was a throw-first guy that hung in the pocket. Vick and Young are not. They are 1 read and run guys.

Vince has not been a 1 read and run guy during this season.

If anything, Young is not running when he should run.

 

[Cbz40]

Staubach was another......although Landry insisted he be a pocket passer 1st & foremost...Roger could run as well as most to escape a pass rush.

 

[cobra]

I would just like to register my immense shock to see katr hyping Vince Young. I would never expect. NEVER. I can't understand why.

 

[Hiero]

Vince has not been a 1 read and run guy during this season.

If anything, Young is not running when he should run.

Young is making huge strides this year. He has the discipline to stay in hte pocket unlike Mike Vick, but I think young qb's are learning the lesson not to neglect that because its come back to bite Mike Vick in the butt. Vince Young has the work ethic of an elite player + elite talent he is gonna be a stud.

 

[gbrittain]

Vince Young is a big time QB prospect. No different than Ryan Leaf, Donovan McNabb, Alex Smith, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Ben R, Carson Palmer, Byron Leftwich, David Carr or any other highly touted QB coming out of the college ranks.

Wether he makes it big time or not is the real question. He obviously has all the tools plus a few tools other QBs will never ever have. Those who think he will be a WR are not thinking straight.

He will make if in the NFL as a QB, or thrown out of the NFL because he is a sorry NFL QB.

 

[Mike 1967]

Young is making huge strides this year. He has the discipline to stay in hte pocket unlike Mike Vick, but I think young qb's are learning the lesson not to neglect that because its come back to bite Mike Vick in the butt. Vince Young has the work ethic of an elite player + elite talent he is gonna be a stud.

THere is no way to know for sure...but...my expectations are the same as those you have outlined above

 

[mr.jameswoods]

Young is making huge strides this year. He has the discipline to stay in hte pocket unlike Mike Vick, but I think young qb's are learning the lesson not to neglect that because its come back to bite Mike Vick in the butt. Vince Young has the work ethic of an elite player + elite talent he is gonna be a stud.

The question is will teams be patient with him and let him sit on the bench for 1-2 years. He is not ready to start in the NFL; that much is sure. He may have more patience in the pocket than Vick but Vick had better passing mechanics than Young. Yes, that's right. Passing mechanics was never Vick's problem, it was his lack of patience in the pocket and ability to read defenses that have plagued him. Young needs a lot of work on his passing mechanics.

 

[ghst187]

ever give a thought to the immense talent he is surrounded by and how horrible the Big 12 is this year? UT has about 10 top 5 recruiting classes in a row with All Americans on their bench. The Big 12 was especially bad this year.
Maybe that has something to do with Young's success this year also?
I've watched most of UT's games this year and Young's scrambling ability does amaze me. He's an electrifying athlete. I just think his passing game still sucks. I still think he makes bad passing decisions and is confused by good defensive schemes and I haven't ever seen him effectively, consistently use a short or intermediate passing game.
But then again, I'm not jaded by UT homerism.
I feel pretty safe saying he'll never be an elite NFL QB. I really don't think he'll be a very good pro-QB.
Give me the guy who had to hang in the pocket, throw to his 3rd or 4th reciever, and rely on his brain over his athleticism to win games. That's the guy I want as QB.

 

[Cbz40]

OK..........Lets look at this article and be as objective as possibe......I'm a Longhorn homer (smile) and I will do my best at keeping my homerism in check.


Vince Young
2006 NFL Draft Prospect

from Matt Malott


Position: Quarterback
School: Texas

Status: Junior

Height: 6-5

Weight: 235

40-Yard Dash:


Positives:
In his three years at Texas, Vince has exhibited great speed and agility. This will be a great help to him in the NFL when he wants to escape the pocket, and will allow for more flexibility in the offense. His arm strength will allow him to make the throws that any NFL offense requires him to make.Sponsored Links
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Vince also has good footwork that he has worked on and improved over the past few years, which will help him to make any movements necessary in the pocket, and allow his throws to be a bit more accurate. Young also exhibits good leadership and poise, which will allow others to trust him on the field and help him in pressure situations.

Negatives:
The biggest knock on Young is his release point. He tends to release the ball from a sidearm, almost under his shoulder. This may cause several throws per game to be batted down at the line. Also due to his release point, Young is not as accurate as he could be on some of his throws. Another area of concern could be his decision making.

While he is improving, he still tends to try and force passes when there is another easier pass available. It also causes him to leave the pocket a bit prematurely. With the exception of his release point, all these problems should be easy fixes.

Overview:
While most people think that Vince won't be playing QB in the NFL, with the improvement he's made as a passer, he will be an NFL QB. His speed and agility will make him the second most feared running QB in the league, and his arm strength will allow him to make the throws he needs to.

He'll more than likely need to change his release point, otherwise he will more then likely have several balls batted down at the line. Depending on what other players come out this year, Young will more then likely be a top 20 pick as a QB



How long does it take to change a release point?????

With a player this talented.......I would not think it would take that long

 

[ghst187]

How long does it take to change a release point?????

With a player this talented.......I would not think it would take that long

hmmm, Drew Henson...?

 

[Hiero]

hmmm, Drew Henson...?

Vince Young didnt quit football to pursue another sport that he wasnt even good at. henson's future is in NFL Europe, not the NFL. Vince Young is a football player, and he has the work ethic to change things. I think they are two very different situations.

 

[Hiero]

top 20 pick, lets trade up a little bit and snatch him up. His mechanics will be fixed long before Bledsoe retires.

 

[SultanOfSix]

QB is one position I'm fairly certain that we won't be drafting.

 

[Cbz40]

hmmm, Drew Henson...?

Hmmmmmm......??? Young did not play baseball....

and I haven't given up on Henson ......yet