Leodis McKelvin

[theogt]

DRC wasn't average in CollegE? same goes for Jenkins and Flowers Cason was the flat out best CB in the draft. The others just got hype for measurables.

DRC and Jenkins were both much better in college than McKelvin.

Cason and Flowers were infinitely better in college -- against better competition.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

You can be a track star, but if you sucked in college at football, most likely you'll suck in the NFL at football.

there's alot that goes into that

you're problem is you take college production on the face-value, there's many things that attribute to it

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I think Fisher admitted he would have taken Felix instead of Johnson.

Yep, several sources said that.

Jerry played it just right.

 

[theogt]

there's alot that goes into that

you're problem is you take college production on the face-value, there's many things that attribute to it

Yeah, like the quality of competition. Oh, wait, that doesn't work in McKelvin's favor at all does it?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Yeah, like the quality of competition. Oh, wait, that doesn't work in McKelvin's favor at all does it?

again, that's face-value

you need to actually watch players, or read what people who have, see

corners and Dbacks are probably the worst position to use college production as a evaluator

 

[sago1]

Besides understand Jenkins looked pretty good in the OTA on Wednesday. I think he's got the balls and the speed to become a good starter CB for us when he's needed. I also like Scandrik; hopefully his eye heals quickly and he gets some good workouts in next week's OTAs.

 

[superpunk]

*senses epic meltdown...pricks up ears...prepares popcorn*

 

[Bob Sacamano]

*senses epic meltdown...pricks up ears...prepares popcorn*

there's a Goodell thread that involves theo and abersonc just down the road

that promises to be more epic lol

 

[theogt]

again, that's face-value

you need to actually watch players, or read what people who have, see

corners and Dbacks are probably the worst position to use college production as a evaluator

I read what other people say about players in the NFL. Actual coverage metrics tend to be a better gauge in my opinion.

Relying on other people's opinion rather than verifiable facts seems a bit silly to me. But go right ahead.

And defensive backs are one of the easiest transitions from college to NFL.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I read what other people say about players in the NFL. Actual coverage metrics tend to be a better gauge in my opinion.

Relying on other people's opinion rather than verifiable facts seems a bit silly to me. But go right ahead.

verifiable facts?

such as coverage metrics in college that depend on a number of things? but you haven't watched, so you have no idea what led to them?

And defensive backs are one of the easiest transitions from college to NFL.

that's not what I'm talking about

I would be more inclined to believe your "verifiable facts", if you produced some evidence from current NFL corners, and their college numbers

 

[theogt]

verifiable facts

#s that don't take into account the situation are not facts



that's not what I'm talking about

Okey doke.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

McKelvin was the #1 CB taken

can you explain that?

 

[theogt]

McKelvin was the #1 CB taken

can you explain that?

Explain what?

 

[AsthmaField]

I actually liked Jenkins about the best of all the corners. You can go back before the draft and I mentioned his name more than most of the other CB's. I did like McKelvin too though and wouldn't have been upset at all had we taken him.

I just think Jenkins translates well to the pros and that almost all of his negatives will be pretty easily corrected. He has all the physical tools you could ask for (Bob) and had great production in college (theo).

Felix would have been in Tennessee right now if we wouldn't have taken him at 22.

As for college production... I think that it should weigh pretty heavily into evaluating potential draftees.

Football is football (for the most part) and if you have trouble playing it in college, you will for sure in the NFL, IMO.

In other words... if a player has all these great physical tools to work with, why didn't he dominate all the college players who aren't great athletes? Maybe poor coaching? Then why do other players excell under that same coaching staff? Not used correctly? If he's such a great player, how could you not take advantage of him being so superior to the other players?

There are exceptions, of course... but if you look back at history, most of the great NFL players were also great college players. And to me that is the main point.

There have been many great college players who weren't great NFL players... however, there haven't been that many great NFL players who weren't also great college players. There are just too many intagibles that go into the NFL that you can't measure to simply throw away college productivity. If all that mattered was how much athleticism a player had, then you could use their combine numbers to be pretty precise in picking good players. But, heart, guts, instincts, etc. all are just as important (if not moreso) and therefore drafting is a hit and miss business. A business that you would be smart to look at how they played the game above almost all else.

I don't have time, but someone could make a list of all the great NFL players who didn't do that much in college and then make a list of great NFL players who were also very good in college and I bet the latter catagory would overwhelmingly have more players.

JMO, of course.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Explain what?

if that your theory is so sound, it was pretty much disregarded by reputed NFL scouts?

 

[theogt]

if that your theory is so sound, it was pretty much disregarded by reputed NFL scouts?

What is there to explain? They obviously base their opinion on something else. Perhaps they think they can coach him up to play better than he did in college.

To me, people with physical skills but limited football skills shouldn't be first rounders. Those are project players. Leodis McKelvin is very much a project player.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

McKelvin was the #1 CB taken

can you explain that?

can you e Donnie Avery being the #1 WR taken.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

can you e Donnie Avery being the #1 WR taken.

potential

system, he fits that system very well

 

[TheCount]

If he was still there at 22, they would have taken Felix. Jerry made up his mind he wanted Felix before the draft even started, they would have counted on one of the other guys being there for our 2nd 1st rounder just like they did.

 

[Future]

FWIW...my friend works as an assitant equip manager or soemthing for the Bills, so he has been on the field with a lot of the players and stuff.

Long story short, he said that McKelvin is an idiot and all the players make fun of him:laugh2: