Let me go on record about Hamlin

[Alexander]

If it came to that for 1 season, yes. Thats just how it works these days. Next season, someone else will get a bigger pay day and Hamlin will no longer be the highest paid safety in the NFL.

Precisely.

What would that matter? So he is the highest paid. Some teams have players like Tommy Kelly and Stacy Andrews among the league's highest paid and they aren't All Pros.

Play isn't proportionate to salary. If that were the case, Roy Williams would be earning his check and we wouldn't have to worry who plays alongside him. Hamlin's relative value to the team and his impact is what has to be judged and compensated.

It is unfortunate, but Hamlin is a must signing. More than Canty, more than anyone else still left on the table.

 

[Ren]

Hamlin walked into a perfect position with this team, used it to it's fullest and likely wants to be paid exponentially more than he ever woulda made had he not walked into the perfect storm provided him with our defense.

I do think he owes jerry, as a matter of fact.

Jerry got a very good player very cheap, if Hamlin gets injured last year that would probably have been it for him in the NFL. Don't for a minute think Hamlin got that better of that deal last year. You can't really fault a guy for wanting a long term deal (which i'm guessing would pay a lot less this year then the franchise tender) and not wanting to put his body at risk in OTAs while not under contract

 

[DCBoysfan]

If it came to that for 1 season, yes. Thats just how it works these days. Next season, someone else will get a bigger pay day and Hamlin will no longer be the highest paid safety in the NFL.

And realistically, I could care less what his contract looks like. As long as he has a reasonable cap number, who cares?

Total contract amount doesn't matter anymore because teams inflate the numbers just to boost the players pride. Take a look at Nate Clemens contract. He won't see a VERY LARGE portion of that contract because so much of it just voids if they release him with like 2 seasons left.

"Highest Paid Status" doesn't matter to me. If he has a cap friendly reasonable contract, I'm all for it. Even if that means he gets to be the hero for 1 season.

You made your point quicker than me, I was going to state the same thing. Next year another Safety will be the highest paid. From past contracts Jerry and Stephen are going to make it cap friendly just like the other contracts they have made. If you got good young players you keep them.

 

[JIMMYBUFFETT]

Crazy talk ! Hamlin is the QB of the secondary , the guy who gets our players lined up correctly , and more importantly a playmaker . Who cares what position he plays , or what his pay is ? Just realize that the guy was like 5th or 6th on the team in tackles last season , and had 5 ints . He's a terrific tackler , great in run support , and has good hands . You need him to get our young corners (Scandrick-Jenkins) and new additions (Pac-Man) lined up correctly . You need him to play run support in short yardage . You need him to be the smash mouth player that Roy Williams hasn't been .

 

[CATCH17]

Anyone remember when Hamlin lit up the Eagles TE Schoebel at the 1st of the game?

He just threw his body in there and broke up a pass that wouldve been a big gain.

 

[UKCowboysFan]

I guess the only worry is if you sign him to a long term deal, and then he becomes the next Roy and his performance level drops.

That said, it could happen to anyone on the team not just Hamlin.

For me, we have to get him signed and I'm happy that Stephem & Jerry will get him signed to the best possible deal for the Cowboys

 

[CowboysNumeroUno]

Hamlin's long term deal means he will be moved to strong safety in my opinion. Roy will be cut at some point and the transition will occur.

This is what I think will happen. Personally, I don't see Roy reinventing himself this season, so I think he's outta here. And I believe Hamlin could play SS just fine. The days of SS's like Roy Williams and John Lynch are over I believe.

I'd be nervous about lettin Hamlin see free agency next year because the price would be even higher. Then we might have to keep Roy after this year just because we wouldn't have any other safties with good experience.

 

[cobra]

Thanks for going on the record about this.

I was really worried we would be sitting here 5 years from now wondering what your position was on this and lamenting that it was committed to the dustbins of history for want of a record. What frightening uncertainty has been averted.

 

[DisabledMess]

What exactly happened to Roy Williams. Is he that bad? He tackles great. I know he gets destroyed in coverage but I thought they had him playing out of position.

 

[The Panch]

What exactly happened to Roy Williams. Is he that bad? He tackles great. I know he gets destroyed in coverage but I thought they had him playing out of position.

He plays himself out of position by taking horrible angles and blames it on everyone else.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Thanks for going on the record about this.

I was really worried we would be sitting here 5 years from now wondering what your position was on this and lamenting that it was committed to the dustbins of history for want of a record. What frightening uncertainty has been averted.

thanks for taking a healthy discussion and inserting your ignorance

 

[cobra]

thanks for taking a healthy discussion and inserting your ignorance

No, you're right. We really needed yet another thread on this--other than the multitude of ones already existing--because we needed YOUR OPINION. The rest of them were clearly deficient as they weren't specifically about what such an important person thinks, and we needed a thread dedicated to you going on the record about something that has been discussed to death. And here I am causing a blight on such a valuable thing. Mea culpa.

 

[DallasDomination]

What exactly happened to Roy Williams. Is he that bad? He tackles great. I know he gets destroyed in coverage but I thought they had him playing out of position.

That happened to Him. He get destroyed in coverage. And not only that, before he used to make up for it with shattering hits, big stops and tackles. Now He doesnt even do that.

 

[theogt]

so you would be OK with Ken Hamlin being the highest paid Safety in the NFL?

I'd be okay with him being paid as a top 5 safety in the league.

 

[Kilyin]

Kem Hamlin was truly a wrecking ball in Seattle. Think Roy Williams rookie year, but for more than one year (sorry, couldn't resist). Until he got that concussion, that is. I think 2007 was a major stepping stone for Hamlin. If he can return to his old form in 08 he is definitely a top 5 safety. The fact he made it through 07 relatively unscathed is a good omen.

I am pretty good friends with an avid Seattle fan (season ticket holder and never misses a home game barring extenuating circumstances) and he wasn't happy to see Hamlin leave.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

No, you're right. We really needed yet another thread on this--other than the multitude of ones already existing--because we needed YOUR OPINION. The rest of them were clearly deficient as they weren't specifically about what such an important person thinks, and we needed a thread dedicated to you going on the record about something that has been discussed to death. And here I am causing a blight on such a valuable thing. Mea culpa.

no one is holding a gun to your head and asking you to join the discussion...save the rest of us in this thread some time and excuse yourself

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Exactly. We finally get a pro-bowl caliber FS after years of struggling with the likes of Tony Dixon and sub-par mediocre play and we just want to let him walk out the door? Don't take players like Hamlin for granted.

there's a difference from pro bowl and All-Pro remember it.

 

[stealth]

Exactly. We finally get a pro-bowl caliber FS after years of struggling with the likes of Tony Dixon and sub-par mediocre play and we just want to let him walk out the door? Don't take players like Hamlin for granted.

I don't know if I have said this to you, or if anyone has, but that font really hurts my eyes. Literally I almost always gloss over your posts lately for that reason alone.

I read that whole post and ended up with a headache.

Not playing it up, its really that bad for me to read.

 

[JonJon]

I don't know if I have said this to you, or if anyone has, but that font really hurts my eyes. Literally I almost always gloss over your posts lately for that reason alone.

I read that whole post and ended up with a headache.

Not playing it up, its really that bad for me to read.

No offense taken. I'm changing it back.

 

[CCBoy]

I think that maybe we are missing some of the variables, that are involved in our beginning picture. First, the cornerback group consists of two starting quality players-Terence Newman and Anthony Henry. Next, you have two, potentially starter quality players awaiting a starting position-Adam Jones and Mike Jenkins. In addition to this, you have a very talented Scandrick.
That is a group of four strong and quality cornerbacks, that is usually occupied by three players of approximately equal abilities, in most cap era friendly secondaries. Maybe this IS a playoff push year...think?

Next, to the safety position...here, the Cowboys have two All Pro players-FS Ken Hamlin and SS Roy Williams. Behind these two, are Pat Watkins and Courtney Brown. ANYONE see an improvement from when we field Roy Williams and 'killer' Davis? For this season, the Cowboys have potentially, six players to fit the role of four positional requirements...problem?

The cap space for Hamlin has already been figured into cap computations, and there still is a very sizeable figure left. If the Cowboys want to sign Hamlin to a longer termed contract, the funds are available for that purpose. Hamlin well could be worth it. He proved last season, that he at the least, deserves a chance to prove his long termed projections. That doesn't include the present hagglings on projected market value...just his talent and how he fits into the Dallas system.

If the Cowboys do NO long termed contract, they still have until next season to make a decision on who stays and what expenses are to be cut. For starters, if Adam Jones lives up to expectations, Henry will need another position, for Jenkins is the 'future' at that positional consideration. That would then leave Hamlin, Williams, or yes, Hamlin as the exiting party. In the meantime, attitudes, adaptability, team support, and work...by all three, will tell the final story line, as to who stays and goes.

Just from the outside, unless Hamlin is resigned, or Williams or even Henry are released, there is going to be something of a numbers crunch come next season, involving Spears, Burnett, Colombo...and the remaining secondary person...who so ever is NOT productive this season. Just my thoughts...