Let's cut Dez

[CowboyRoy]

It seems to be a suggestion/plan that keeps gaining steam with some around here. I don't get it but let's explore it.

For starters, let's look at the cap implications. If you cut him in the 2018 league year, you take an $8MM dead cap hit but save $8.5MM. If you make him a June 1 designee, that's $4MM in dead money and $12.5MM in cap savings. More than likely, they would want the cap savings immediately because they will have holes to fill in FA.

Now let's look at roster implications.

Bryant is gone. Who is your #1 WR? The answer seems to be "Oh, just draft your new #1". This logic is folly on a few levels. For one, few WRs come in and immediately plant their flag as a legit #1 WR. Second, this isn't a strong draft in terms of WRs to begin with. There is no Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones, AJ Green, Dez Bryant type in this draft.

Oh, maybe we can just sign a FA WR. OK...... here are the Top 3 WRs in free agency - Pryor, Wallace and Watkins. Any of those three strike you as legit #1s? Maybe Pryor with his upside but he's going to cost you and eat up whatever cap savings you had with cutting Bryant. And are you really better off with Pryor over Bryant? This might work IF you could get Pryor on a one year deal like Washington has. Little risk in that if he doesn't improve you have no long term implications but I am not sure he makes you better than if you had Bryant.

So I am fascinated by this cut Dez talk. I truly would love to see the plan some of you have come up with that involves cutting Dez and yet still improving the WR corps.

You guys have to get off the "it wont help us immediately train". Chances of winning the SB are slim every year. Cant run your team like your winning the SB every year. You just have to do whats best for the team overall and move forward.

I agree cutting Dez would be a step in the right direction moving on. But I would doubt Jerry would do it. He loves Dez like he loves Garrett.

 

[Sydla]

I think you omitted a pretty good option in Davonte Adams.

He continues to improve and is far outpacing Dez Bryant right now, despite losing arguably the best quarterback in the league.

He's still very young too.

I completely missed him on my list of FAs.

Big fan but why would GB let him walk?

 

[CowboyRoy]

I don't think many, if any, are foolish enough to "think he sucks" or that it is "all on Dez".

But the fact is that the team isn't getting close to the return on investment for the contract. And when that happens, any organization would at least consider doing something to change it.

Spend the money in FA resigning guys or outside the team for a DE, safety, corner, LB. I would even spend some on a veteran WR.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I'd rather restructure the contract. Watch All-22 and you will see Dez running good routes and teams being very conscious of him on the field.

We still need for Dez and Dak to get on the same page and Dez needs to get his catching technique back (it's been a bad year for Derek Dooley). And it doesn't help that neither Witten nor Williams are receiving threats anymore. Williams isn't a threat to force a double and Witten is too slow to effectively run combo routes with Dez.

I'd rather draft a receiver that is a legitimate deep threat and that way we could start to better transition away from Dez next season instead of cutting him off completely now when he still has plenty of tread left on the tire. If there is no progression, then we can cut ties with Dez and have the draft pick to take over as the X-receiver.




YR

 

[Stash]

I completely missed him on my list of FAs.

Big fan but why would GB let him walk?

Cap constraints. As well as the fact that they're already paying Nelson and Cobb good money.

 

[Supercowboy1986]

Asking for a TLDR is offensive, apparently.

I stopped.

TL;DR?

 

[Stash]

I'd rather restructure the contract. Watch All-22 and you will see Dez running good routes and teams being very conscious of him on the field.

We still need for Dez and Dak to get on the same page and Dez needs to get his catching technique back (it's been a bad year for Derek Dooley). And it doesn't help that neither Witten nor Williams are receiving threats anymore. Williams isn't a threat to force a double and Witten is too slow to effectively run combo routes with Dez.

I'd rather draft a receiver that is a legitimate deep threat and that way we could start to better transition away from Dez next season instead of cutting him off completely now when he still has plenty of tread left on the tire. If there is no progression, then we can cut ties with Dez and have the draft pick to take over as the X-receiver.




YR

I'd rather restructure the contract too. But knowing the emotional person and player that Dez is, I'm not sure he would handle any request to do that well, but rather see it as an insult.

Let's face it, he's certainly voiced his frustrations over not getting enough action. Now exo citing him to take a paycut for something he doesn't feel is his fault?

I'm not optimistic things would go well.

 

[Ranching]

It seems to be a suggestion/plan that keeps gaining steam with some around here. I don't get it but let's explore it.

For starters, let's look at the cap implications. If you cut him in the 2018 league year, you take an $8MM dead cap hit but save $8.5MM. If you make him a June 1 designee, that's $4MM in dead money and $12.5MM in cap savings. More than likely, they would want the cap savings immediately because they will have holes to fill in FA.

Now let's look at roster implications.

Bryant is gone. Who is your #1 WR? The answer seems to be "Oh, just draft your new #1". This logic is folly on a few levels. For one, few WRs come in and immediately plant their flag as a legit #1 WR. Second, this isn't a strong draft in terms of WRs to begin with. There is no Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones, AJ Green, Dez Bryant type in this draft.

Oh, maybe we can just sign a FA WR. OK...... here are the Top 3 WRs in free agency - Pryor, Wallace and Watkins. Any of those three strike you as legit #1s? Maybe Pryor with his upside but he's going to cost you and eat up whatever cap savings you had with cutting Bryant. And are you really better off with Pryor over Bryant? This might work IF you could get Pryor on a one year deal like Washington has. Little risk in that if he doesn't improve you have no long term implications but I am not sure he makes you better than if you had Bryant.

So I am fascinated by this cut Dez talk. I truly would love to see the plan some of you have come up with that involves cutting Dez and yet still improving the WR corps.

If we cut him, he signs with GB, NE or Philly and goes to the pro bowl, if not the SB. Imo.

 

[vlad]

I'd love to see what other top WRs would do in our scheme, running plays that seemingly seem to not help our WRs get open. Outside of maybe Brown who is just a freak, maybe Julio or Hopkins I suspect the results would not be too different. Of course I could be wrong...but aren't all our WRs having down years? My 2 cents.

Dak just isn't ready, and he may never be that type of QB, to overcome this scheme and have this passing game perform like it once did (even when Zeke is back). That doesn't mean he sucks or anything, but he may not be that Rivers/Romo/Rodgers, etc type of QB passing wise.

 

[LittleD]

I’d be flabbergasted if Dez was cut this off season.

I wouldn't. I would sense that maybe the FO is growing a brain.

 

[big dog cowboy]

You don't cut Dez you cut that horrible contract in half.

 

[LittleD]

I'd love to see what other top WRs would do in our scheme, running plays that seemingly seem to not help our WRs get open. Outside of maybe Brown who is just a freak, maybe Julio or Hopkins I suspect the results would not be too different. Of course I could be wrong...but aren't all our WRs having down years? My 2 cents.

Dak just isn't ready, and he may never be that type of QB, to overcome this scheme and have this passing game perform like it once did (even when Zeke is back). That doesn't mean he sucks or anything, but he may not be that Rivers/Romo/Rodgers, etc type of QB passing wise.

Dak may never be a pinpoint passer. He need WR and TE that can create separation cause he doesn't like to take any risks. A couple of speedy TE's would be nice who can scare the defense.

 

[LittleD]

You don't cut Dez you cut that horrible contract in half.

Most players don't take paycuts and especially someone like Dez. Time to trade him if you can and cut him if you can't.

 

[Stash]

If we cut him, he signs with GB, NE or Philly and goes to the pro bowl, if not the SB. Imo.

Do you actually think that any of those team you mentioned would mentioned would sign him?

 

[Sydla]

Cap constraints. As well as the fact that they're already paying Nelson and Cobb good money.

Per Over the Cap, they will have $42MM in cap space in 2018. They don't have cap contraints.

 

[Stash]

Most players don't take paycuts and especially someone like Dez. Time to trade him if you can and cut him if you can't.

Nobody's trading for that contract. Not when they can clearly see the returns aren't there.

 

[Sydla]

Do you actually think that any of those team you mentioned would mentioned would sign him?

Philly doesn't have the space.

GB has the space but would likely just want to keep their guy in Adams

I could see NE taking a flier on him. Cooks and Bryant as the top 2 WRs? That offense would be legendary.

 

[Sydla]

Nobody's trading for that contract. Not when they can clearly see the returns aren't there.

The problem with this logic is that you just assume the returns aren't there because of Dez.

Maybe the returns aren't there because of other factors?

Something tells me if Bryant were playing in NE or Philly or LA Rams, people wouldn't be worrying about his lack of return on investment.

 

[Longboysfan]

Cut - No.

Restructure - Yes.

 

[CyberB0b]

The problem with this logic is that you just assume the returns aren't there because of Dez.

Maybe the returns aren't there because of other factors?

Something tells me if Bryant were playing in NE or Philly or LA Rams, people wouldn't be worrying about his lack of return on investment.

We can play fantasy land all we want, but it appears that Dak is the QB for the long haul, and that Garrett has a seemingly lifetime contract. As long as these are the facts, then Dez isn't a good fit and he hasn't been productive here in a LONG time.