Let's get this Jerry thing right out in the open
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BrAinPaiNt;1418817 said:
Yeah the Jones bashing gets old....he only:
Traded a 1st round MVP player pick for Joey Galloway
Wanted Quincy Carter to quarterback our team...the guy couldnt throw!
Then he goes and gets another pitcher who doesnt know when the passrush is coming and is out of the league too!
Then he goes and gets another baseball player who is terrible also!
oh,,,parcells wanted romo....he's a probowler....
went and got Eddie George who stated that from his own mouth, i heard him, he was on the radio...heard it with my own ears
went and drafted Carver, then Ekuban in the 1ST ROUND!
AND BY THE WAY HAVE YOU EVER SEEN HIS 1ST ROUND PICKS AFTER JIMMY? did you ever go back and look at the drafts! i mean come on...thats all you have to do...we have the least amount of players that were drafted in the 1st round on our team when parcells got here...it was like 2 out of 10!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!years
AND THE PROBLEM HERE IS THIS: you guys think that Jerry is going to be some different person, well he's not! You will see...once he starts reaching for some player that no one wants that high you will see, the old jerry is back....well he never left thats the problem...he wants to know what to do...but he just doesnt...the only thing he has ever done that was good was hiring jimmah and bill....and they arent here anymore! so what do you think, looking at his track record, is going to happen now? be serious and dont answer like a fan...answer like a realist....thats right, we had better win something now before the players parcells got in here get old or it's back to 6-10 ville!
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STSINAZ;1418979 said:
you're right. NO ONE has said jones has not made his mistakes. what we HAVE said is:
he isn't going anywhere regardless of how much you whine
he's done some good things too, regardless of how you want to overlook them.
you're likely one who said he'd NEVER hire a real coach, yet he did in parcells.
now you blow that by and say it's the "old jones" all over again EVEN THOUGH he did something you said he'd never do.
THE PROBLEM IS THIS:
you and bbboy seem to think jones is open game and fair play to your own inferiority complexes where you seem to feel better about your own lives by bagging on jones left and right. if you'd balance your views and work to see BOTH SIDES to jones, much of this "Crap for Convo" would fade because THEN we'd be having rational discussion.
instead you two get this "my way or the highway" crapitude going on and then BB lobs out insults left and right and then cries when one comes back and hos/bp and the rest feel the need to hijack the thead to end the endless stupidity.
the "jones lovers" are not defending jones - he doesn't need that. but we are attacking what we view to be points of view that seem based in a willing ingorance.
you can hate jones all you want - he's going NOWHERE. if you hate him as much as you do - go find another team that's full of winners and let's all be happy.
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Bill wanted Vinnie ...... then wanted Drew Bledsoe ....
Bill wanted Ritchie Anderson ..... then wanted JJ
Bill could not find a lineman too draft in 4 years .... Jerry drafted Larry Allen , Flozell Aams, Andre Gurode ......
Jerry has 3 Superbowl rings as a GM ...... his resume speaks for itself.
He has learned from his mistakes and moved on ...... why dont you?
Bill wanted Ritchie Anderson ..... then wanted JJ
Bill could not find a lineman too draft in 4 years .... Jerry drafted Larry Allen , Flozell Aams, Andre Gurode ......
Jerry has 3 Superbowl rings as a GM ...... his resume speaks for itself.
He has learned from his mistakes and moved on ...... why dont you?
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STSINAZ;1418979 said:
Since 2002 the best you can come up with is he signed Eddie George to a one year cheap deal. His first rounders since then have been the likes of Roy Williams and Demarcus Ware.
Noone on earth can say that Jones didnt suck from 1994-2001 but quit living in 6 years ago.
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STSINAZ;1419023 said:
i'm talking ignorant in hopes you'll understand me. not sure i can drop much lower.
if you want to have a serious convo, leave the drama-fied thread titles at the door. you act as if everyone in here has refused to talk about jones, good bad and ugly. time to get WHAT out in the open?
nothing new here you discuss but you want to act like this is all earth shattering news.
jones has made mistakes.
he's done some pretty damn good things too.
sounds like a LOT of gm's and/or people in the world. we simply won't know *which* jones we have - 10 years ago or 5 years ago when he hired BP, yet you and bb want to assume he's his same old self. hell, in the last 10 years I'M not even the same person so it's just ignorance in motion to think jones, or just about anyone else would be.
let's see what jones does and not assume that just because he did it, it's wrong. that's what gets so old.
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FuzzyLumpkins;1419037 said:
oh there were other problems...look at TO, what a joke he is....who brought him in? not bp,,,but jerrah...and giving gurode 10 mill up front and 18.75 to davis is ridiculous! stupid money....you will see, the old jerrah will be back...front and center...mark it down!
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STSINAZ;1419061 said:
right where we should "book it" where BP will stay and TO will go? you're pretty damn good at these "mark it down's" of yours.
how much did parcells pay flo?
who picked peterman and rogers?
who couldn't pick an OLman in 4+ years
who couldn't win a playoff game in 4 years despite total control being his?
see, we can all pick out the bad of any situation but it's just stupid to sit there and say ONLY the bad is what counts for someone. i HATED parcells but i was focused on a few areas of my own concern and gave him full credit for the rest of his accomplishments.
the only thing you can "book" is there will always be posters like you and bb who think their opinions are more than that and there will always be people like zrin and myself who will call you on it.
the rest is just speculation and talk. only difference is *we* realize that.
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silverbear;1418279 said:
Wow, is there anything you WON'T brag about?
Some enterprising blogger was going to pay someone to do a write up for his mom and pop blog about the Cowboys, and he finds an ego-maniac that will do it for free?? Wow, you must be honored. I can just imagine what his conversation to a friend was like:
Enterprising blogger: "Dude, I was going to pay someone 100$ American to do a write-up for my football blog that I am trying to get off the ground, but I found this sucker that will do it for free."
Friend: "Why the hell would someone do that?"
Enterprising blogger: "Well, I offered him some cash but he insisted that he just wanted to be able to brag about it on the internet because he has an enormous ego that is insatiable."
Friend: "LOL SCORE!"
Enterprising blogger: "I know, it's like I won a free tank of gas or something. It will look like I have a staff of writers working for my blog, and it doesn't even cost me anything."
Friend: "Thank God for emotionally needy people on the internet."
Wow man, you really must know your stuff if you are writing for an unkown blogger in England about the Cowboys....... much respect. *I wish you could see me rolling my eyes*
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bbgun;1418854 said:
Seriously this is funny
Lets look at some of your "justifiable" criticism
This is just a smapling that does not include other bashings for signings, etc. Also does not include his incessant whining that Jerry was only a check writer for jimmy and parcells (even though he blames Jerry for Parcells being hired and for Parcells draft picks) And does not include his calling everyone names who dares suggest Jerry is not satan
But seriously my favorite parts are his flip flopping on Phillips and expecting people to take him serious
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STSINAZ;1419061 said:
As for Gurode look at what Bentley got last year and still tell me it was a bad deal.
As for Davis the pricetag was high but it was exactly market value for a starting RG in FA. For a starting LT it is an absolute steal.
And TO's deal is structured such that we can cut our losses easily. He only led the league in TDs and gained over 1000 yards.
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STSINAZ;1419061 said:
Did any of the "Jokes" that BP brought here in his 4 years lead the league in anything?
Vinnie
Richie
Key
Drew
Marcus
Marco
ect ect .......
T.O. had the best year from a Cowboys Wideout since Mike Irvin in his prime ........ The only thing any of Bill rejects led the league in was sacks and interceptions ....
Yet he is a joke ......
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Is this your lame version of "Punked"? You think you "got" me? Maybe caught me in some lies or double standards? Nothing better to do than comb the archives fishing for evidence of so-called "hypocrisy"? No sale, Opie.
Every Jerry critique is perfectly justifiable. Hell, it's echoed in offices around the league and by journalists who write about the game for a living. Jerry as
"incompetent, well-meaning GM" is hardly a well-kept secret. And as usual, you glide over, truncate, or flat out misrepresent the posts where I extend him credit. Tons of people here preferred one more year of Bill to Wade or Norv, so that puts me solidly in the CZ majority. Wade = the best of a bad situation. That's why I reluctantly signed off. Had Cowher or Fisher been available, however, Wade would never have been on the radar. Bill's sudden retirement put Jerry behind the 8-ball, and this was the result. Despite his journeyman status, Wade's hiring is not an occasion for optimism or depression. It's a "wait and see" moment at best. That's hardly a heretical statement. BTW, "uninspiring and underwhelming" is not the same as "I hope you tank."
Jerry should be criticized for unnecessarily extending Roy and Bradie. He should be criticized for swearing off drafting a kicker with a semi-high pick. He should be criticized for overpaying career mediocrities like Gurode or Davis. Isn't Jerry the same guy who bragged to Dale about being a risk-taker? Just because you blew it with Bill or Vandy doesn't mean you have to go cheap. He's done that at QB and just look at the wreckage. If he's screwing up as a GM, I have a right (duty?) to point that out. Don't like it? Then recuse yourself from the thread. Jerry can fight his own battles.
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bbgun;1419216 said:
The difference is that no matter what jones does you will always view it negatively. You are not objective in any way shape or form and regardless of your bluster everyone here knows that.
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iceberg;1418834 said:
Nah...it's dead.
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WV Cowboy;1418855 said:I'm not even gonna ask how you know this ?
I doubt Jerry gets his plastic surgeon to do that area...but who knows, Jerry is one rich cat.
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Here is an idea.
For those that don't like BBGuns takes and tend to be on one side of the fence...and only those guys...
Write a post of all the things you think Jerry Screwed up since Jimmy left.
No good things, just the things that he screwed up since Jimmy left.
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Now BBGun or others that always negative against Jerry.
Write a post with all of the things you think Jerry did right since Jimmy Left.
No bad things, no compliments with BUT or HOWEVER and such...Just the things you consider to be good.
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By doing those things, the opposite of what posters would normally say (either mostly positive or negative) it should be interesting to see.
It may even come to a conclusion that although you guys argue like cats and dogs you may find some common ground even if there are other areas you will never agree about. It will also be a good exercise to see just how objective you can be since it would go against the grain of what you normally post.
So there it is...call it a challenge if you want. Nobody really wins anything but it should be a good exercise and interesting to the rest of us.
So...if you guys got the time to waste...go for it.
For those that don't like BBGuns takes and tend to be on one side of the fence...and only those guys...
Write a post of all the things you think Jerry Screwed up since Jimmy left.
No good things, just the things that he screwed up since Jimmy left.
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Now BBGun or others that always negative against Jerry.
Write a post with all of the things you think Jerry did right since Jimmy Left.
No bad things, no compliments with BUT or HOWEVER and such...Just the things you consider to be good.
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By doing those things, the opposite of what posters would normally say (either mostly positive or negative) it should be interesting to see.
It may even come to a conclusion that although you guys argue like cats and dogs you may find some common ground even if there are other areas you will never agree about. It will also be a good exercise to see just how objective you can be since it would go against the grain of what you normally post.
So there it is...call it a challenge if you want. Nobody really wins anything but it should be a good exercise and interesting to the rest of us.
So...if you guys got the time to waste...go for it.