Let's get this Jerry thing right out in the open

[BigDFan5]

Is this your lame version of "Punked"? You think you "got" me? Maybe caught me in some lies or double standards? Nothing better to do than comb the archives fishing for evidence of so-called "hypocrisy"? No sale, Opie.

I DID catch you being a hypocrite, and showed you for what you were.

Every Jerry critique is perfectly justifiable. Hell, it's echoed in offices around the league and by journalists who write about the game for a living. Jerry as
"incompetent, well-meaning GM" is hardly a well-kept secret.

No not "every" critique is justifiable there are people who will rail on Jerry for people that Bill drafted or rail on him for hiring a coach they "like" for no reason other than hate you arent justified you are someone who likes to take unpopular opinions to stir the board

And as usual, you glide over, truncate, or flat out misrepresent the posts where I extend him credit.

I posted links to everything I showed I misrepresented nothing, you dont give him credit for anything. The one example you showed was a backhanded compliment and that was AFTER you had bashed Jerry for hiring wade in other posts :laugh1:

Tons of people here preferred one more year of Bill to Wade or Norv, so that puts me solidly in the CZ majority. Wade = the best of a bad situation. That's why I reluctantly signed off.

Oh now you "reluctantly" signed off LOL. You bashed jerry at every turn for the move then you tried to use that same move as something you credited Jerry for. Hypocrite thy name is bbboy

Had Cowher or Fisher been available, however, Wade would never have been on the radar. Bill's sudden retirement put Jerry behind the 8-ball, and this was the result.

Why are you bringing up hypotheticals?

Despite his journeyman status, Wade's hiring is not an occasion for optimism or depression. It's a "wait and see" moment at best. That's hardly a heretical statement. BTW, "uninspiring and underwhelming" is not the same as "I hope you tank."

It is a reason for optimism, but you didnt take your own adfvice, you didnt "wait and see" you bashed Jerry for the hiring



Jerry should be criticized for unnecessarily extending Roy and Bradie.
So he should have let them go into free agency where they would have made more money?? I am suuuure you wouldnt have bashed him for that lol

He should be criticized for swearing off drafting a kicker with a semi-high pick.

Semi high? 2nd and 3rd? those ARE high picks, and 99% of people would disagree with you about selecting a kicker that high especially rd 2

He should be criticized for overpaying career mediocrities like Gurode or Davis.

So he should be criticized for locking up a pro bowl player for a contract that is below market value? Or signing a pro bowl alternate to a market contract? maybe in your world where everything is wrong

Isn't Jerry the same guy who bragged to Dale about being a risk-taker? Just because you blew it with Bill or Vandy doesn't mean you have to go cheap.

and it also doesnt mean screw up and take a kicker in rd 2 does it, How many teams have ever done that and how did it work out?

He's done that at QB and just look at the wreckage.

we ended up with a pro bowl QB out of it, took a few years but at least we didnt blow a huge contract on a top pick which you KNOW you would criticize him for

If he's screwing up as a GM, I have a right (duty?) to point that out. Don't like it? Then recuse yourself from the thread. Jerry can fight his own battles.

Problem is you are not honest bbboy, you have no honest criticism you have hate and dare I say envy for Jerry.

You blast him for smart moves like resigning young pro bowlers instead of letting them walk

You blast him for upgrading the OLine

You blast him for hiring a coach and then later decide you agree with the hire and try to use that as saying you gave him credit for the move you already blasted.


Face it BB there is nothing honest about your criticism, you are Dale Hansens sheep, whatever he says is wrong you repeat.

 

[BigDFan5]

The difference is that no matter what jones does you will always view it negatively. You are not objective in any way shape or form and regardless of your bluster everyone here knows that.

 

[BigDFan5]

Here is an idea.

For those that don't like BBGuns takes and tend to be on one side of the fence...and only those guys...

Write a post of all the things you think Jerry Screwed up since Jimmy left.

No good things, just the things that he screwed up since Jimmy left.


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Now BBGun or others that always negative against Jerry.

Write a post with all of the things you think Jerry did right since Jimmy Left.

No bad things, no compliments with BUT or HOWEVER and such...Just the things you consider to be good.

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By doing those things, the opposite of what posters would normally say (either mostly positive or negative) it should be interesting to see.

It may even come to a conclusion that although you guys argue like cats and dogs you may find some common ground even if there are other areas you will never agree about. It will also be a good exercise to see just how objective you can be since it would go against the grain of what you normally post.


So there it is...call it a challenge if you want. Nobody really wins anything but it should be a good exercise and interesting to the rest of us.

So...if you guys got the time to waste...go for it.

why would we be discounting Jerrys, most successful years as GM?

 

[zrinkill]

Here is an idea.

For those that don't like BBGuns takes and tend to be on one side of the fence...and only those guys...

Write a post of all the things you think Jerry Screwed up since Jimmy left.

No good things, just the things that he screwed up since Jimmy left.

I will play

1. Taking Aikmans side against Gailey (though I would have prolly done the same)

2. Hiring Campo who was not ready to be a head coach.

3. Trading 2 number ones for Joey Galloway ..... (another deal of him desperately trying to surround Aikman with weapons before he was done)

4. Reaching for needs instead of drafting BPA

5. Allowing Bill Parcells to bring in to many of his old worn out players ....... only one worked out longterm.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

why would we be discounting Jerrys, most successful years as GM?

Because it is against your nature and shows you can be objective.

ANYONE that says Jerry has done all bad or all good in that time...is NOT objective and no better than those they are railing against.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I will play

1. Taking Aikmans side against Gailey (though I would have prolly done the same)

2. Hiring Campo who was not ready to be a head coach.

3. Trading 2 number ones for Joey Galloway ..... (another deal of him desperately trying to surround Aikman with weapons before he was done)

4. Reaching for needs instead of drafting BPA

5. Allowing Bill Parcells to bring in to many of his old worn out players ....... only one worked out longterm.

Good job and I agree with those takes.

Now you can bookmark this post so later down the road when BBGun, I or anyone else says you never criticize Jerry Jones for anything you can bring up this post.

 

[BigDFan5]

Because it is against your nature and shows you can be objective.

ANYONE that says Jerry has done all bad or all good in that time...is NOT objective and no better than those they are railing against.

I have already stated he made plenty of mistakes, I can list them too, my point is why should bbgun and them be excluded from using what is obviously Jerrys most successful years, I can even name some bad moves from that period

 

[zrinkill]

Good job and I agree with those takes.

Now you can bookmark this post so later down the road when BBGun, I or anyone else says you never criticize Jerry Jones for anything you can bring up this post.

I left out not making it work with Jimmy ...... although I am sure that was both of them.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I left out not making it work with Jimmy ...... although I am sure that was both of them.

Yes that was a tango of egos there.
Jimmy was talking about leaving before that because he wanted to be back in florida.

 

[bbgun]

Because it is against your nature and shows you can be objective.

ANYONE that says Jerry has done all bad or all good in that time...is NOT objective and no better than those they are railing against.

Thanks, but I'm done with this bizarre thread. I could give Jerry 60% of the credit for the glory days and 40% to Jimmy, but it wouldn't help us right now--which is the whole point. Jerry is like the 1990 Encyclopedia Salesman of the Year who, despite not selling anything in years, still expects to get the corner office and company car. In other words, out to lunch. But why should he worry? After all, he can't be fired, and the fawning sheep have his back. Hopefully, Stephen won't be as deluded as his old man.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I have already stated he made plenty of mistakes, I can list them too, my point is why should bbgun and them be excluded from using what is obviously Jerrys most successful years, I can even name some bad moves from that period

BBgun and the negative posters are to post out the good areas.

It is not a onesided thing here.

I think you are more in love with the idea of going after BBGun than just listing it here and now for all to see.

Up to you if you want to do it or not...nobody is saying you have to do it.

 

[BigDFan5]

To answer the question without using hindsight 20/20 things I thought were bad when they happened

Hiring Campo

Letting Jimmy leave

selecting backups early in the draft (sherman williams)

getting rid of Gailey to soon


hanging on or resigning aging vets (being to loyal)

refusing to rebuild in the late 90s instead trying for one more run

 

[BigDFan5]

Thanks, but I'm done with this bizarre thread. I could give Jerry 60% of the credit for the glory days and 40% to Jimmy, but it wouldn't help us right now--which is the whole point. Jerry is like the 1990 Encyclopedia Salesman of the Year who, despite not selling anything in years, still expects to get the corner office and company car. In other words, out to lunch. But why should he worry? After all, he can't be fired, and the fawning sheep have his back. Hopefully, Stephen won't be as deluded as his old man.

So BP challenges you to say something nice about Jerry and give him credit so you leave the thread? lol

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Thanks, but I'm done with this bizarre thread. I could give Jerry 60% of the credit for the glory days and 40% to Jimmy, but it wouldn't help us right now--which is the whole point. Jerry is like the 1990 Encyclopedia Salesman of the Year who, despite not selling anything in years, still expects to get the corner office and company car. In other words, out to lunch. But why should he worry? After all, he can't be fired, and the fawning sheep have his back. Hopefully, Stephen won't be as deluded as his old man.

Well it seems you are going to be just what they claim you to be...non objective and nobody has brought that judgment on you but yourself.

Furthermore I said AFTER jimmy.

Why is it so hard for you to just list the good things? You know you don't have to and you know contrary to what you may think...It won't kill you either.

 

[bbgun]

Well it seems you are going to be just what they claim you to be...non objective and nobody has brought that judgment on you but yourself.

Furthermore I said AFTER jimmy.

Why is it so hard for you to just list the good things? You know you don't have to and you know contrary to what you may think...It won't kill you either.

Asked and answered. I gave you the link to the great owner/businessman post. Time to move on.

 

[jackrussell]

yea, it gets old. the jones bashing gets old but it doesn't stop.

Well ya see this is where that karma thing you like to talk about comes back to bite you in the rear....after 4 years as being the most bashing whiner about Bill Parcells, could this not be looked upon as your just reward?

I mean really, who could have hated Parcells anymore than you, and who could obviously hate Jones as much as these guys?

Could it be that the hate you're showing each other could be a result of the realization that you all are mirror images of one another?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Well ya see this is where that karma thing you like to talk about comes back to bite you in the rear....after 4 years as being the most bashing whiner about Bill Parcells, could this not be looked upon as your just reward?

I mean really, who could have hated Parcells anymore than you, and who could obviously hate Jones as much as these guys?

Could it be that the hate you're showing each other could be a result of the realization that you all are mirror images of one another?

I may have to take some of the blame for that...see the line above my avatar.

:laugh1:

 

[zrinkill]

Well ya see this is where that karma thing you like to talk about comes back to bite you in the rear....after 4 years as being the most bashing whiner about Bill Parcells, could this not be looked upon as your just reward?

I mean really, who could have hated Parcells anymore than you, and who could obviously hate Jones as much as these guys?

Could it be that the hate you're showing each other could be a result of the realization that you all are mirror images of one another?

Yay!! a post whining about the whiners who whine about the whiners.

Surprised there was not a T.O. shot in there somewhere .......

 

[silverbear]

Ad hominem attack

Actually, it's merely a reflection of reality...

Impugning the motives of others

So, you're saying you DON'T hate Jerry??

Yeah, RIIIIIIIIGGGGGHHHTTTTTT...

 

[silverbear]

Gee Ice, I had no idea I had gotten to you like this. Calling me out in thread after thread is flattering, but also kinda stalkerish. Could you use some "down time" at Bellevue? Is your "icy" exterior suffering from the effects of global warming? Did you subscribe to Bear's "Alienate Everyone in 30 Days" audiotape series?

Chuckle... YOU'RE the one who has alienated everyone, and you did it in considerably less than 30 days...

The problem with Jerry's flying monkeys

AD HOMINEM ALERT!!!! AD HOMINEM ALERT!!!!

Hypocrisy, thy initials are "bb"...

is that they only hear the criticisms. I could repeat ad nauseam that Jerry is a great owner (he is) and a savvy businessman (he is) but it matters not. If I gave Jerry 51% of the credit for the glory days, the stooges would wonder why I didn't give him 52.[/quote]

ROTFLMAO... just one little problem with that specious theory-- you have repeatedly refused to give Jerry ANY credit for the "glory days"...