Let's talk offensive line needs

[Animosity]

Didn't our RB have 100 yards rushing in the first quarter?

Keep making excuses for Romo sucking

 

[jterrell]

So if one of the current starters goes down who have we got to replace him that's in anyway likely to be good?

We have so many holes on this team that the first two rounds should be BPA.

Forcing a pick rarely ever turns out well.

The top interior back up is Costa. He's hardly great but he is a better player than we have starting at Safety or LB other than Sean Lee.
I'd like to bring Waters back and I'd be fine with a mid-round value pick at OG.
But the incredulously silly OL focus is a hilarious agenda that has always been misplaced.

We've been investing top picks along the OL and we keep going 8-8.

This team does not need to get bigger, it needs to get better.
Especially covering people.

 

[DCBoysfan]

We need 2 guards imo

I can see this, I think the jury is still out on Leary.

 

[Verdict]

Waters is going to be expensive. You could draft a guard in the first two rounds and probably get a guy who can start at guard, and save you a boatload of cap space. You might even get a guy in the third or fourth round who can start at guard in his rookie year, depending on if a player slides or the depth of the position in the draft.

 

[jterrell]

It's really as simple as that. We all agree we have to defend the pass better. It's just that some think you do that by compiling the world's most expensive secondary. It'll never work. If we had a real football mind in the front office we would have never attempted it.

Do you just like posting stupid things that aren't even close to factually true?

The Cowboys secondary is ONE expensive player. ONE.
Claiborne is the 25th highest paid CB.
Scandrick is the 29th highest paid CB in football.

Church is the 48th highest paid Safety.
Wilcox is at 102.
Heath is at 136.

So *** are you talking about???

The Seahawks have Safeties making REAL money. And they have a great coverage defense because of it.
The Panthers have a 5m a year Safety.

Dallas isn't throwing lots of money at its DBs.
They overpaid ONE guy because they were so bad and completely ignored Safety.

But OL??? They have a franchise LT who was a top 10 pick.
A 1st round OC.
A HIGHLY paid RT.
They have added veteran free agents like Bern and Waters....

And you are really talking about overpaying DBs???

The DL is the issue right???
***??? Are you delusional?
Spencer is making 10m.
Ware makes 12m a year.
Ratliff was making 8m.
Dallas has more cap money spent on DL than ANY team in the NFL.
VERY likely more than nay NFL team has EVER spent on it's DL.

 

[Alexander]

Waters is going to be expensive. You could draft a guard in the first two rounds and probably get a guy who can start at guard, and save you a boatload of cap space. You might even get a guy in the third or fourth round who can start at guard in his rookie year, depending on if a player slides or the depth of the position in the draft.

Even if Waters came dirt cheap, a 37 year old guard is not going to be someone you put a lot of stock into performing at a high level, especially coming off an injury.

That said, Bernadeau has played just well enough I can easily see them bypassing the need for an upgrade.

We usually try to plug the leak that is gushing the most water.

 

[Nexx]

draft should be dline, oline, dline first 3 picks. could have been dline dline dline if we didnt waste a pick on escobscrub

 

[jterrell]

Waters is going to be expensive. You could draft a guard in the first two rounds and probably get a guy who can start at guard, and save you a boatload of cap space. You might even get a guy in the third or fourth round who can start at guard in his rookie year, depending on if a player slides or the depth of the position in the draft.

Waters is a Pro Bowl caliber player you have the inside track on.
And he isn't that expensive.

This team needs answers at 5 or 6 positions on defense and that's not even beginning to address really restructuring the defense by cutting anyone.

The early draft should be about getting quality players that can walk in and start for us and save us money.
After the first few rounds you just take BPA because we can use depth and development everywhere.

But the thought their needs to be any special focus on OL is as football stupid as it gets.

 

[Idgit]

Please stop with OL talk.
Of the units on this team. OL is very near the bottom in terms of need.

Can we better there? Sure. But as we look ahead we are far worse just about everywhere else.
DL? Worse
LB? Worse
RB corps? Worse
WR corps? Worse
Safeties? Far worse

BUT BUT BUT OMG we need two guards.
No, we don't. Bern has been a top 20 rated OG this year and he was on the friggin bench.
It would be REALLY nice to get Waters back next year for a full season but that's ALL this team needs on the OL.
A 3rd or 4th round OG is a value? Cool. Take him.
But that isn't a need and isn't likely to be a player who plays much.

This is *exactly* right. But good luck getting this crowd to admit they spit the bit, badly, re: our OG play. It's just never going to happen.

But, yeah, we do need another developmental OG in the mid rounds. And I don't like much our options at OT behind Parnell. Not a fan of anything I've seen from Weems, no matter what Broadus has to say about him. But our personnel problems on defense are overwhelmingly more important.

 

[jterrell]

Even if Waters came dirt cheap, a 37 year old guard is not going to be someone you put a lot of stock into performing at a high level, especially coming off an injury.

That said, Bernadeau has played just well enough I can easily see them bypassing the need for an upgrade.

We usually try to plug the leak that is gushing the most water.

Waters has come off injury before, come off his couch before and whenever he has hit the field he has played at a very high level.
The next time he plays poorly will be about the first time.
He made our OL vastly better with his presence and knowledge of the game.
You keep that guy if you can.

Its not about a bidding war since he wants to stay in North Texas. It's paying him 3m to keep him off the couch.

 

[AbeBeta]

We need 2 guards imo

I think we need to draft one -- round 2-3 ish and get Waters for another year. That allows the rookie time to develop and lets us see what we've got in Leary.

 

[TwoDeep3]

The top interior back up is Costa. He's hardly great but he is a better player than we have starting at Safety or LB other than Sean Lee.
I'd like to bring Waters back and I'd be fine with a mid-round value pick at OG.
But the incredulously silly OL focus is a hilarious agenda that has always been misplaced.

We've been investing top picks along the OL and we keep going 8-8.

This team does not need to get bigger, it needs to get better.
Especially covering people.

Did you watch any Dallas Cowboy football during the first half of the 90's?

Or is this your nom de plume, Jerry?

 

[Tabascocat]

Doesn't matter if we had the '90's offensive line(still in a bad scheme), the defense is absolutely putrid. It needs about 90% of the focus in the off-season. Defense wins games unless your QB is named Manning or Rodgers to an extent.

If we draft another TE, I will go ballistic.

 

[Deep_South]

This is *exactly* right. But good luck getting this crowd to admit they spit the bit, badly, re: our OG play. It's just never going to happen.

But, yeah, we do need another developmental OG in the mid rounds. And I don't like much our options at OT behind Parnell. Not a fan of anything I've seen from Weems, no matter what Broadus has to say about him. But our personnel problems on defense are overwhelmingly more important.

Yeah, since this year's D is a legit candidate for worst D in NFL history, it probably could use some attention in the draft.

Be forewarned, though, that Jerry could still be thinking 12 personnel come May, and you just know he wants 6'5" Mike Evans after being torched by tall receivers like Megatron and da Bears Alshon Jeffery this year.

 

[theSHOW]

Need both but the defensive line is more important in the 2014 draft. If they can get Waters back and utilize Free for one more season, they can then work on it in the 2015 draft.

For the upcoming draft, they need to draft all defense with maybe a guard mixed in somewhere.

all defense? lol the defense is fine.

 

[jterrell]

Did you watch any Dallas Cowboy football during the first half of the 90's?

Or is this your nom de plume, Jerry?

Yes I did.
And I saw great play at EVERY position on the field.

Or do you just rewind to the OL close ups for your fetish fix??

 

[Alexander]

Do you just like posting stupid things that aren't even close to factually true?

The Cowboys secondary is ONE expensive player. ONE.
Claiborne is the 25th highest paid CB.
Scandrick is the 29th highest paid CB in football.

Expense and investment can come in different forms, not just the actual salary. Talk about posting stupid things---paying Scandrick the 29th highest salary at his position when he was not even slated to be the starter at the beginning of the season is not ordinary. It just is not something that happens across the league as most, if not all in the vicinity are and were set starters. As for Claiborne, the salary plus he cost an additional premium body to draft is a cost, whether it shows in the balances or not.

Waters has come off injury before, come off his couch before and whenever he has hit the field he has played at a very high level.
The next time he plays poorly will be about the first time.
He made our OL vastly better with his presence and knowledge of the game.
You keep that guy if you can.

Not if you are looking to field a team built for the future. Buying one more year from Waters, even at a high level is not smart. Getting younger and cheaper is the way that most teams that are successful are getting it done. I liked what Waters showed, but that three million will need to go elsewhere, if we were intelligent.

 

[jterrell]

Expense and investment can come in different forms, not just the actual salary. Talk about posting stupid things---paying Scandrick the 29th highest salary at his position when he was not even slated to be the starter at the beginning of the season is not ordinary. It just is not something that happens across the league as most, if not all in the vicinity are and were set starters. As for Claiborne, the salary plus he cost an additional premium body to draft is a cost, whether it shows in the balances or not.



Not if you are looking to field a team built for the future. Buying one more year from Waters, even at a high level is not smart. Getting younger and cheaper is the way that most teams that are successful are getting it done. I liked what Waters showed, but that three million will need to go elsewhere, if we were intelligent.

Sorry but those points are inherently weak sauce.

Claiborne cost picks yes, but so do every starter on the field at CB. Unless there is an UDFA starter I have missed....
Claiborne was not overdrafted.
He just hasn't been dominant YET.

Scandrick is a top notch Nickel guy and those guys can be valued above starters outside.
Scandrick is a top 30 CB in this league.
If he was a free agent this off-season he'd make FAR more money.
Dallas has 3 legit man cover guys.
Those guys cost money.

We badly overpaid for Carr because we were desperate.

But none of that addresses having the lowest paid Safety group in all of football.
All while stupid fans complain we neglect DL for DBs.

Right now this second, EVERY GM in football would gladly take Claiborne off our hands and pay him the remainder of his contract.
Same with Scandrick.

Possibly zero would take Carr and his bloated deal.
But we have 1 overpaid DB on the entire roster.

The answer for this defense Sunday has to be get Mo back on the field and play the 3 CBs we do have in man to man and leave a single high mostly useless safety.
That's what held Philly to 3 points and is our best chance to win games.

As to Waters, again his effect is a plus in actual play but also in a long-term effect on the other guys. He is a hall of fame caliber OG who can teach technique and work ethic to the young guys we have.
No one is more valuable to Frederick.
Pay the man and worry not about OL after that.

You have 100 other holes you can't plug with a single phone call.

 

[burmafrd]

With the needs on DL, I think we probably can only afford to go after 1 OL player in the coming draft; but he needs to be a guard. Only a fool would depend on Bernie with his history of ups and downs; Leary has that knee so we do not know how long he has; and Waters is only a stop gap but one we probably can get away with for one more year.

So one guard this draft and next year try for both a guard and a OT.
I believe you should get 1 OL every year if for no other reason then development

 

[burmafrd]

Sorry but those points are inherently weak sauce.

Claiborne cost picks yes, but so do every starter on the field at CB. Unless there is an UDFA starter I have missed....
Claiborne was not overdrafted.
He just hasn't been dominant YET.

Scandrick is a top notch Nickel guy and those guys can be valued above starters outside.
Scandrick is a top 30 CB in this league.
If he was a free agent this off-season he'd make FAR more money.
Dallas has 3 legit man cover guys.
Those guys cost money.

We badly overpaid for Carr because we were desperate.

But none of that addresses having the lowest paid Safety group in all of football.
All while stupid fans complain we neglect DL for DBs.

Right now this second, EVERY GM in football would gladly take Claiborne off our hands and pay him the remainder of his contract.
Same with Scandrick.

Possibly zero would take Carr and his bloated deal.
But we have 1 overpaid DB on the entire roster.

The answer for this defense Sunday has to be get Mo back on the field and play the 3 CBs we do have in man to man and leave a single high mostly useless safety.
That's what held Philly to 3 points and is our best chance to win games.

As to Waters, again his effect is a plus in actual play but also in a long-term effect on the other guys. He is a hall of fame caliber OG who can teach technique and work ethic to the young guys we have.
No one is more valuable to Frederick.
Pay the man and worry not about OL after that.

You have 100 other holes you can't plug with a single phone call.

your sauce is always weak